Session #132: Richard Nongard on Thinking Bigger

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This is the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast, session number 132, Richard non Guard on Thinking Bigger. Welcome to the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast with Jason Lynette, your professional resource for hypnosis training and outstanding business success. Here’s your host, Jason Lynette. It’s time to level up your thinking.

Hey, it’s Jason Lynette here with a content packed session once again with Richard non guard, joining the outstanding ranks of previous work Smart Hypnosis podcast guests who were on for the second time, forgetting they were on here the first time. Let me now go cry quietly in a room, in a corner by. All right, I’m back.

Uh, I reached out to Richard specifically, uh, to be here once again or for the first time, but hey, who’s counting specifically on the theme of thinking Bigger? There are some projects that Richard’s had in the works recently and number of trainings that I’ve done out in Las Vegas. He and I have been able to hang out a couple of times and just to be around somebody.

Who truly is thinking differently about how we approach most of this work. So in this session you’re about to interact with, in this conversation, you’re gonna hear some themes in terms of how we can better serve our clients, how we can better model the. Thinking of the pioneers of this hypnotic profession.

And then on top of that, how we can adapt our own thinking to begin to serve our businesses and grow our own success. And not just help our clients, but also to help ourselves step into that peak performance state of mind ourselves. A quick side note, we get into the topic of the experience of watching a real client session, and that’s why inside of my training program, hypnotic workers, you get real access to real client sessions from start to finish.

Virtually from the moment of walking in the room to walking out of the room, and on top of that, these sessions have been transcribed for you to model the thinking and learn from as well. You get the full access pass to my digital hypnosis training for just $47 a month. Learn more at hypnotic workers.

Dot com. And once again, I’d also point you over to Richard’s incredible website, subliminal science.com, all sorts of training resources, and that’s where you can learn about his upcoming trainings and offerings and workshops and everything he’s got out there as well. So there’s a ton of content. Let’s jump directly into this one.

Here we go with session number 132, Richard non Guard on Thinking Bigger.

So when you mention expert hypnotist, what’s behind that? What’s the thinking inside of that? Yeah, we learn a lot of techniques. We learn a lot of different, uh, induction styles. We probably study different protocols. For example, I teach a three session protocol I call the Quit Success Program to help hypnotist help clients to succeed at becoming non-smokers.

But the difference between a person who is a good technician who can do the methods or the techniques correctly, and the expert is somebody who’s added two elements. One of those elements is intuition. They intuitively can guide a session. They can seamlessly, because of their intuitive spirit shift from one approach to another approach because it’s in the client’s best interest.

This is something that the hypnotist really commits to their own subconscious processes. I, I remember when I first started seeing clients in hypnosis, I had to think about what I should be doing next. And as I have over the last 30 years, I think moved into the expert level, it’s. Intuitive for me, those shifts are seamless.

People ask me all the time, what’s the best way to move to an expert level to be intuitive in your hypnosis? It isn’t just about personality. I think our personalities play a role in how likely we are to be intuitive or expert, but I think also getting good feedback. So, For me, I probably did hypnosis for many years before anybody ever actually saw me do a hypnosis session and then gave me feedback about the way I was doing it at conventions or seminars.

We have that opportunity to do demonstrations maybe with a partner or you know, maybe you know, as homework or something like that, but to actually. Have somebody sit down at the beginning of the pre-talk, a third party, and actually give you feedback about your cadence, your rhythm, your style, your intuition, your techniques, how you structure suggestions, and all those things makes a huge difference.

It can move somebody rapidly. To an expert level. So then that, that’s an interesting mindset that the premise of teaching that intuition. So would you say that really comes from getting that hands on experience in terms of here’s what’s working, here’s what you can improve though on the other side, how much of that can be actually gained by really getting the experience of watching real client sessions actually take.

Well, I think it’s great for us to be able to watch real client sessions actually take place. Unfortunately, there aren’t a lot of places where we can actually get case studies of real client sessions. Yeah, probably the closest most of us get to is listening to the hypnosis MP3 recordings of others to see how other experts in our field, uh, structure suggestions.

So I was actually doing that this morning. I was on YouTube and lots of hypnotists put their complete sessions on YouTube and. I was listening to probably about four or five of ’em, and a couple of ’em were horrible. And, uh, one or two was really excellent and, uh, and, and it’s great to be able to do that.

The way I’ve been doing it is here in Las Vegas, I’ve been offering a live masterclass, but it, it, it’s not a masterclass that, That we normally think about in terms of, you know, here’s all the advanced techniques that Richard thinks you probably didn’t know. Really, it’s a masterclass that’s designed to be experiential.

I begin in the first hour by doing a complete hypnosis session so they can observe me doing a complete hypnosis session. But then I have everybody who’s participating guide another person in front of the room through a complete session, and we deal with real issues. Uh, e every one of us who attends a hypnosis training are also genuine people, so we all genuinely have something that we could work on in our own life.

And, uh, and, and I limit those classes to 12 people so that we can actually give each other feedback. But I don’t give feedback in those classes that is traditional, Here’s what you could have improved, or Here’s what you did wrong. Instead, I follow a positive psychology model where instead of trying to stop doing what we’re doing wrong, we try to start doing a more of what we’re doing correctly.

And that’s a real, uh, important shift and I think for people to move to the expert level. It’s not really being told what we’re doing wrong, that’s important to us. Um, the people who attend those classes, the people who attend, really a lot of even my online trainings have, have, have experienced doing the technical side of hypnosis.

They actually know when they’re wrong, but we almost always tend to look at ourselves critically. And because of that, we fail to recognize what we’re doing. Right. And the idea on positive psychology is, not to get rid of what’s wrong, but instead to compensate for our deficits, if you will, by utilizing our strengths.

And so the feedback that we give follows a positive psychology model where we try to do more of what we are doing correctly. Yeah. Got it. Got it. So then where did this model come from? Where did this idea origin? Well, the idea actually originated, um, from my own personal experiences. Like I said, I’d been doing hypnosis for many years and probably never had anybody observe a complete session of mine.

In the early two thousands, I went to Germany and I went to a training. It wasn’t titled Hypnosis Training. It was a, a course for mental health professionals, and it was titled Advanced Accurate. And it was led by, uh, Dr. Bob, uh, Bole from Florida State University as a psychologist there. And, uh, and the class was really a remarkable class because over, uh, you know, several day period at a little Ricky Dink hotel in or Germany, um, we actually did hypnosis with each other and we got direct feedback from other experts in, um, In, in, in, in ways that we could help our clients even better.

And it was at that training that I left feeling that maybe I had marked my own beginning from being. A good technician to being an expert hypnotist. And I look back on that course and it was really life changing for me. So I began to offer that course usually, or a version of that course, uh, uh, you know, two or three times a year here in Las Vegas.

And, uh, People have loved attending on. Yeah. What I wanted to reach out to you specifically on this is that, uh, uh, once again, you joined the amazing rank of people who, uh, have forgotten they were actually on this program before, uh, back on . Yeah. I’m really grateful that you have permitted me to be on your show.

You know, I know a lot of people listening to your podcast. I keep thinking to myself, one, is Jason ever gonna let me be a guest? So thank you for finally letting me be a guest on your show. Yeah. We’ll ignore session number, uh, 47 from June 20. 2015, uh, Richard, non guarded evidence based hypnosis, Uh, worth a listen.

Maybe you should hear it as well. No, but back to that original, uh, time together. Th this mindset of thinking differently, I mean, thinking bigger about the hypnosis profession that at the time I had reached out to you before about some work that you were doing where taking some of the more up to date thinking that’s out there in terms of counseling, in terms of coaching.

Bringing that into the hypnosis process where so much of the work may have been, let’s phrase it this way, stuck in the dark ages of this is how they used to do it and working to really update the models. Um, to go kind of bigger picture on this, how would you perceive it to be that we all need to be thinking differently about what we do?

What’s amazing to me is that so many hypnotists talk to me. The past, they talk to me about Erickson. They talk to me about Elman. They talk to me about, uh, you know, Harry Aarons, they talk to me about, uh, all of the people who came before us. And they try to learn their methods, and that’s fine because it helps us to become a better technician.

And those individuals had really tremendous contributions to our understanding of hypnosis. But it’s really interesting that rarely do we ask this question, Who is doing current research in the field of hypnosis or in the fields directly related to hypnosis, mindfulness, meditation, cognitive based therapies, experiential therapies, acceptance and commitment therapies, dialectical behavioral therapy, All those are very closely related to hypnosis and asking what can we bring into our current.

Our, our current knowledge base rather than simply trying to replicate the past. So the idea of contextual psychology that we talked about, or contextual hippotherapy in the previous, uh, webcast was really about looking at the current body of literature and evidence out there that shows us. Really a whole new treasured chest of techniques and ideas and strategies.

But more importantly than just learning something new, it actually tells me what works most effectively. Because, you know, 60 years ago, we didn’t really have a wide. You know, body of techniques, we didn’t have a real big menu to choose from, and now we really do, and some are more effective than others.

And if I have a client who I’ve never worked with before, I’ve never met them before, I’ve probably never even talked to them before, I wanna actually begin with that, which is most likely to be helpful to the client, not necessarily that which comes from my tradition or from antidotes about, you know, What other hypnotists have told me works.

So I think it’s really important for us to, um, have a meta theoretical approach. You know, I meet people who either regression or they’re not regression well, how. What’s best for the client. Yeah. And predicate that on what we know about, um, helping clients to heal faster and recover sooner and create lasting change, which is why HIPPA thoughts this year, I gave away that book.

I gave away a book titled 101 Proofs That Hypnosis Works. It’s all from the academic literature, and that’s all actually new research. And what’s interesting about it is that in many of those cases, the articles didn’t actually even use the word hyn. , but they were definitely working with hypnotic methods, whether it’s autogenic training or progressive muscle relaxation or forms of visualization, et cetera.

And so as HESIs, I think we need to think big. You know, probably the best example of this is nlp. If I go to a most NLP master practitioner trainings today, what I’m actually gonna get is the exact same content that was in the master practitioner training in 1979. Yeah. Yeah. The idea with it, with with NLP is let’s model an exemplar, somebody who produced excellent results.

So in NLP we talk about Milton, Erics who we talk about Virginia Sater, and we talk about Fritz Pearls, but never do I hear NLP professionals talking about, you know, Stephen Hayes or. Really any other person who might be on the forefront, Marshall Linehan, of really effectively working with clients in a creative ways.

How come in the field of nlp, those people aren’t be becoming the new source for new NLP patterns and, and so of course that integrates into hypnosis and I think we can. Be bigger by, by learning more. Well, I mean, you look at the, the, you know, especially on the NLP side, you go back to the Origins and yes, they were modeling the work of these individuals yet to chunk up a little bit higher.

We should be modeling the thinking, how, what was going on in the mind, what was going on in the processing, what was going on in terms of the perceptions to eventually get to the. Where, you know, the NLP training doesn’t necessarily take the shape of here’s another routine, here’s another strategy, here’s another technique.

That’s one way that it’s often been done, but instead it goes back to, I mean, the story. Tracking people who let go of a fear on their own, Tracking people who were naturally getting into rapport on their own, and what were the things that were naturally occurring. So it’s not this, let’s go there. There’s not this bastardized version of, if I sit like you, you’re gonna like me and you’re gonna trust me and you’re gonna buy my stuff.

No, it’s instead, how do we get into that thinking? So to rewind it back again, like you, like you wonderfully mentioned there about listening to the client, what’s appropriate to them. And what was driving that result? You know, it’s where you mentioned, uh, you know, we got onto the theme of watching a real client session.

Um, it’s something that I’ve got a few of inside of my training programs, which by nature of getting someone to agree to such a thing who is a real paying client as opposed to a student in a class is a different scenario from one to the other. And it’s a library. I’m gradually building up more and more of though it’s to have not just that session, but that almost, uh, seen by scene breakdown towards the end of this is what we talked about during the conversation and that’s why I went in that direction.

This is what I knew about the client going into the scenario, and that’s why these strategies were put into place. So back to that original question though. How is it that that new hypnotist learns that intuitive art of. I think number one study. Yeah. I remember when I was first learning hypnosis, I had an insatiable desire to read more books, and the cool thing is I just moved into a new house, so I put up some new bookshelves and I unpacked some of those boxes with some of my old books, and I really learned a lot of stuff early on.

So of course, obviously reading a. Learning a lot, attending a lot of classes, all of those things. But I think having that desire for peak level performance. So one of the things that we do as HSIs is we offer peak performance hypnosis. I help athletes to step into the zone and be triumphant in their sport.

I work with academic performance, and by the way, I don’t work with D students trying to get them to a C. Yeah. The students who I’ve worked with have always. Students who need to get an A. I’m working with the 34 on the A C T who needs a 35 in order to get into Harvard. Those are the people who I work with.

So in academic performance. So I’m trying to help people to achieve, again, peak performance states. So as a hypnotist, we’re offering peak performance services. But I have to ask you this question, or, uh, you Jason, but everybody who’s listening to this, um, who’s doing your peak performance hypnosis? Who are we seeing to get not only the feedback, but also suggest a therapy for ourselves that can help us step into a peak state or frame of reference in hypnosis?

So one of my most popular YouTube videos over the years are recorded about five or six years ago, and it was a hypnosis session to hypnotize the hypnotist to have confidence to do hypnosis. Because a lot of people don’t have confidence when they’re new to actually do sessions with people. The, the, the, the session I should probably record now and put on YouTube is, um, stepping into peak performance for the expert hip.

Now I do some of that. You know, I meet with people individually here in Las Vegas at what I call the hypnotic palace. Mm-hmm. , uh, people do come and study with me for, uh, a period of a couple days. Um, and as part of that, we cover, of course, what people are most interested in learning and the techniques and all those things in one on one or maybe they bring one colleague.

Um, But I also spend a lot of time working with individuals doing hypnosis with them, helping them to achieve peak performance states. Just like we help our clients to achieve peak performance states in their craft or their area of interest. I think it’s important for us to do that. Well, it’s where again, we, we get on that quest of I need another technique, I need another strategy.

And to sometimes really have those moments that, yes, while that continued education is empowering, but also to have that mindset that we are ready to jump in. The, the number of people that I’d interact with that have I, I’d go so far as to say, even at times, more training than I have, and yet they still haven’t seen that first client.

They still haven’t put it all into motion or they’re seeing people and they’re not quite working to that P full potential yet. You know, I think two things hold people back from actually working with clients. Number one is their own fear that they’re not adequate yet. Yeah. Not only in their. Techniques, but in their own personal life, it’s really about self doubt.

There are a few pounds overweight still, or you know, they have a couple compulsive habits or sneak of cigarette every now and then, or like to play cards or, you know, uh, uh, you know, uh, surf the internet for, you know, dirty images or whatever it is that people do that. That makes them feel like they’re not okay or they’re not perfect, or that they drink beer during football games or again, whatever it is.

So there’s a self doubt. Well, how can I help people? Cause I have to deal with some of my own issues and I need more training, so I have more opportunity to address my own issues, and when I finally climb up them as lobby and escalator to self actualization, then I will be ready to see clients. The problem.

No matter how high up the Malo and pyramid we climb, there’s always a higher level. And it’s kinda like waiting for tomorrow to do something that’s important. And I actually believe, uh, I got this sort of debate on the internet not too long ago. How many, how much hypnosis training do you have to have before you can help people?

I can teach a person how to do a basic process of induction and deepening and reorientation using a skill building induction, and I can do that in probably a two day. Um, and, and, and, and, and if I teach that to you and you use that with individuals, you will better their lives today. As I said before, if all we did was induction, deepener, and reorientation, 90% of our clients would respond with profound changes, and they’d, they’d change rapidly.

So the reality is, We can in fact begin helping people immediately. And that’s how you become a better hypnotist, is you begin within your scope of practice using the skills that you know to help people experience change and wellness. And as I do that with people, I will become a, a. A better technician who’s more intuitive and will be able to help more people at a deeper level.

And I’ve never met anybody yet who got 20 hours of hypnosis training and then said up. I guess that’s all I need. Anybody who actually wants to go on and help people is actually gonna go on to become lifelong learners. You know, you and I talked about this at Hip. Thoughts. What are you going, What class are you going to attend?

Richard and I attended some great classes. I attended one. Paddock in Milwaukee and I attended one by, uh, Duff McDuffy from Boulder, Colorado. And, uh, I attended a couple other classes at h Thoughts and popped in on a few classes at Hypno Thoughts. And I did that, um, because I’ve never stopped my learning.

Just a week or two ago, I bought a book on Amazon, um, to add to my hypnosis library, and I spent part of last week reading material in that book so I could learn, so I could become a, a better heist. So then let’s go back to that statement though. I wanted to explore that a little bit further around to do that skills building induction to do the deepeners, to talk about the change.

And you mentioned a lot of people will respond simply to that. Now, what will come around to the other side of one school of thought that says you gotta go after? Cause you gotta go after this. You gotta go after that though. Why is it in your opinion, The process is gonna get that powerful of a reaction to something that some people in our community would look at and say, Yeah, but that’s too simple.

Oh, that’s just direct suggestion hypnosis. Yeah. You know, I’ve actually found that, um, most people are actually pretty simple and simple. People respond to simple solutions. Yeah. Uh, I’m a simple guy. Um, and I respond to the simple things. Um, and, you know, we, we like life when it’s simple. And if you, Jason, tell me that by learning the techniques of, let’s call it progressive muscle relaxation, or the techniques of autogenic training or something like that, that that is going to gimme the hypnotic suggestion that that’s gonna help me solve the presenting problem while I’m gonna believe it and I act on whatever I believe.

And so, I’m going to make the change because you, you taught that to me. That’s the sort of the cognitive component of it. It really is that simple direct suggestion actually works. The other element to this is we have a lot of talk now about mind body medicine and cognitive neuroscience and um, you know, in psycho psychotherapy or hippotherapy and.

There’s a tremendous amount of, of value in that. So one of the books that I actually added to my library two weeks ago was, um, a book that Herbert Benson, Harvard psychiatrist wrote about therapeutic relaxation. So in 1978, he wrote a landmark book called the The Relaxation Response, and he showed in that book all of the research again, Harvard psychiatrist, that by simply.

Basically Jacobson’s process for progressive muscle relaxation. There were profound psychological, there were profound social, there were profound physiological responses that resulted from his patients learning this process. And we all recognize that as part of a hypnotic conduction. So I think it’s heus, we can take it to a deeper level.

The value. A lot of people try to get through the induction so they can get to the good stuff if we do the induction correctly. It actually is the good stuff. Yeah. And we change, um, states and we change, we, we change, um, you know, neurological associations with those states. And of all the clients who I think of, and even in my own life stuff I struggle with most.

Unwanted states rather than directed resource states. And those simple processes actually not only direct new resource states, the antithesis of the stress or anxiety or the fear or the self doubt, or whatever other negative components I’m feeling in life, but they actually. Changed my physiology. Yeah.

And helped me step into a healthy chapter of life. That’s some really profound stuff. Well, it’s that conversation that, is it the mindset that changes the physiology? Or is it the physiology that changes the mindset? Is it, you know, and this type of equation goes back and forth of which one came first, but simply looking at the process sometimes as being that pattern interrupt or as I would say, the, uh, inspirational phrase from any infomercial at three in the morning.

But there’s gotta be another. That opportunity to observe things differently, just to introduce that other pattern and to bring about a similar background. Um, it’s that moment where the magician could pull out this incredible slide of hand routine with all this incredible card magic and cards appearing and disappearing.

But of all things that’s gonna have the lasting value is when they pull out the sponge bunnie. Absolutely. You put Mama Bunny in their hand, you put Papa Bunny in yours and they wanna be together. You open up your hand, It’s disappeared. Both are now in theirs. You then put Mama Bunny and Papa Bunny in their hand.

They close it. And you know what happens when bunnies are together in darkness? They open up and the hand explodes with all these baby bunnies in the hand as. And it’s just the simplest of a trick. And it’s where back in the years where I was around magicians, you know, it was the magic for magic’s sake.

It was the magician fooler, the person being branded as the magician’s magician. And you would watch somebody, a, a layperson, observe one of these routines and they can’t even track what was supposed to happen, as opposed to, I opened my hand and something happened back to the simplicity. You know, um, my goal with my clients is not to do a process that impresses other hypnotists at a hypnosis convention.

Thank you, . My goal with my clients is to help them to find a new manner of living or to enter a new chapter of life, one filled with abundance and happiness and, and, and, and change. Um, and I don’t need. To use all of the techniques that impress other heus and hypnosis convention, I just need to use the techniques.

Help my client to solve the presenting problem and to step into that new chapter of life. And so that’s what I do with my clients. I do what works best for them. Now, you’ve been writing recently about the theme of something that I absolutely agree with, of truly getting that foot in the door for the first session, which is where very often in my first session, it’s similar in theme to what we’ve been talking about so far.

Because it’s about getting that foot in the door for the change process. And I, I say this respectfully, but I also say this disrespectfully to parts of our community, rather than trying to convince the person from the start the issue and listen for the modifier here, the issue might have been a bigger issue than it was in the first place that they’re coming into my office.

Here’s the presenting issue. Let’s get in there and get that change in motion. And it’s where you’re a multiple session practitioner. I’m a multiple session practitioner, and that mindset of it’s the feedback in the next session, that’s what’s gonna guide. Absolutely. You know, I, I, I’m not a big fan of single session hypnosis, and the reason why I’m not is that sometimes it’s a process and people want, people come to us because they want to be supported.

They, they, they don’t have anybody in their life who actually does genuinely care about them or this issue, you know, the smoker lives with another smoker, or the overweight person lives with overweight family members who want them to continue to eat twinki and pizza and donuts. And we’re, we may be the only person in their world who, who, who they believe genuinely cares about their wellness.

I find a lot of my clients are in isolation, and we have to remember that probably the mechanism that makes most hypnosis sessions effective is actually not the technique we use, but the care we give to the client. And so I want my clients to come back to a second session smoking cess. Because I want them to have a place to give their high fives and their accolades cuz their bowling team actually doesn’t care.

Their coworkers don’t care. Their spouse who continues to smoke at home doesn’t care. And they need that. And that can, Well, in fact, back to the cognitive neuroscience is actually research that shows that simply attending to a person be in your space. You and MySpace, the two of us sharing tra together produce.

Um, neurological change, new associations, and can help our clients to experience success. So let’s go to the other side of that statement though. Uh, what do we do to build up that strength within the client? Get, not build that dependence back upon us. Well, I always prepare my client. I always let my clients know that my goal is to not have them be dependent on me so that they have to come back to me in order to solve any problem.

So I let my clients know at the outset that ours is have paid temporary professional relationship, but I’m gonna be there. for them when they need me, but I decrease dependency by giving my clients homework between each and every session. And I follow up on that homework to make sure that they’ve done it, because I don’t want my clients to come to my office and be hypnotized.

I want my clients to leave my office and live hypnotically nice. And so when they leave my office for the last time, they’re not abandoned. They are now well prepared. To live Hypnotically. And the great thing about Living Hypnotically is that you find the relationships and the people in your world who will share that positive trans state with you, whether they’re a hypnotist or not.

And. And, and old associations. Again, whether it’s with a habit like overeating or smoking cigarettes or chasing cars or whatever it is that people are trying to overcome is literally replaced with a new behavior of being excited about life. Years ago, I had a, a client, his dad was actually a, a, a licensed professional counselor, and his dad came to one of my workshops, one of my trainings in the nineties, and.

And, and dad said to me, Wow, my son, he’s 18. He is got a lot of problems. I’ve tried to help him. He’s been an inpatient, he’s been an outpatient, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Will you see him for counseling? And so I agreed to see his son. Now, I had never met the father before. This was the only time I ever talked to him.

The son came in for his session and I think he was probably about 19 years old. And when he came in for the session, the first thing he did was he looked at me and he. So are you gonna help tell me to quit smoking pot like all my other dad’s friends? . And I said to him of two things. First of all, I’m, I’m not your father’s friend.

I simply met him on one time, so let me just clarify for you, in case you didn’t know what our relationship was. He came to a class and I met him. I’ve never talked to him any other time. Uh, two. Now I’m not gonna tell you to quit smoking pot. Now, he looked at me with a big smile on his face when I told him that.

And of course, this was, again, the very early 1990s. Long hair, Probably some form of a crappy mullet. . Uh, I had, you know, Roundest John London glasses were probably a little bit tinted. I had a giant porn star, mustache that, you know, kind of hung down. And he, he looked at me and he said, Are you a pot smoker too?

This was, of course back in the day when everything was in the closet. And I said, No. He looked ejected. He looked bummed up, and then he said, Why aren’t you gonna quit? Why aren’t you gonna tell me to quit smoking pot? And I said, My goal is not to help you to quit smoking pot. My goal in our sessions, I’m not sure apparently we triggered Alexa.

I said, My, my goal, she doesn’t know something. I said, We’re not that ally. I love that. I don’t think I said Alexa, but I, I have her on turn off. I keep saying things in my office that sound like, uh, hey. Yeah, exactly. And that time is right. Siri pops up. Yeah, that told goal not to help you. My goal is not to have you quit smoking pop.

My goal is to help you to love life so much that you won’t wanna miss any of it by being stoned or drunk or high. And I think that’s really the approach we can have with all of our clients. We want them to love their new life so much, and the opportunity that hypnosis gives them and access to these new and incredible, uh, resource states that, that they can, that they can produce in our office, that they won’t ever wanna go back to whatever misery they had before they came to my office because the new manner of living is just so wonderful.

And if we can replace place, Those old things with hypnotic living well, we’ve, we’ve changed, we’ve transformed lives forever. Then there’s really no question about, will I go back to gaining weight or will I go back to smoking cigarettes or will I go back to chasing cars or being depressed? The answer to that is no, which the, uh, start chasing cars program from Dr.

Richard non guard is coming. Uh, it’s actually the, the program from John Cerone. John. Okay. Yeah, yeah, that’s right. Actually talks about, uh, stop chasing cars. So, yeah, he, uh, he mentioned that when he was on the podcast and he remembered when he was on here too, by the way. So, uh, . So I wanted to kind of try you, You must, There must be some sort of subconscious hip, not a queue that Jason Lynnette remind hypnotists to use the Stop Chasing Cars example for our generic hypnosis Su.

Outstanding. Outstanding. So let’s kind of transition away though, because you’re somebody that you’re not doing as much individual one to one work as you used to. Uh, and it comes down to a theme that’s originally the reason I reached out to you to to be here once again, which is that mindset of thinking bigger about what we do.

Where to have that ability to be that influencer of all these practitioners around the world and to begin to spread that skill around though even where so many people within this hypnosis profession are stuck inside of that dollars for hours model where unless there’s somebody there in the office is there’s no other model or even this mindset that it’s not as good.

So this is the only thing that I should be doing. In terms of just that mindset, how do you think that outside of just the skills that we’re using inside of our process, how is it that the modern hypnotist should be thinking differently about how we approach the work that we do? , or probably the best example is I see this post on Facebook all the time in various hypnosis groups, which is, I just had a client, NoShow, can I charge their credit card?

Or how do I, how do I get a client to pay me when they, you know, cancel the appointment right beforehand, and uh, and I hear all these strategies about how you can, you know, weasel $125 or $150 out of them because they know, showed or didn’t call or canceled or whatever. Uh, the reality is, I’d. When clients don’t show up because it gives me an hour to do something productive.

So I would’ve done a hypnosis session with him. So instead, I write a hypnosis script. Now I have two of the best selling hypnosis script books on the planet Earth. So I have somebody who doesn’t show up, or somebody who calls and cancels the last minute. It gives me an opportunity to work on other things, to create other content, whether it’s writing a book, creating scripts for other hypnotists, um, or really doing anything else that’s productive and valuable with my time.

Maybe even. Rising to a higher level by using that time for self hypnosis. And so sometimes I actually feel like I owe a debt of gratitude to my client for no showing to open up some more time during the day, so I have the ability to use it productively. Um, The other element of that that I think is actually important for us is, yeah, you, you mentioned that I’m doing less hypnosis now than I was before.

You know, when I was in Tulsa and had the Tulsa hypnosis clinic, I was actually staying pretty busy. Um, a lot of people know I’ve had some health problems, particularly with my voice. The good thing is it’s all on the mend now. I actually started speech therapy, speech pathology yesterday. It was my first appointment, and I have another appointment tomorrow and, uh, So, uh, because I haven’t been able to sustain my voice and use it in the same way that we need to as a hypnotist, when I moved to Las Vegas, I made the decision that I wouldn’t see clients in an office anymore.

And, um, I actually spent most of my time in the last two years writing, uh, because you don’t need your voice for writing. But because things are on the mend, it’s given me a whole lot of new opportunity. By the way, self hypnosis, in addition to speech pathology, in addition to a couple surgeries, has been a big part of that recovery process for me.

Um, but now I’m at the point where I get to sort of look back and see, well, what’s my contribution? And I wanna be able to contribute. Teaching other people. So we have a, an IC BCH Train the Trainer event coming over. Coming up, and, and that’s an event that. Revolve around me standing in front of a room and teaching people how to teach other people hypnosis.

But again, it’s limited to 12 people so that I can actually brainstorm with them. What direction would you like to take hypnosis training in? These are people who are attending, who are in fact leaders in our profession, and it’s gonna be great to work with them. So I think all of us, um, get opportunities to really.

What it is we’re doing and sort of, um, renegotiate what their contributions are now because my voice is largely back, I have been seeing more and more clients via Skype, and that’s been a lot of fun for me. I love seeing clients via Skype. I just worked with a lady a couple weeks ago who is, uh, afraid of flying, but the problem is I worked with her on Skype because she had flown to where she was going and now she needed to get home.

And so I get some really creative. Opportunities to work with people on Skype and. In ways that I actually really didn’t when I had the office. So I’m still seeing clients, I’m still seeing clients on a regular basis. And of course when people come to see me for, you know, what we call one-on-one mentoring, a large part of that is hypnosis.

They sit in my hypnotic furniture, put the same headphones on my clients in the office did, and we do full sessions, um, not only to learn, but also to step into peak performance. And, uh, you know, I I, I really feel like I’m living the dream now cuz I get to do some training and create some awesome, awesome courses.

But I get to see clients as well, whether they’re on Skype or elsewhere. And I, I’m also really beginning to focus on sort of leaving a legacy and transforming our profession by networking with other professionals to really create. You know, resources. Over the years, I’ve probably given away more hypnosis than just about anyone.

You know, I started loading up YouTube videos 10 years ago when people would actually get mad at me for sharing our hypnotic secrets on the internet. And so I’m looking forward to stirring the pot by really working with some other fine individuals to, um, To really expand our reach to think bigger as a profession?

Well, I’d share, there’s a inspiration that I’ve picked up from the way that, uh, back in the days of when David Copperfield would do the magic special on television, when suddenly, and here’s a cross reference, when George Carlin would do the standup comedy special on hbo, when they did that performance on television, that was no longer the act that they could tour.

That if you went and saw them live? Yes. You know, eventually with George Carlin, there’s a period in his history where he refused to work Vegas, and then in his later years he did because he found, well, the audience does wanna see him do some of the same old routines, and he sort of mix in some of the hits with newer material.

But it’s that mindset where it’s that personal challenge that as soon as they package it, as soon as they put it into that product format on television, They’ve gotta change it up. They’ve gotta create a new routine. They’ve gotta, It’s where I don’t have the direct reference on this. . But there’s a reason why David Copperfield hasn’t done television the way he used to.

Cuz now sitting in that theater, it’s his show and the amateur changes their act. The professional changes their audience. But it’s more so about changing that model and just going, Well, how can I push this in a new direction? What happens if we do it this way? What happens if we do it that way? Or back to the old Judy Garland.

Mickey Rudy movies, My uncle’s got a barn. Let’s put on a. Let’s see what happens. Well, and I’ve found that we can’t actually get better and move to the expert or to the sage level in a vacuum without working with others. This is why I have always sort of viewed myself as the Frank Sinatra for the Willy Nelson of hypnosis.

Yeah, I like doing things with other people and other teachers and. Whether it’s writing a book with James Hazelrig or whether it’s, you know, teaching classes with Scott Sandlin or many, or any of the other people I’ve taught with. I like networking with me, people who are members of all the professional associations, you know, in this Train the Trainer program.

Some people have called and said, Yeah, but I’m a trainer for this organization or that organization. You know, do I have to give that up? Well, of course not. I would never expect or want anyone to. I think that as a profession, we can all strengthen each other. Sharing our resources, sharing our knowledge, sharing our different vantage points, viewpoints and philosophies, and really working together to make this profession great, outstanding.

And I’m sure most people already know the websites, but for the sake of completeness, working, working folks, find out more about you online, subliminal science.com. Now I would not have, now knowing what I now know about marketing, I never would’ve picked subliminal science.com. I actually do own all of the Miss spellings.

Um, but, uh, al science.com has probably been one of the busiest and biggest hypnosis websites in the last, you know, ever. Um, and there is a, a blog that’s pretty active for lots of great content and a lot of resources that people can access. And then of course, if you go to ic bch group.com, ic bch group.com, that actually is a URL I bought that simply redirects to the Facebook group for nlp, hypnosis and life coaching professionals.

There’s about 5,500 members in that group. And here’s the great thing, it’s well moderated. There are no fights and flame warm. So I, I think it’s one of the most respectful and, um, Sort of, um, social media forums for hypnotists to gather. And the great thing about it is it’s open to everybody who is genuinely in, in hypnosis, nlp, and effective life coaching, regardless of training or affiliation.
And if you ask a question there, you’ll actually get the feedback not only from me, but from, you know, 5,500 other people and, you know, and again, a, a respectful and well moderated forum. So that’s ic bch group.com. And of course my website. Subliminal science.com. Outstanding. Well, thanks for thinking bigger and uh, thanks for, uh, appearing on the program now officially for the first time.

Yeah. I really appreciate you having for years. I’ve been trying to get on it and so now I, I, I know I’ve hit the big time cause I’m on the, uh, work Smartt Hypnosis podcast.

Ho back, it’s Jason Lenette here. I’m getting tired of using the same old catch phrases. And uh, once again, thank you so much for interacting with this program. Thank you so much for your feedback online, whether it’s sharing this podcast, listing on Facebook, or leaving your reviews over on iTunes or any other podcasting player out there.

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