Session #16: Joane Goulding and Gary Johnston

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Here’s your host, Jason Lynette. So good to have you back here for session number 16. Here we go with our very first double interview, uh, both of whom from Australia. This great program is here with Joan Golding, as well as Gary Johnston. Uh, I’ve met Joan before actually, uh, at the hip birth in conclave last year.

I’ll see her again, uh, later this week out in Las Vegas for that. Hypnobirthing conclave once again. And I first met Joan, uh, at that event, and that’s when I first began to become familiar with sleep talk. Sleep talk is very interesting. If you’ve read Dave Elman’s hypnotherapy, the chapter on hypno sleep, it’s not quite that.

But it’s pretty close in terms of the theme and the concept, and even some things you might have heard Jerry Kind teach at other points as well, but the direction that Joan has taken, this is just phenomenal. Just a two minute process that parents can do with their children. That’s really easy to learn.

It takes them. Into a daily routine, a daily ritual of building self-esteem and building behaviors. And it’s a program that, um, I’ve personally made use of informs and also had many great success stories that I’ve heard as well. Um, also joining us on this program is Gary Johnston. Uh, Gary’s also both of them, not of Australia and.

Just really fabulous information that kind of takes everything you know about personal change and adds in one more very, very important element as you’re gonna hear Gary talking about specifically the program that he mostly teaches, uh, all about psycho nutrition, All about how the foods we eat are affecting everything that we’re thinking, feeling, responding on that biological chemical, chemical level as.

So just fascinating information. Um, specifically you’ll hear the moment in this conversation about if we were to fold these two programs in, it would make a massive, massive dent in terms of the world of, uh, building up children. You know, I, today was an interesting day in the office. Uh, I had five appointments in the office today, and the last one I kind of got to smile at and say, Congratulations.

You’re the only adult I’ve seen today. Um, seeing mostly. Kids, I mean, teenagers range actually, Well, one was 11 from 11 years old. Up to 17 was my schedule today for various fears, for one, for anger issues, one for, uh, some test, uh, test taking problems as well. And you look at those issues, you look at what’s often going on, and the statement could easily have been made.

Now this is all theory at this point, but to say that. If the right information had been presented before, you know, rather than working in this reactionary mindset, what if the issues had been properly prevented? What if, you know, I describe hypnosis? The best way to paraphrase it is it’s a process of building up what it’s time to build up and letting go of what it’s time to let go of.

What if before there’s stuff to let go of, You can do all the building up phase, and that’s specifically the value of sleep talk and as well as the good information being fed into the mind, the good information being fed into the body as well. So you’re gonna hear all about that in this conversation here with Joan Golding and Gary Johnson here on session number 16.

Go ahead over to work smart hypnosis.com/sixteen. I’m gonna put the links to both of their programs and the different classes. Right there on the site. Here we go. Session number 16, Gary Johnston and Joan Golden.

It’s a very specific program that each of you have, but what’s fascinating to me is the combination of it. Um, so Joan, let me start with you. Share us, uh, an overview of sleep talk. What the process becomes. Certainly Jason. Um, I think basically the easiest way to explain it is that it’s about empowering parents to work with their own children.

And, um, it’s about teaching the parents to work with their little ones while they sleep. And that’s when they don’t answer back, which is always a plus. And I have a three year old at home. I’m appreciating that already, what I’m talking about. That’s fantastic. Um, taking about two minutes of the, of the parents’ time on a consistency basis.

It enables the little one age from about 18 months up to about 12 to 14 years to awaken in the morning with a more positive mindset. So, in other words, the parents are, it’s enabling the parents to change the default programming of I’m not okay, I’m anxious, I’m fearful, I’m messing out whatever the issue is, to a more positive mindset.

And I think one of the strengths is that it also helps to educate the parents with regard to their language because so many times, um, children are, um, parents give their, ask their child to go and see a professional. The professional works wanders with this special one. They then go back into the home environment.

That in many cases has been a contributing factor to the issue. So in this particular case, you are working with both, but the strengths when you are learning as a professional sleep talk consultant, Cause it’s not a therapy, it’s a process. The, um, there’s three levels to the training. And the third level introduces the concept that psycho nutrition could be a contributing factor.

And of course, that’s where Gary comes in. Although I’m, I’m reasonably knowledgeable in psycho nutrition, but don’t ask me any technical questions. I’ll hand it over to the master and, and I share, I chair the quick anecdote that kind of on my own, working with clients, working with parents who are bringing in their kids.

It was that tactic of I could give them action steps, I could give them something to do, but instead to rephrase whatever the issue was as the past. Yes. To begin to shift the words that they’re actually using around the child, which is gonna begin to shift that dynamic as well. Yeah, that’s wonderful. I love that.

Well, I call it happiness. I. Yeah, . Of course, the challenge is as we get the kids to be more happy and productive than the future scope of hypnotist are not invis, but that’s okay. Well, that that would be a fantastic goal, wouldn’t it? It’s a good problem to have. That’s a good problem to have. I think it’s gonna take a long time because we are dealing with one child at a time, but around the world we’ve.

Quite a collection now. I love it. Yeah. And Gary, would you mind giving us a brief overview of the psycho nutrition elements of your work? Um, well, I, I have, I work in two per area. Certainly the psycho nutrition is essential. Um, and the, the work that I do comes out of a long history of specializing in anxiety disorders and trauma and, and depending on the level.

Uh, anxiety disorder. The, the, the amount of anxiety involved, the degree of, of nutritional element in that is also increasing. So on the continuous scale, you can get all the way from generalized anxiety disorder all the way to the schizophrenias. Mm-hmm. . At the extreme end and the biochemical influence in there increases all the way through.

So very, very important for any psychotherapist. Um, and I’m not just talking about, um, psychotherapy, but psychology and, and psychiatrists as well should really know the, uh, psycho nutritional basis of emotional disorders. So that’s, uh, one area that I specialize in. And it, it’s certainly important in terms of the sleep talk component as well, because what we’re finding now is with the diet, especially here in.

Uh, the diet the children are on is causing severe problems in. In themselves, let alone everything else that’s going on. So very important all the way through from the sleep talk component all the way through to what I call NeuroCom, which is the, the adult version of, uh, sleep talk, I guess a non hypnotic program, which again is bad news for hypnotist.

You don’t actually need to produce hypnotic trans to produce very dramatic change in the emotional. So that’s the other part of what I do. And, uh, it’s become, uh, a more than a viable proposition in dealing with all anxiety disorders and behavioral disorders, which is an interesting perspective. What I’m hearing, very often a client would call us as the hypnotist, and the conversation begins with, Here are the things I don’t want to be feeling.

Here are the things I don’t want to be doing. Yet at the same time, to get a more holistic approach to the process of having this knowledge as a part of it, that perhaps, again, even these are the foods we should be eating, these are the ways we should be reacting. There was feedback from someone who I know who recently went through this program or the two of you, and her feedback was, the sleep talk was wonderful.

She was pregnant. She goes, This is wonderful. This is for my baby, and I’m already noticing some interesting change. But when it transitioned to the psycho nutrition side, it was Oh good. That’s exactly what I needed. Sure. So, So when I asked the question of, while this program definitely has hypnotic elements, I love the fact that it’s also something that stands on its own.

How would you say though, for the hypnotist listening to this program, This was something that would adjunct and benefit the programs they’re already offering in their offices. I think there’s, there’s many areas. One of the main things from a marketing perspective perhaps, is that hypnotherapist might have some, or certainly they do in Australia.

Might have some issues actually going in and talking to primary schools and mothers clubs and different groups that would benefit from the sleep talk closer. So they, they would go into the, into these groups, not with hypnosis, because hypnosis still has that sort. Rejection, uh, element to it, whereas it, well, we’re, we’re a culture where the rejection is falling away.

But when we find ourselves talking with a larger institution, Then it’s the whole cover yourself game. And it’s so much easier with something like this. Absolutely. So you can go in with these elements, um, the sleep talk process, the golden process. Oh, how does that work? And that opens up the, the awareness and it op, it reduces the defense mechanisms and they start talking about it.

And they also can look at the nutritional aspect, their non-threatening area. That the academic world, um, is, is not quite so paranoid about. So it, from that perspective, it’s great. Um, most heno therapists work with clients who have family issues and yes, they might not work with the children, but the children are part and parcel of that family issue.

It is the same with Gary, with Psycho Nutri. Yeah, the in, in terms of the way hypnotherapist work, it’s essential to understand that just about every client that walks in the door is coming from an anxiety perspective. It doesn’t matter what it’s for. It’s basically anxiety. And the, the nutritional component of that anxiety can be anywhere from about 50% of the problem to 90% of the problem, depending on the scale of the problem.

So it is essential to know that. And one of the problems with poor nutrition from a second nutrition perspective is that, The perceptions change as you get more and more biochemical imbalance. So, uh, when you’re dealing with somebody, it’s essential to know exactly what they’re feeling and seeing and experiencing the world in.

And that can be totally different to the hip therapist experience. So without that knowledge and understanding and without clearing out that biochemical background, it’s almost impossible to produce a sustainable result with any kind of psycho. Yeah. So again, that more holistic approach to the process.

Let’s address it from all angles. Yeah. Let’s have the ecosystem of the body also support the change that’s being produced by the language, by the techniques, by everything else we’re doing. Exactly. Jason. Exactly. I think the one thing that concerns me the most, For hypnotherapist, Clinical Hypnotherapist is, um, perhaps, how can I say this?

The lack of awareness that psycho nutrition has a contributing factor to the clients presenting issues. And I think that’s, that’s, that’s a little bit sad because the information on psycho nutrition is so profound and is so necessary for every single person walking this planet that if as a professional clinical hypnotherapist you have not been exposed to that basic concept as a contributing factor, then I think that’s, that’s a shame.

Well, it’s similar to the metaphor of you’re working with someone for weight loss and we’re just giving kind of base level suggestions of eat less, move more, feel better yet if it’s but not the underlying issue. Yeah. If you, if you just deal with the presenting effect that the client walks into the room with.

Then I think that that’s a, that’s a shame because if you take away that issue and if you assist that person to, to gain slimness, as I always call it, I don’t like losing anything, um, gaining slimness, then maybe the subconscious mind will put in place something else to replace what’s been taken away, but to combine it all together, let’s address that feeling that’s there prior to overindulging overeating.

Yeah. The other metaphor is we wouldn’t buy the nicest car possible and put the cheapest gas in there if we want everything to run properly. Well, the whole nervous system works on biochemistry. So every emotional component of anything that presents comes from biochemical background. If you don’t get it right, the car’s not gonna run.

So it may be hoping, it’s not a challenge question, uh, but I’d love to get one piece of advice, just a little hint to the program from both of you. What’s something that Jones, someone could start to fold in either working with clients or let’s give an easy example. You’re the hypnotist and you have this client coming in and it’s a child, and the parents are asking what’s a simple thing they could begin to do to support the change?

Just kind of a hint of the program. What’s something that those parents can walk away with in terms of that knowledge? It may basically sum up everything you do in a sentence or two . Okay. It’s about educating the parents with regard to language about suggestion and supporting them with the knowledge that they can change.

That they can change, they can become empowered. They can take away with them an empowerment of a knowledge that they can make the change and help their little one change taking two minutes a night. It’s even not the time that an, that a commercial is on at the television. So all they’ve gotta do is just spend.

Two minutes a night. It’s like, um, a routine like brushing the teeth and it’s about accessing that deep sense of I’m okay for their little one. And it lasts for life. Plant the seeds in the right direction. Exactly. And Gary, what would you say would be a takeaway that’s the hypnotist can begin to make use?

With some of the knowledge that you share? Well, I would suggest that anybody in therapy needs to go away and start googling psycho nutrition, um, and understand exactly what people are putting in their mouths, especially the sugars, the grains, and the dairy, because they’re all very dangerous, the human system.

And that has become the staple of our diet. So anyone that is working in any mental health area needs to go away and Google it and have a really good understanding of, of that component of their practice. Excellent. Well, both. Thank you both so much. All. You’re welcome. Absolute pleasure, Jason. Thanks for the opportunity.

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