Session #31: Seth-Deborah Roth’s Medical Hypnosis – Part 2

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Hypnosis is good for what Algia. This is session number 31 of Medical Hypnosis with Seth Deborah Roth, Part two. Welcome to the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast with Jason Lynette, your professional resource for hypnosis training and outstanding business success. Here’s your host, Jason Lynette. Hey, as you last joined us, I did part one with Seth Deborah Roth, all about medical hypnosis and talking.

IBS and all the fascinating research that’s out there supporting the use of hypnosis to help clients that are going through that specific syndrome. Uh, I wanna reference once again just to bump up their registrations cause I think this is gonna be a great event. Uh, there’s a specific protocol that is referenced within this program and I think the.

Enhancements, the adjustments that have been made to it are just phenomenal and gonna be really beneficial to the hypnotist, the hypnotherapist, the consulting hypnotist, whatever it is you choose to call yourself out there. Uh, and specifically here too, I think this will be of interest to the stage hypnosis as well, to look at the science behind this process, what we now understand within the brain and how things are shifting and how it’s redefining hypnosis as we.

Forward. Just a bunch of really great information you can make use of. So the webinar that’s coming up, again, we’ve made that just a redirect page, work smart hypnosis.com/ibs. Head over to the show notes for this session and you’re gonna see the link there too. I’ll also put a link. To, uh, Seth, Deborah Roth’s, uh, great book, Medical Hypnotherapy and Essential Guide.

She’s actually got that for a really nice, uh, deal on her website over there. Hypnotherapy for health.com. Let’s jump right in part two with Seth Deborah Roth.

So we’ve been spending some time talking about ibs, irritable bowel syndrome, uh, which I have to tell the anecdote of. I used to be very active in network marketing like, uh, Chamber of Commerce or bni, and oddly enough, this would be the one category that I can get up and talk about that on one side of things would.

Get the biggest laugh, perhaps from the group unintentionally, uh, but at the same time would bring me the most number of referrals that day. Um, it, it’s kind of, Sort of a hidden thing that’s actually quite prominent out there. Uh, do you know the figures about how many people, what the percentages are about?

How many people actually are going through ibs? Yeah, I think it’s 15 or 20%. One is five women. Um, you know, the interesting thing is that it’s common, not as common in men, but it is definitely.

life changing for men. I’ve had, oh, one fellow I remember he couldn’t, And, and the diarrhea ibs, in my experience, seems to be more common with men. Hmm. Uh, there was one fellow, he couldn’t get out of his home. He had to, he had a sales job that was conducted from his home because of his i, his diarrhea ib.

Um, this other fellow that my, that I’m thinking of my most current guy, he, again, his dating is, um, really. Negatively influenced, Well, not anymore. He’s getting better, but it was ne negatively influenced by his diarrhea and he couldn’t go anywhere. He, he, you know, he couldn’t go on a boat ride. Um, all these, um, life altering things that go on with people, it’s, um, not talked about.

I remember one gal this. , Oh, this is way, way back in the, in the 1980s. I mean, everyone looked at her. She was beautiful. She was blonde and just, you know, very thin and a model. It turns out she had diarrhea, IBS that nobody knew about, you know? So, um, It’s, it’s way more common than we know. Um, yeah, I can recall.

There’s a client I worked with a while ago that also it was a man and the issue was, and his would kind of ebb and flow in terms of different symptoms of it. Sometimes it would be the constipation, sometimes it would be the diarrhea side of things. The experience of that ruled his life that he was not making any plans.

He would not take vacations. Everything was filtered through the perception of, uh, there, there were some other side fears, which specifically, I mean, we’ve started at first on the fear side of. Things that the initial phone call wasn’t necessarily let’s address these symptoms. It was one of those calls where he goes, I don’t know if you’ve done this before, but his, he, he wouldn’t go into a restroom that was like most public restrooms that are several stalls, one after the other.

It had to be its own separate private room for him. So that was the initial fear, the, the, the apprehension that brought him in. Yet as we. Some change in process with that. Then it became, he was doing some side research on his own. We sent a thing over to the doctor, got it faxed back, and then began working specifically on the symptoms as well, that I, I’d be curious to hear your thoughts on this.

For him, it was almost entirely fueled. Now, action preceded the thought, of course, at first, but it was, as soon as I put something in my mouth, I know what reaction I’m going to have to it. Was that phrase, was that phrase that was writing the entire process. And for him as soon as keeping everything almost really on a surface level, as soon as we started to change that expectation, that was changing his body’s response too.

Mm-hmm. . Yeah. Yeah. That pre, Well, you know, the thoughts are so connected to the bowels. You know, it’s, it’s like, so what comes first? The chickens are the egg, right? Mm-hmm. . Um, but yeah. I also find that most clients for this issue will come to you for its effect that it’s having on their life. They’ve dealt with it for years, and it’s finally, I can’t, I can’t tolerate what’s going on in my life anymore.

I can’t date, I can’t work, um, I can’t plan. And, you know, as I don’t understand. Why the gastroenterologist, the GI doctors, why they don’t just send immediately connect their patients to a hip therapist May, and maybe we just need to get the word out there of what we do. Maybe. Maybe they don’t know that there are hip the.

You know, out there who are in psychologists, so to speak. Um, but I don’t even think they send it to psychologists. And yet all the literature that’s out there, I mean, if you go and you Google, um, the International Foundation for Functional Gastrointestinal Disorders, it has a, you know, within that, the treatment section, there’s a psychological section and it talks about hypnosis.

So why aren’t we getting. All the clients we could ever want. It is so prominent out there ibs. We should, we should be, you know, turning away clients, you know? Um, but I, I don’t get it. I don’t understand it. It’s maybe that the medical field is so into giving drugs. Um, it’s, and, and my argument here is it’s not that the doctors get money from drugs.

Most, you know, my husband’s a physician. Most doctors I know do not get money from the drug companies. You know, maybe every once in a while, in the old days, we would get a dinner, you know, Not enough that you would, you would, you know, change the way you practice medicine in order to get a dinner? Well, there’s so many, there’s so many layers within the ethics now that I can even recall a time that I had some coffee mugs printed with my logo of the business here and I sent one to a doctor who, uh, had sent me a number of referrals and he, he called me up.

It was an interesting phone call cuz it was basically along the lines of, I want you to know, I really appreciate this, but I cannot keep. Because there can’t be any sort of connection that it looks like I’m receiving something as a referral, which he’s laughing at and he goes, When I know you probably paid eight bucks for a couple a dozen of these mugs.

So thank you. I don’t throw it out. Do you wanna come get it? Yeah, and it’s just, it’s that awareness that there’s not as much of that quote kickback, um, that I’m hearing even from doctors that are, I’ve got two chiropractors as a client right now. I’ve got a two couple of physicians as clients right now as two, as two.

And it, it’s a different connotation that I think that most people very wrongly put to it. I point back to a moment. We did, uh, we made use of the hypno birthing protocol for the birth of my son, Max. And I recently then started speaking at their convention too. It’s a great event and I can refer to a time where a friend of ours asked her doctor about doing natural childbirth and she has a younger doctor who’s out of, uh, out of his education recently.

Who, who looks at her and says, I don’t know how to assist you with that. I need to refer you to someone else. So I, I say that not as a overgeneralization, but in many ways I think. And hear the word positively. It’s a situation of ignorance. They don’t know the service that we can provide, and really it’s our responsibility to understand the ins and outs of how we can help these people.

And just, it’s the phrase I keep using. The more we’re all successful, the more we’re all successful to get out there and do good work and spread this awareness. That’s what it takes to really spread this awareness. Yeah, I agree. And you know, as you’re talking, I’m thinking. Oh, we should be talking at the GI conferences, you know, just having a, a hyp and chest and go, Hm, I should, I should contact them about it.

But, you know, one of the things that the hypnotists out there, um, need to be aware of is they must never give a medical recommendation because it will take away any progress that we make. So even suggest to a client what foods. To incorporate or not incorporate is crossing the boundaries and, um, gives us all a bad name.

We’re telling people well stop taking this medication or lower dosage, you know, so, um, but yeah, you know, we should be, as I’m talking to you, I’m going, You should really be talking at these GI conferences, letting them know that there are lay hyp out there. Who, this is what we do a hundred percent of the time.

There’s nothing wrong with talk therapy, right? And, and psychologists who use hypnosis, but this is what we do a hundred percent of the time, you know, So, you know, they can go to their psychologists for discussing the issues and so forth, you know, But when you’re working with, you know, okay, a seven session protocol, you know, and, and let’s, let’s, the other thing that I, I include, And this training that I’m gonna be giving is the flow sheet, because in the medical world, we use what’s called a flow sheet, where you have a person, uh, put down the symptom, the days of the week, and the symptoms that they’re having in the times.

Um, noticing is it, you know, well literally form firm, that kind of stuff. But also, you know, were there, um, certain emotional things going on that day. You know, perhaps that they’re not aware of where when they look at it a week later they’ll go, Oh, I didn’t even realize this. And the other thing that you want them to do is to, um, Put down the strength of their neuro mecal of one to 10 of their symptoms.

You know, if it’s pain or bloating, whatever it is, so that they can see, Oh, wait a minute. I came here seven weeks ago and I was at an eight. Now I’m at a four or five a lot of the time. Oh, I’m making progress. Same thing that you are using in your regular, uh, pain protocol. It’s having people keep track of it so that they can see that, Okay, I’m getting better.

Because the tendency is to, well, I still have this. Mm-hmm. . And sometimes the symptoms don’t go away. Sometimes they do, but if you could get them going from an eight to, let’s say a three or four, they can live their life. It, it also gets the foot in the door in terms of change. That rather than focusing on everything that still needs to be addressed and everything that still needs adjustment, it shifts the focus to, Oh wait, this one thing is doing better.

And you’ve probably had the same experience. Let’s say it’s even working with a client who comes in outside of these medical hypnosis categories that, you know, some of the behavior changes that we’d work with, and the person perhaps come in with a bit of a laundry list of, I need to lose weight. I’d like to quit smoking.

I’m afraid of flying, And they just list off a number of things and. My phrasing is this, that there’s a medical diagnosis of something being generalized, Uh, whether it’s generalized anxiety or generalized, anything of that nature. And my phrase is we can generalize the hell out of a good thing too. That here I am in, this might not be the best immediate business strategy, but I think it’s the better one long term where here’s the one that’s coming in to quit smoking and that’s done, that’s taken care of, and we’re starting to focus on their health.

And almost as a throwaway, I can ask, Hey, what about the nail biting you asked me about before? And it, it’s amazing the number of people who would say, Oh, yeah, that kind of took care of itself. I’m not doing that anymore. Just, just to get the foot in the door of the change that they’re not in a stuck state as they were before.

Yeah, Yeah. And that’s why, you know, um, when I first see people first, you know, the first session I, I discussed that neuroplastic. You know, and, um, it kind of opens the door that okay, change is, can happen. Right? And again, we’re going to increase their belief system. Um, that there’s, I like to, to explain a lot of the physical things that happen in hypnosis, you know, like the MRIs from Stanford and you know, other things.

Cause it kinda takes. The rule, you know, the rules stuff or like ? Yeah. You know, it makes it more real. Oh. Oh, okay. So there’s going to really be some change. Yes, there is going to really be some change. Excellent. Tell you what, well, we’ve got a couple of minutes before we wrap up here. Kind of walk us through, let’s say it’s a client’s first session, and let’s maybe go specific here since we’re talking about medical hypnosis and, uh, addressing ibs specifically with that, uh, webinar you’ve got coming up again, let me mention the, the day and time on that.

Um, Thursday, February 5th, 5:00 PM Pacific Time, there’s gonna be replays of that. Or would that just be okay? Oh yeah. Ok. So, great. So even if you can’t attend at the 5:00 PM Pacific, 8:00 PM Eastern, uh, I go through the same thing with mine, where people go, I’m over here. That’s one in the morning. And the answer is register and get replaced.

Um, head over to work smart hypnosis.com/ibs. That’ll take you to that registration page. Again, it’s gonna be a, a free one hour event. Um, client comes into your office. What’s kind of the overriding goal of that experience for you? What, what’s the experience you want them to take away with the process, specifically with you now?

Are we talking with ibs? Let’s, Yeah, let, let’s, let’s stick with, Yeah, let’s stick within the medical hypnosis category. If there’s kind an overriding theme, if there was an overriding message or even sensation you want them leaving that process with, what would that be? For me, it would be that I want them to know that there is change.

I want them to know that every cell in your body is changing every day, your skin every three days, your stomach lining every seven, your bones every year and a half to two years. So every single cell in your body is changing your thought that there is now medical information out there. Thoughts, stress will even affect the tels of your body, how long you live.

Um, I, I want them to know that change is possible and there’s biological reasons for it, and that our thoughts talk to our body through, um, the. Neurotransmitters and chemicals. It is the body’s language, and some things are conscious and some things are unconscious, and that the brain does not know the difference between reality and imagination.

Your conscious mind knows the difference, but not your brain, and so we can do many. We can talk to the subconscious mind. That is what hypnosis does. This is our playing field. And with that, we can make changes in our life, um, emotionally in our, our body, um, in our responses. Did that make any sense? No, that’s perfect.

That’s perfect. I’d be curious to ask, how much of that sort of educational component do you do, let’s say, It, and again, it’s all hypnosis the moment they walk in the door. There’s a process of suggestion in place, but how much of that would you say you do in more of the intake interview, pre-talk portion of your process, and how much of that would you make use of actually during your process too?

Ah, well, my first session with people is two hours. I call it the super session . And I tell them, you know, there’s, there’s, um, I need to the intake from you. I need to, um, educate, you know, find out what’s going on, find out about your life. I need to educate you about, um, our, talk about the power of words.

And we go through no more tries, no more hopes, no negative. And, and I go through, you know, Physical, you know, the studies at Stanford, uh, neuroplasticity, um, I go through, um, what’s happening has been, uh, as you are forming new neural pathways and the violin sheath, and so I really educate them about the.

Physical things that happen in hypnosis. Uh, the corpus colum, the, you know, it gets super saturated. So the brain literally is more open to suggestion than when you are not in hypnosis. So, so once they understand that that brain is actually opened up and wants the suggestions, it really increases that belief system.

And I say, and obviously you’re here, so you want it to work right? A little osis, right? and. And then the hypnosis process itself, you know, so, um, it comes to a two hour session and also teaching them stress, um, anxiety reliefs, uh, different things to do eft, um, the, to the bilateral stimulation, uh, that Melissa Tears is taught, which is ab absolutely wonderful.

That’s great. But I also give them the information. Of where she got that from. There’s a psychiatrist in LA who deals with O C D. He had ocd and what he found out is when people did this bilateral stimulation that after, you know, for five to 15 minutes a day when they were having OCD symptoms that down the road like a month later and they took another MRI, that the mr, their brain actually changed.

And so when people hear this, They, uh, understand, okay, I need to, I need to do this. I need to practice it and need to make it happen. I need to be part of this change that is going to happen to me. Um, so, you know, so like I was saying, my session is two hour session. Well, I’d reference, everything you just mentioned is kind of into the category of if I have a client who comes in and even if they say it in a positive way, I, I feel the need.

Supplement it slightly, which is the, Well, I really believe in this stuff, and it’s that update of information to say, you look at all the research that we have, we look at all the understandings that we now have, which that’s still growing. You head back to, uh, previous, uh, recording, um, that I did with, uh, Greg Paul Jaic, who’s a neuroscience uh, student and actually works in the lab at University of Chicago.

And it, it’s interesting to hear him make these slight adjustments to say that they’re still doing hypnosis. Uh, research now suggests that if we keep our language in that manner, Allowing for improvement. We’re allowing for change as opposed to this is exactly what this is right now, and this is all it will ever be.

Well, research now suggests this research now suggests that, but that statement of a client saying, I believe in this stuff, or even a person on the phone, I don’t believe in this stuff. I’d respond to that to say that that perhaps is a conversation about 30 or 40 years out of date. With all the research that we have, with all the knowledge that we have, I, I think we’re comfortably outside of that belief category.

I agree. I absolutely agree now. Now it’s about having people accept that, right? I mean, science is proving it, but now the average Joe out there, the average, average person needs to know about this stuff. Right. Um, it’s just fascinating because they are doing so much brain work. My daughter’s in, uh, college in psychology and she’s, um, taking a class with, his name is Koal.

Um, and they’re one of those. Newer people having to deal with autism and, and they are discussing all these, this research and even he says, But this is just, we don’t know what is in the future. I mean, there’s so much brain research going on. It is a newly developing field within itself. You actually, so.

This has been great that that webinar coming up again, Thursday, February 5th, 5:00 PM Pacific, 8:00 PM Eastern. You can find all the details and sign up for [email protected] slash ibs. And I’ll put a link to that in the show notes too. Um, I’ll put a reference to your book there as well. But, uh, this has been great.

Thanks so much. You’re so welcome. Thanks for inviting. Thanks for listening to the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast and work smart hypnosis.com. Hey, it’s Jason Lynette here, just with one last thing. Uh, I’d ask you this question. If your goal is to grow a hypnosis business, Well, how’s business going? If things are really not quite yet going the way you’d like them to go and the way they admittedly should be going?

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