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This is the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast, session number 103. Carl Smith on fast hypnosis. Welcome to the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast with Jason Lynette, Your professional resource for hypnosis training and outstanding business six. Sets. Here’s your host, Jason Lynette. Hey there. Welcome back. It’s Jason Lynette here with an outstanding hypnosis conversation and definitely an inspiring one and one that, uh, when in some different directions that what we typically do that so often this program begins with the superhero origin story, though Carl Smith is a guy from the UK who is best well known for.
Various strategies that are all about rapidly creating some really powerful changes with an hypnosis client rather quickly as well. So you’re gonna hear us interact with the themes of what is it that has to happen inside of the process to get the client to begin to rapidly change. What is it that we can do to satisfy the conscious mind?
As well as the subconscious mind to get the change in motion and in many ways to listen to Carl’s incredible story of what he went through, of what things he has personally overcome to take that and model that style of change for his individual clients as well. So with that, let’s just jump right in.
It’s fast hypnosis. So let’s quickly jump into the content here. This is session number 100 and. Carl Smith on fast hypnosis.
So Carl, the way that usually we kick this off is, uh, with the origin story as to how you got into this. But I wanna start this somewhere a little bit differently with you. Uh, okay. What is it that is the need? What is it that is the natural intention? You notice there’s a lot of preambles to this question.
Uh, what is it about helping people change quickly? , um, or fast to use your terminology, that is much more empowering than the slow, methodical change process. Okay. I like fast change. I like quick change because I’ve been through the, the low, the, the, you know, the slow methodical changes and, and, and listen to some stories about people that have been put through torturous, um, methods.
And, uh, I like doing it fast because what it does does is it shows the client there and then that something spectacular has happened. I like to allow my clients to feel that they’ve had an experience that so, Has happened in my session, rather than popping their eyes open or looking at me to ask me if something happened.
So yeah, that’s the reason I like fast techniques. I like them to have that, that empowerment straight away. Yeah, I shared that, uh, early on. One of the frustrations I had when I first got into hypnosis was that conversation after the hypnosis session, which I now have strategies to, you know, inoculate this before it even occurs.
But the moment where the person’s clearly, let’s say it confused in some way, and they’re going, Well, what should I do now? What should I expect? How do I know this has. Yeah, and there’s something about that more rapid style of a change process, whether it’s bringing in the kinesthetic, whether it’s bringing in the experience of it that gives the person the instant validation.
Okay? Yes. Something is different here. Yeah, I, I love it. And most of my students know, I call it the gandel moment. That, that moment where they think you’re some type of wizard, where they can look at you and they know they’re nodding. They’re already starting to, no, they’re starting to look at you and go, Where?
I can’t find it. Where is it gone? What? What’s just happened, and I love that, love watching people. It, it really does inspire me looking at people and that you get that, that instant change, that spontaneous change as well. Don’t get me wrong, and most of your listeners will know. It doesn’t always happen with everybody.
Right. But I love, I do love that that approach, my approach is go in, Stop the naughty noise and come out as quick as I can and, uh, without too much torturous stuff going on as well, digging up the past and all that. Yeah. I mean, would you, what would be your thoughts on this statement? That it takes, it, it’s that phenomenon of single trial learning.
It takes only a few moments to take on the issue. It may be compounded over time, but it’s kind of the same preposition. We would fall into a fast phobia cure that it only take a few moments to learn this issue. And my phrasing of it would be that it only can take a few moments to learn something different.
I. Absolutely, absolutely. If it takes a few seconds to go in, it can take a few seconds to come out. The compounding issue is, is something that can be changed over time as well. But you know, that whatever happened for that to wire itself up, to go in and, um, and to stay a phobia or fear and anxiety, whatever it may be, it only took a few seconds really to go in.
And so it can take a few seconds to come back out at the same time, you know, and, and given uh, resources at the end of the session and given resources. To, to allow them to manage it straight afterwards is, is, is key to it as well. So you know, it doesn’t manifest itself back. And I’m curious just to hear your response on this, are there certain categories where the conversation we’ve been having so far perhaps doesn’t fit into it?
Are there certain categories of change, as it were, where you found that working towards the rapid change may not be the right. Um, Or does it kinda fit into everything? Yeah. Well, I mean, schizophrenia I’ve kept away from, that’s a personal thing. A lot of people say to me, Oh, well, you should be doing this.
It’s a personal thing for me, schizophrenia, I think that, you know, things like that. People that have, uh, got serious psychosis issues. I, I, I tend to leave those bipolar. I’ve had, uh, great results. Um, Um, it with fast ideas and some not, you know, it’s just hit and miss. But, you know, generally depression, I’ve, I’ve been able to turn around in, in one or two sessions as well.
So it’s dependent really. But I mean, going back to the initial question is, I, I don’t tend to work with schizophrenia, um, and those sort of things and, you know, they’re, they’re an elongated process, aren’t they? So I just tend to leave them. Yeah. Yeah. So then getting into that sort of mindset of that process, are there things that you’re doing.
Even before the session officially begins, and of course as the practitioner, we know the process begins in the moment. They’re aware of us. But is there certain things you’re doing to begin to stack the deck in the favor of the change before the formal process actually begins? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, and as you know, is, is that the process starts for the, for the client.
As soon as they pick up the, the yellow pages, the, the internet or whatever it is that they’re looking for, for support, you know, something internally is told them to come look for us. And, um, that process starts there. But when they do make that contact with me, My, when we agree that we’re gonna work together, because it is an agreement process, some people I do turn away because I feel that they’re not right for me or that, you know, that there’s probably other options.
I pass them onto other people. However, um, if we do agree to work with each other, I do start the process there and then, and start with, you know, just start that process kicking off hypnotic stories, hypnotic stuff over the phone. Really, that’s where I start. So, yes. So by the time they come to. They already started that process in which enables me to then just sign and see it really at the end of it.
Yeah. So let’s remind the story back. What was your experience? What was your story getting into hyp? Uh, my, if the viewers haven’t heard it before, I mean, you know, I did 12 years in the British Army. Um, I served, um, all over the world. I did plenty of things. I’ve been to many sandy places and I’ve been to, uh, places within the UK that, that the UK government sent us to Northern Irelands cost of Rose Bosnia, the conflict that was in Cypress.
Um, That was still ongoing. People wouldn’t know about that. But there, there’s little things like that that I’ve been to, uh, spent 12 years going around the world doing that. And then I became a counter terrorism officer within the I’D left the Army. I then joined the police within the uk. Um, and it’s like, I have to explain is that in the uk um, in America, Canada, and many other countries, you have, um, your police officers are armed.
Immediately in the uk I think, and I may get the statistics slightly wrong here, so don’t batter me those people listening. Um, is that out of 130,000, let’s say UK police officers, only around 25,000 of those carry firearms out of that. It’s only roughly around 5,000 of. Um, offices that are trained in firearms, um, actually go to SWAT standard, uh, to what we, you know, to to dynamic entry level offices.
And that’s where I was. So I left the army, I joined the police, became a SWAT officer for one, a better word, and, um, and then, uh, you know, went through day to day life. But on August the fourth, 2006, Uh, I was sat at home and I was run over by a drink driver and when I say sat at home, I was literally sat in my house when a drink driver decided to appear in through the front of the house.
And, um, literally I went out to assist, initially thought I was assisting, uh, somebody that had lost control of the car and, um, grabbed hold of the car. Realized it was a young, um, young eight, 17 year old lad who had been drinking all day at a funeral. He’d been out drinking, uh, he’d been looking for cannabis.
He’d been looking for cocaine. He, he told us openly in the statements what he’d been up to. And, um, I wrapped my hand around the, around the seatbelt for some strange reason, Wrapped my hand around the seatbelt. And as the car fell down, I got trapped underneath. It was dragged approximately 80 yards backwards.
And then, When he realized he couldn’t get out, he hit me again and had the common decency to take me all the way back home again and left me out the front, which left me with severe, um, leg injuries, back injuries, shoulder injuries, arm injuries, um, minor fractured to the skull, C two C three, slightly damaged as well.
So when people see me running around, had like a headless chickens probably cuz I’ve got more internal damage. But, um, but no. That happened, um, my body started to fix and after 18 months, um, I started to come off the Tramadol and the Pregabalin painkillers and all that, you know, high, high end painkillers.
And what happened then is, is this horrid little creature called post-traumatic stress. Mm-hmm. came in and, um, like I’ve mentioned to many people before, it was, it was like this horrid creature really starting to come out. It was horrid and, uh, you know, lack of sleep. Um, Uh, frustration. There was numbness devoid of any human contact, really.
And, you know, with my partner at the time, there was nothing, I had nothing to give. Um, I, I didn’t think, you know, at the time I didn’t realize myself, it was actually happening to myself. It was others that were watching. And as I slightly came off the Tralo and Lin more and more as my body fixed it was.
Quite apparent that the post-traumatic stress was, was becoming a demonn itself. Um, and what happened was it just became more and more volatile until, until eventually I started, um, sneaking Tramadol and Pregabalin into Jack Daniels in first thing in the morning to try and numb that internal dialogue, that naughty noise, that monkey noise, that thing that was going on.
Horrid, horrid things. And, um, So, anyway, moving on slightly is, uh, about six months after I’d gone back to work. So we’re talking about, you know, 18 months, two years down the line. Um, a colleague of mine said, Carl, you’re not right. I said, Yeah, I never have been. So, uh, as most people know, het live, I’ve never been.
Right. Anyway, but the thing is that the, uh, the, he just said, You’re not right. You’re not, you know, you. You’re not you. What’s wrong? You are happy. Go lucky. Now you are very straight laced, very aggressive, very quickly to turn on people. And um, I said, I just dunno. And he said, How would you like to know some more about hypnosis?
Know it. Go, go away. It was like, get out of it. The last time I saw anyone under hypnosis, they were trying to get rid of a square egg and, you know, thought they were trying to do this, that, and the other. . Uh, and, and I thought hypnosis was only funny. And, and then he educated me, which is what I love doing now, educating people on hypnosis is, um, he, he taught me how to do certain things.
He did some hypnosis on me, and after one session with him, it dramatically, dramatically changed my life. I cried for, for probably nine hours, eight, nine hours. There’s some people that are listened to this, that were there that day when it actually happened, um, in the uk. And, uh, I cried. I. And I was drinking beer.
Funny enough, I was drinking beer. You wouldn’t believe that, would you, Jason? I . And, um, while I was drinking this, drinking a lovely point of English, hail, um, I was crying and laughing at the same time. Mass. Mass, a reaction mass. You just can’t, can’t, I can’t even quantify you just laughing and giggling the next minute, just crying and.
What was apparent is everything that I’d experienced in my military, my policing, and the road traffic collision that I was involved in the road, the accident, sorry, that I was involved in, had slowly started to pop out. Like a pressure cooker, a mass pressure cooker, like somebody had started to lift that heavy weight off and allow the steam to come out.
And that is exactly the way that I do things. And from that day, that is why people see the. As in me, in the way that I do hypnosis and love educating people because it’s, it’s very key to me to show people how powerful this stuff can be, and if you are in a dark place, that you’re not alone and it can be fixed.
That’s where my passion comes from, Jason. That that’s, that’s, that was me really, That’s how my rope to this started. So then based on that experience, based on the work that you’ve done with your clients over the years, there are some who would say that there’s no value in digging up the past event.
There’s no value in quote, dragging them back through the mud of, um, the, the, a reaction of the emotional states or even some of the past to the past events. What would be your response? . I am not one for taking people back to past events. I never will do. Mm-hmm. . Um, if, you know, it’s, it’s something that I don’t need to do.
Um, you know, you, there, there are many different methods. I found my methods where I don’t have to, uh, take people back all the way back and relive that. If somebody said to me, I don’t, and I don’t want people to find, get offense in this. But the reason I’m not a big fan of counseling, um, and that type of talk therapy is because when I did go through counseling for what I went through, he did exactly that to me.
Mm-hmm. , he attempted to take me through some terrorism things that I’ve been through whilst I’ve been in the military. He also tried to attempt to. Uh, get me to relive tumbling continuously underneath a car, listening to my bones crunch, which isn’t fun, you know? And why, why would I wanna do that? Why would anybody do that to anybody?
And that’s why I’m very much, I deal with the person that sat in front of me. Um, and, and I deal with the, the emotions and the things that are going on there. And then, um, and I get down to the root cause, but in a very, very, very, um, you know, softly, Rather than very direct. Um, yeah. So yeah, I don’t need to, I deal with the person there and there.
I don’t drag them through the mud. Yeah. Yeah. So if anything, it’s more dealing with that emotional state and by doing so, that’s gonna then trigger back and do that cleanup for you. Yes, absolutely. And I find that by clearing up the emotion states and by removing that emotion, I mean, it’s like people, when, when I’m always doing my courses, Joseph, it’s, it’s, people always say, Well, you know, how’d you get rid?
I will never, ever get rid of what I witnessed when I was in the military. Never. I will never get rid of the night on the fourth 2006 when I was run over. However, I, I remember them and I remember the things now very clearly. However, the emo and the emotion that goes with them has completely gone. The rawness, that horrid rawness that went with them as well was now, God, it’s completely gone.
And that’s what I worked with. We never, You can’t erase the memories like that, right. No, you can’t. There’s no point. But it’s the emotion that I deal with. It’s that, that rawness that I, that I love to, to show people that we can change, you know? And it’s like, I always say to people as well, that the worst day of my life was the best day of my life.
If I haven’t been run over by a drink driver, I wouldn’t be sitting here talking to you. And you’re great listeners. Now, would I, So. It’s about how I can talk about it now. And yes, great time’s, a great healer, but I did find that that night, two years afterwards, by changing those emotions was the way that I love working.
That’s the way I love it. Yeah. And I share, this kind of goes back to some of the themes you had brought up a few moments ago that, uh, one of the mindsets that I bring to working with a client would be that everything is an. Everything is something that we can now work with and, uh, without addressing.
There’s different policies, there’s different regulations, there’s different ethics over here, of course, but here’s the guy who came into my office at one point. I’ve told the story here before, but he walks in with the story that I smoke because I’m bipolar and basically by way of a bit of slight of mouth, he’s walking out now.
And because I have this issue that sometimes needs my attention, it’s every reason why I never need to smoke. Yeah. So it it’s utilizing that as a resource. As a strategy, which to his credit, he was there in my office specifically looking to deal with the stop smoking issue. Yeah. Yet it, it’s this place of.
What if that event was every reason why that you can now do this as opposed to every reason why you can’t. Here’s a day, a couple of months back where my two morning appointments were two guys who came in with the same exact story yet with different results, you know? Yeah. One was, Well, now that I’m retired, it’s gonna be so easy to lose weight.
Yeah. Uh, I can cook for myself, I can exercise, and the other one’s going well. Now that I’m retired, it’s gonna be really hard to lose. Yeah. And do you know what? And that’s when I, when I obviously in a session when people know about me and people come listen to that story about me and what I’ve been through in life, it’s about using that to use it as a, as a jump up.
As a step up onto another. It happened for a reason. You know, I didn’t wanna go down too many routes down here, but you know, that day when I was run over, I wasn’t happy in life. And things changed for me that day. And it’s, it’s. How you, how your perception changes on it. It’s, it’s the way that you deal with it.
Um, I deal with a lot of people, and you may as well Jason and a lot of listeners as well, that people come in and think it’s doom and gloom just because they’re being involved in an incident. But I, I tend to use that incident as. As a leap off point, as a right. That’s the, this happened for a reason. How are we gonna turn it into a positive mm-hmm.
And there’s always positives that can come out. Negatives. There’s always more positives to be brutally honest than there are negatives that come out situations. And that’s, that’s why I teach my clients when they come through the door, giving ’em those resources, given ’em the ideas and, and reframe tons of, reframe on everything really, like you’ve just said.
So, and he said bank, giving them resource. So let’s jump into the office then. Someone’s coming into your space, they’re gonna work with you. What’s kind of that experience that they’re about to jump? It’s a whirlwind is carnage. I think most of them need therapy after they’ve left. Um, I, I’m, You, you know what, like Jason, a lot of people as well do, is that I’m, um, of the opinion that I don’t need to do a lot of closed die therapy.
I don’t, when, when I’m doing my hypnosis, I do a lot of rituals and stuff like that. Um, but a lot of the work is done prior to meeting myself going into those ritual. Um, hypnosis, inductions. Um, I do a lot of work prior to that. A lot of, you know, work, talking to them, reframing, doing what I need to do, um, and getting them ready.
And then when I need to, when I, when I’ve made the change work, I then go into amplification by using hypnosis. That’s the way I do it. And, um, you know, giving them the experience, whether it be I’m taught, you know, like most of us in eft, tft, other tipity tab things and hypnosis and other things that have gone on.
And, and it’s about using those resources as well. So when they come to me as an experience, so at the very end they go, Okay, now what happened there? So it’s really rapid change work and, and when they come in, I hardly sit my clients down. A lot of people ask me that as well. I hardly sit my clients down.
We’ve got lovely leather chairs in the office. I don’t use them. They’re always standing up. Most of my work is standing up to give that experience. So when they do go, when they do leave, it’s. There is shock on some people’s faces to be brutally honest. Um, I’m very direct. I’m very, um, I’m very harsh as well, but people love that.
If people want softy, softy and they want to go listen to whales, windy staircases, and other stuff, then you can go find somebody else cause you ain’t getting it with me. It’s very direct, it’s very dynamic and it’s very in your face. But do you know what? It works and that’s why I attract people because it’s there and there and people, people know that they’re gonna get something at the very end.
There’s something that I’d share that kind of goes along with that, that, um, the style you’re describing is one a little similar to how I’d work with people that I love the experience of. They come into the office and they see what they expect in terms of, oh, there’s the big black recliner, there’s the, uh, the dim lights, there’s the candles that have never been lit, uh,
And instead it’s the, Okay, great. Now. Wait, what? Yeah, Which is kind of throwing them off that equilibrium that anybody who is interacting with this, who has ever worked with, let’s say more than a dozen clients, it, it’s not a skill that has to be taught. You know, that moment where the client is a passive participant in the experience.
Yeah, Yeah, that’s right. And it’s about snapping out of that. It’s about snapping into that active strategy so that they’re the one in the change process as much as you. Yeah, I mean, you know, when we were, we were discussing this, um, the other day on, on, uh, one of the, one of my courses is about about the, the two of you being in the same state or in a similar state.
And, and I always look at it when I’m, when I’m going, when I’m using hypnosis or I’m using any ch change work. Is that I develop my state first and then I drag them along into that, and then we get that structure, we get that change going at the same time. And, and that’s key to it as well, is about me being in a, in a, in a trancey state, in a, into, into a state.
Not, not hippie fire, I don’t mean not, you know, doing, putting flowers and whales and all that type of stuff on, but getting myself prepared, ready to do it, and then getting them into trance and then taking ’em on a mystical, magical journey. And a lot of therapists think that they do the change. I, I firmly don’t believe it myself.
I’m merely there to facilitate and push them in the right direction or, or could jole them or, or, or get them to do it. I don’t do it as a therapist, my personal opinion, I don’t do anything. I, I’m there merely just to push and, and guide them into a certain way. They’re doing all the change work. I merely just allow them to do it.
And then, and then they have the resources to back for if they’ve removed, uh, trauma, post trauma or anything like that, they have the resources to change it, not. Uh, they have the resources, so I just merely could jol it and get into the right place. So then as you’re working with somebody, how many times are you typically seeing.
Post trauma normally once, uh, you can call it whatever label you want on that. I’ve seen, uh, labels like po Most people know that I am not a fan of the word post-traumatic stress disorder. Yes. If you look at wi Wikipedia disorder means broken toilet door. Well, I was never a broken toilet door. And you know, you know what it’s like as well.
You know what it’s like most, most clients as well when they’re given a label and I understand labels and I respect labels. The reason that, you know, when, when they, they’re given, The label off the gp, the doctor, the physician, whoever it is. When they go away, they go research it. And when they go look at disorder, it does come up on Wikipedia’s toilet door.
So that’s why I don’t use it. , you know, it’s about, about, you know, just doing it as quick as I can really and just change, change, work as quick as I can. Post trauma, normally one session for me. Lots of reframe, lots of fast dynamic stuff. So normally one or two session weight loss is the only one I take the time with to be brutally honest.
Mm-hmm. , what about weight loss Is, uh, the reason why you do do it? . Um, I think it’s, and I hate to use it. There’s more coaching involved. Mm-hmm. , it’s more guidance, There’s more, um, you know, just going along and, and helping with, and, and just monitoring what they’re up to, giving that extra support. I’m not really one for weight loss, to be brutally honest.
Um, and smoking as well. I’m not one for that either. You know, I can do them, however, they’re not really me. I’m most, I’m mostly a post trauma anxiety, stress type person. I will do the weight loss, but the weight loss is more of, um, you know, more to help them support than guide them and just tweak what, what we’ve done previous sessions.
Yeah, I share that. Weight loss is the similar category for me. That it, it’s, I look at stop smoking, I look at removing fears. I look at removing trauma as something of a binary change. It’s either a one or a zero. It’s either on or it’s off. And with the weight loss, they’ve gotta keep eating, they’ve gotta keep responding to the world around them.
And in many ways, it’s, um, and I say this given my own personal changes over the years, that it’s, it kind of goes back to that label that they’ve been stuck in a model of, because. Yeah. That, Well, because this is this way, this is just how I eat. Yeah, yeah. When it’s about swapping out every one of those becauses for a different outcome.
Yeah. And, and the thing is as well with weight loss I’ll found is, is that with the emotional detox, my, the first everything that I do with weight loss is an emotional detox, and it’s quite surprising and emotionally listeners may have noticed this as well, is you do a damn good emotional detox and make them feel bloody mildest about themselves in that first session.
The rest of it all just falls into line because I’ve had clients go, You know what, Carl, We’ve any had one session, but I feel bloody marvelous about myself. So the weight, I don’t care about the weight anymore. I actually feel good about myself when I look in the mirror. I feel great and, and that’s exactly what I like doing with everybody.
Just making them feel absolutely. You know, great about themselves in that one session, and then the change will pop up. And it’s same with weight loss. That first session is really the fundamental foundation of everything that you do, really. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So then, a longer journey, um, being the side of the hypnosis client, yourself, getting into it from there, at what point in the adventure did, uh, you becoming the trainer hop into all of it?
Oh, well, I stopped. Well, I, I was very lucky because most of your listeners would’ve. Uh, heard of Jonathan Chase within the uk. I’m sure you have Jason as well. Yeah, and um, when I, when I, I went to one of them Sausage Factory. I love calling them Sausage Factory , um, um, training schools within the United Kingdom who didn’t give a monkey’s backside about me.
They took 10 months of my time, gave me a certificate that wasn’t worth wiping a backside on. Sorry, listen, listeners, , but they. Certificate. There wasn’t a lot. And even though I knew Sigma Freud’s inside leg measurement, I didn’t actually still know how to, uh, hypnotize anyone or test. Um, and I went to see John Chase, who, um, who uh, who did a two day course at the time, and it completely revolutionized the way I did things.
It completely changed the way that I’ve been taught over the past 10 months and, uh, on this course. And, uh, I started working with John, and me and John struck it off and eventually, um, John asked me to go work with him and do some work with him over there doing some training work, well, assisting him on his training packages, which then led me on to develop.
Um, after John, John went away and did his thing. And then about two years later, I went away and did my thing. And, you know, it just developed from there. I developed my own strategies, my own ideas, my own techniques, uh, philosophies, and, you know, just that way really. And so, I’ve been in hypnosis now what, for eight years.
And I was under the guidance of John for, what, two years. So yeah, it, it was a great journey and it gave me, you know, working with John, gave me a great, great standing then going, working with other trainers and, um, developing my own thing. I’ve always been a trainer, to be quite honest, Jason, all the way through my military career.
So to be quite on a standard front and Gobbing off doesn’t really and, uh, so, uh, it came natural. But no, it was a great journey. Yeah. Is there a story that kind of stands out of, not necessarily you working with a client, but the experience of having a student emulating the results, A student being able to replicate these results, that stands out for you?
As in, have I got students that are going out there doing my work at the moment or doing what I’m doing? Yeah. Either of that nature or anything else. Well, it’s funny actually, cuz we’ve got, we’ve, you know, it’s like with kinetic shift and stuff like that. It’s, it’s a technique. It’s nothing new. It’s about modalities and speed and that.
We’ve got our own little private group and every day, every day the, the little shifters, we call ’em little shifters, little shift is shifter, just called workers. You win . My, my, my little shift is they’re everywhere and they’re always doing stuff. We’ve had, you know, even today we’ve had stuff with post trauma people, with ticks and it’s, it’s amazing.
Really. That these people were in the same sausage factory as I was eight years ago. Mm-hmm. , I think it was that, remember eight, nine years ago. They’re in the same sausage factory. They’ve been to me and they’ve, we’ve revolutionized same way as John did with me, revolutionized the way that, that I worked.
Uh, and they work and um, and they’re coming up with these great stories now and post trauma being dealt with in one session rather than 12 and 15 and dragging some poor bugger through, you know, another trench or another incident or something like that. So, yes, um, with the feedback we get in our private group, we’re, we are getting some great stuff and, and that’s really inspiring.
It’s lovely to watch and some of the re some of the people that are listened to this, um, you know, if, if you’ve got anything. That you wanna share with Jason and those people that are listening to this podcast, Throw it on the bottom and the comments, uh, little shifters out there. So, um, it, it can be maybe caught something else then, but, um, but yeah, the, um, but yeah, there’s some great stuff that goes on, Jason.
Brilliant. I love it. I love it. So, the hypothetical question that of course would never absolutely happen in any way, shape and form, but it’s fun to ask. Uh, you are now stranded on a deserted island and you were forced to only make use of one change strategy. Yeah. Uh, what would that. , Yes. We all tend to work in this client centered model of dealing with what emerges and responding to the individual.
But if we had to really nail it down and say, You have one technique for change, what would that be for you? Bob, Burn Swan. Why is that? Just come up , but burn swamp. I, I think it’s quite intrigued in that little thing there. Yeah. It’s, uh, woo woo and, uh, I think I, I think I like using that t. If I, if I was stuck and I needed the change, I’d use a swan.
Outstanding. Outstanding. Have you used it? Have you met Bob? I have. Bob’s been on this, uh, program and, uh, I’ve, uh, hung out with him out in Vegas a couple of times now. And, uh, yeah, he’s been on, he’s been on this show. And You haven’t been shot down. I . He was on before you, so. Oh. Sorry, Bob. No, but no, I, I think if, if I was to take anything with me, I think it would, I like Bob’s swan technique, actually.
I do. It’s got a bit of woooooo, bit of hypnosis and a bit of, um, a bit of, bit of everything in it. I love it. Yeah. I love it. That’s fantastic. So then, uh, what are, what are you working on these days? Well, um, I’ve got new trainers coming through. Uh, I’ve got people from about eight or nine different countries that would like to come work with me and be my trainer, uh, and take, um, UK Hypnosis Academy around the planet to where they are to deliver one and two day packages.
So that’s the, the bit that’s going on at the moment. We’re also, Um, working on some ideas to accelerate the confidence of young hypnotists. There’s too many, and I, I’m gonna say it again. There’s too many big in you, especially in the UK being bumped out in all sausage factories and offered, you know, the known world when we know it’s hard, it’s, it’s not easy in this industry.
Mm-hmm. , Um, and the, you know, they. A mis package to be honest. Yeah. So my job is, and my, what I want is I go back to the call that used to sit there, um, with a book in his hand going, um, um, is my hand stuck to this surface? Um, do I close my eyes? Do I open my eyes now reading a book? And they, they’re the type of people that we’re seeing at the moment, and I want to really, really push some of.
That confidence into ’em, whether it be street impromptu, um, you know how to get out there, how to deliver themselves, how. how to engage with the public because we, what we tend to forget hypno therapists is we are on the other side of the fence or therapists. One better way of saying it is that therapists tend to forget about what it was like, not to know what hypnosis is.
So I love teaching people how to go out to the masses, to the general public and educating. And that’s my, my next task is, um, we’ve ignited my new course. Ignite is to. Therapists to go out and engage with the public more than what they are and, and express and tell people what hypnosis is more than just some stage gimicky thing like I did when, when I first got introduced to it.
Well, is it a, is it a confidence issue? Is it a strategy issue? Cuz yes, there’s a common concern, uh, and I, and I share this statement, I’ve said it here before that, uh, I’ll, I’ll take the compliment of this, but there are many people who are training hypnosis that when they get to the business module, they’re pulling up my videos.
And yeah, I, I’ll take that as a compliment. The, the number of times over the years that I’ve had someone call me and say, Hey, I’m really not seeing that many clients, and it’s kind of hard to break even with this. How are your classes going? Is that profitable for you? And my answer is, For everything you first said.
That’s why I’m not gonna answer your second question, uh, because I want them, my, my branding of it is I want them to be that hypnotic worker. They’re, you’re just like you, you’re seeing clients, you’re teaching the classes, and I’m sure there’s a constant refinement of what you’re even sharing because you’re still there doing the work too.
Yeah, Yeah. So is it, is it a confidence issue? Is it a strategy issue? Is it somewhere in the. I, I, it’s, it’s in the middle, mate, because what we’re seeing at the moment is a lot of people, when I’m, when I’m doing like rapid inductions, instant inductions and things like that, they, they seem to think I’m some type of gand, most of them
It’s like, what the, what is that? What is he doing? How is he doing it? And that’s the bit that they’re missing. They’re missing that confidence. Mm-hmm. . And to coin a phrase that I did here is Tism. Yeah. You know, it’s about osis and about people hoping to God that the client has gone into some altered state.
When you know, we can disprove that by just doing it revised open techniques. And it’s teaching people that it’s not that sitting in the reclining chair listening to whales, doing funky things in the back. It’s about, you know, it’s about getting people to, to understand what hypnosis really is and then how to deliver themselves.
And about standing on a stage, not necessarily in front of three, 400 people, maybe just like, um, Avon or something like that, you know, in just on a lady’s night where they, you know, or gens night where they can show and demonstrate hypnosis to, to new people and educate people. And it’s about how to deliver it.
So it’s not only just the confidence issue, it is about the business. So getting ’em to go out there and engaging with new people, with new clients. And, uh, new people like that. So yeah, it’s, it’s gonna be a, a package around that really. So, the perfect timing now that we’ve, uh, officially been recording for about a half an hour, uh, how would you define hypnosis?
Not a state of eyelids, . Um, hypnosis isn’t a state of eyelids. I, you know, my personal opinion is we’re always in the state of hypnosis it. Case of hypnotist. I take people at h HESIs, that’s the way that. That’s the way I look at it. I firmly believe that I take people outta hypnosis, um, and an olded state.
And I mean, I’ve been quite privileged in the past couple of weeks to be working on Sky tv, um, doing a documentary on hypnosis and hypnotherapy for them on two shows, um, two hour long programs, and we’ve had access to fmri and it’s, it’s really intriguing that, you know, that just pattern of language and, and just.
Simple ritualistic inductions as well can cause those spikes and that amazing change within and that state at the same time, which is great. So an state not, not state of islands, I dunno. I like that. I like that. Uh, I keep coming back to the phrase about learning that so much of hypnosis is learning on one side.
Yes, the hypnosis strategies, but also when to do things that are just simply hypnotic in. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Which again, they’ve walked into your space and suddenly you’re doing the work and the both of you are still standing up as opposed to, um, I’m really curious to explore what it is you’ve got against whales, uh, but whales, why staircases and, and, and washing noises.
Yeah. It’s just, I don’t do any of that. You’d love my phrasing on that, which is that, uh, the school that would. You make use of a lot of music and the school that would make use of a lot of imagery. The phrase I keep coming back to, you always have to remember that your dream location is someone else’s nightmare.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And um, I think I’ve, I’ve think, you know, I’ve, the reason I’m, I’m very. Key to dimension about whale. You know, whales making noises in the background waterfalls and windy staircases is because I’m not that visual. So when I’ve been to hypnotist before and hypnotherapist before in the UK and they talk to me about, oh, and as you just go down the windy staircase, I’m like, what the.
I d what you wanna about. I, I genuinely don’t get it. It really interrupts me. Whereas if somebody’s really dynamic and really, uh, and, and does things and just lets me get on with it, I am at peace. That’s leave me alone. Drop me in, leave me there and let me do what I’ve gotta do. That’s the best way for me.
I share similar experience that there’s a time where I’d, I’d actually gone to hypnotist myself to work on something. Yeah. And it, it’s not too. The technique, but here they were doing this progressive muscle relaxation and we’re there for five minutes talking about my elbows. Mm-hmm. , I’ve gotta think about the client who’s in the chair going and let’s assume maybe it is a pain relief client.
Uh, okay. Yeah. But I’m here about my leg and she send that relaxation down throughout your elbows. Okay. I know that’s nice, but remember the leg, Okay, , Which it, it’s that experience that. Yeah. Yes. Metaphor, yes. Storytelling, yes, imagery. These are all viable strategies in the right moments at the right time.
Uh, but I can even point to as much as there’s categories where I may be in that storytelling mode with the client, they may leave in their thinking or their saying to me, That was nice, but what did that have to do with my public speaking? Yeah, and you gotta go in and it, it, it’s the phrase that you’ve gotta satisfy the conscious mind as much as the unconscious mind.
Yes, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. So what do you have coming up next? Uh, well, Mr. Scott Sand is, uh, invited me over to California. Uh, so I’m gonna spending a couple of days with his good self over with Scott. Um, then I’m going over to see, um, um, Mr. Mandel over in Toronto, so I’m gonna be working with him. Um, I’m just back from Dubai actually.
I’m literally only just, I’m still packing. I have clothes scattered all over the place cause I’ve been with, uh, Barrel Coma in Dubai. Um, then we’ve got, uh, courses throughout Yankee k we’ve got diploma course coming up. I’ve got trainer trainers coming up. I’ve got, then we’ve got Las Vegas coming up and then we’ve got the UK Hypnosis Convention.
And I really can’t figure out how many hours I need more in a day to be brutally honest on. Yeah, see, it’s nonstop. Every, every month I’ve got at least two or three courses running or I’m on courses cause it, I’ll never forget that. It’s always great to go away and learn other people’s methods and be and appreciate, um, other people’s and not just getting swamped up by carl smith.com.
So, um, um, it’s always nice to go away and do that and, and probably I might squeeze a little holiday in there for myself somewhere, I don’t know. Outstanding. And we’ll link to these over in the show [email protected] though. In the meantime, where can people find you? If they go to the uk hypnosis academy.com, uh, uk hypnosis academy.com.com, you can have a look at me there.
And if you’re interested, I even do free lessons on YouTube. So if you find UK Hypnosis Academy on YouTube, there is probably about 63 different rapid instant inductions. Other techniques that I use, um, that are all broken down step by step for the layperson, they’re for season therapists or, um, all the newbies out there.
So, yeah, you know, get me. Outstanding. It’s been wonderful having gone. Mate, it’s been an absolute pleasure and it’s always great to work when you know that, so, um, no doubt. We’ll push up the alligator bar when we’re at. Hit my thoughts live.
Jason Lenette here once again, and as always, thank you so much for your feedback. Thank you so much for your interaction with this program and what I really enjoyed about having this time with Carl is that Carl is a guy who truly is a hypnotic worker. What I mean by that as always is that person who is actively out there seeing clients, really doing the work, and also at the same time teaching others how to replicate that success as well.
It, it’s not just this one side of things to be just the trainer, to just be the practitioner, but to walk the talk and talk the walk and all iterations there as well. And to learn more about my program that I’ve titled Hypnotic Workers Head over to Hypnotic Workers. Dot com. That’s the entire digital access to my Hypnosis for change training library.
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