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This is the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast, Session number 172, Rick Green on hypnotic confidence. Welcome to the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast with Jason Lynette, your professional resource for hypnosis training and outstanding business success. Here’s your host, Jason Lynette. You know, there’s probably more real crime stories in this week’s podcast session than I think the previous 171 sessions all combined.
Hey, it’s Jason Lynette here, and it is about time I have Rick Green on the program. Uh, Rick and I go back a couple of years interacting first at the, uh, Hypno Thoughts convention and several other interactions from there. And just amazingly fascinating and skilled practitioner of hypnosis. To, to use the phrase of soft skills that we’re often taking the skills of what we’ve done in previous careers and bringing it into the work that we do now.
The experience of listening to Rick’s story as an undercover police officer and then transitioning that over, of course naturally to hypnosis, and you’re gonna hear some incredible insights to what it is that it means to have confidence. In our process, what it means to exude that confidence appropriately inside of the session so the client knows that they’re in a safe space, that they know they’re on track towards that positive change.
And it’s the catch phrase that I’m kind of living by these days of taking techniques that are already effective and making them even more effective, the way that we can lean into that process, that appropriate way to get. Greater results. You know, if you’re with somebody in session, you’re saying, Well, you know, we’ll see how it goes.
Hope it works. How’s that gonna go yet? If you’re really going into that session with that full mindset of we’ve got this, this is gonna be easy and even better, it’s gonna be fun getting there. That’s often how the process really plays out instead. And I, I’d share that’s a mindset that personally I.
Probably stuck on top of all that I do about eight, nine years ago. And it’s how as I was, uh, younger at one point and without children and working marathon schedule days from like eight in the morning till eight at night, this is how I’d walk outta the office with just as much energy as I walk. In it turned every experience, every client issue into that good to great mindset and you’re gonna hear some amazing insights and details about an upcoming course that Rick’s gonna be training at Hypno Thoughts Live 2018.
Details will be all [email protected] and the show notes. Plus you can actually get the information to check out Rick’s website and his rather rapidly growing. This as well. While you’re there too at the web, check out hypnotic essentials.com. This is the live Hands on six day intensive course happening in the Washington DC area in September, 2018.
It’s myself and James Hazelrigg teaming up to give you strategies to better customize to your client, frame the process in the most effective way, and give you the real world technical skills to build your own hypno. Confidence, check that out [email protected] Again, all the details over in the show [email protected]
And with that, let’s jump directly into this week’s outstanding conversation. This is session number 172, Rick Green on hypnotic confidence.
Oh, that’s a real interesting, uh, question and I’ve always attributed it to one thing, and actually it was your speech. At Hypno thoughts, which kicked back a memory that told me maybe it was something else. So what happened was I was in Judo, um, I, uh, actually was on the Judo Olympic training team for the, uh, 76 Olympics.
And, um, well I ended up breaking my arm with a, uh, compound fracture. Okay. So I was like, my bone was sticking out of my arm and all that good stuff. So the doctors told me that you’ll never get use of your arm again. We’re gonna have to lock it out straight. You might have an inch or to a movement. And my sense, I, I was so fortunate, I literally had the Mr.
Miyagi experience, , and my sense was a. Very, very old school Japanese, uh, uh, person by the name of, uh, oga. And, um, you know, I owe so much to that man anyways. Uh, he told me, he says, No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He says, You know, we fix this. And he put me through some, um, exercises, but a lot of it was just meditations and mental mind work and things like that.
And he worked with me and. Two years, I got the full use of my arm back. Wow. Yeah. And against the doctor said they just couldn’t believe it because they had opted it out. They had physically pinned it in place. Mm-hmm. . Um, they had to remove the pens, but I’ve always said that was my beginning. And understanding the powers of the mind and understanding how, you know, the powerful our mind is.
You said something at Hypno Thoughts, which kicked back. I was in high school. I was in a hypnosis show at the time in my arm and a cast, and there’s a picture in my yearbook with this, My Arms in a cast. And I don’t, can’t tell you who the hypnotist was, I wish I knew, but they did the, you know, raise your arm out.
And of course I’m raising my. Cast out. Mm-hmm. . And he runs over and he says, No, no, no, no. Um, you know, I’m sure he is, could do the arm pull and not that I know what he’s doing, but, uh, he says, You’re gonna ha leave this arm just here and that arm will be just fine. It’s going to heal. I remember him saying that.
Nice. And, uh, you know, I didn’t recall that until you kicked it back at the, uh, hyp thoughts anyway, so, which is making me kick back to, um, I don’t do as much stage hypnosis as I used to. That’s kind of what got me into all of this. Yet I still do a stretch of schools. In Virginia Beach, Virginia is one of the schools, is the one that I graduated from, and they like that.
Local boy comes back and I, I do the programs there. And here’s one of the schools where I strategically brought up this one girl who was the rock star in the audience. Um, you know, loving the light and heavy arms, loving all the suggestibility test. I see she’s got a leg brace on and I’m thinking this is someone who’s probably left out of a lot of stuff.
Let me do a show mostly with everybody seated and this way she can be featured and actually have a good time. Um, so now that I’ve said that and you’re connecting it back to my story, we’ll be interviewing her on the podcast in five years. So , that would be, that would be very cool. That’ll be her origin story.
Or just go off on some other route. Yeah. Well, uh, look her up again and find out, you know, where she’s at because, uh, that was amazing. Yeah. So from there I graduate. Um, I’m going to college, I’m going into uh, aviation engineering. But you know, the war just ended. All the pilots were taking all the civilian jobs and so I ended up as a police officer.
Mm-hmm. , you know, probably cuz I like to drive fast and do things like that. , um, But, uh, it was, it was a very good fit for me. And, uh, while I was going through college and while I was going through the, uh, police academy and, uh, and really part of my career, I started doing, uh, hypnosis, concentration tapes and things like that.
And then I got involved with the, uh, SIL method. Mm-hmm. , um, with was very, uh, powerful and, uh, very big at the time. Uh, and so I started working under. And when I started working undercover, I did nine years of undercover work, which I just loved. I mean, that, that was some of the greatest things. And part of my confidence course is from, uh, what I’ll be teaching, the hyp thoughts come from what I used to teach the, uh, um, undercover officers when I became kind of the instructor there.
Yeah, we can’t just, we can’t hop over that little bit of, uh, negative wisdom there. So tell me more about doing the undercover. Okay. Well, the undercover work was great. In fact, uh, if, if you ever watch like, uh, the Lethal Weapon movies with Mel Gibson and stuff, and there, there’s a scene where he’s starting out where he’s, um, the first one where he’s shorting someone, uh, paying them.
They want a hundred thousand, he’s giving a hundred bucks. And I’m, I’m sitting there going, I did that. I did that. Mm-hmm. just hilarious. You know, And it was like, It was just pure cop humor because, and undercover, you can be so creative and do almost anything you want. And I’m, I’m literally laughing all the time thinking like, Oh my God, you believe that?
Let me tell you this. Let me tell you this. And it was, um, it was just a great, great, um, thing about state control. Mm-hmm. . And when we’re talking hypnotically, how to learn state control, how to be in charge of yourself, how to, you know, be competent and uh, um, so one of the things I used to teach, Um, new undercover officers.
I says, You know, you can’t go undercover until you can walk into a hospital, into an, uh, um, an operating room and get me a, uh, instrument. And so, I mean, you have, please understand, this was, uh, back in the eighties and, uh, you know, liabilities and stuff were a little different. Um, but uh, you know, you had to be able to bluff your way in and out of situations.
And, uh, you know, I, I was putting some very, very, uh, tight situations where I had guns put to my head and things like that, and you have to think fast and it’s all state control. Um, so that, that was great. Great training for, um, learning how to handle all that. But I, while I was doing that, I went to a DEA school, uh, Drug Enforcement Administration, and they had an instructor there who was a police chief from, uh, the Chicago.
He was also a heist and an nlp. So he did a whole day with us and I got really fascinated. I started learning NLP and bought the books and, uh, Nightingale, Connet, uh, , uh, the cassette, which I still have. Um, and, uh, so. I went from there and I was learning this, and that really brought me through into my next part of my career as a, uh, detective.
And then I worked my way to the, you know, homicide, or we just called it major crimes, rape, robberies, and murders. And it was really useful sitting down with a suspect. And finding out the truth. I mean, I, I, I wasn’t about, you know, attempting to get them to confess to something they didn’t do, but, you know, getting the truth outta some of these people is really, really hard.
And from that, I guess, I. I really learned how to tell when people are lying, what their physical, uh, um, you know, their body language is, their thought processes. And that is a very, very useful thing I found in hypnosis because I sit down with people and often they’re lying to themselves. The person who says, I’m gonna quit smoking.
I’m gonna do it Monday. I’m gonna go on a diet, but I’m gonna do it Monday. They’re just lying to themselves to get through the weekend to feel good about themselves. And I love that you phrase it that way because so often I hear it more from a cynical place of they’re lying to us and it, it’s perhaps not a conscious mind decision to be processing the world around them in this way.
Yet they’ve fallen into that pattern and it’s finding that place to kind of respectfully call out that, that, that self lie, that self stuck pattern. E. Exactly. And that’s what it is. They’re, they’re lying to themselves and they’re just expressing it to us. And because, um, I don’t, Yeah, I mean, even the bad guys, the rape, robberies and murderers, um, they’re lying to themselves and expressing it to me when I sat down with them.
And very often, um, I became very good at, you know, asking them what we would call a key question, you know? Uh, would be a very emotional, so only the, uh, suspect would know where, where’s the murder weapon? Where’s all this? Um, and you could see them doing that trans derival search where it’s like, Okay, how do I get out of this?
What do they know? Things like this and they’re processing what lie to say? And I just think, No, I don’t want that answer. I want what’s really going on. And boy, they’d look at me like I was a mind reader, , and because they hadn’t given an answer yet. And I do that often with my, uh, uh, clients who. I don’t wanna say oppositional, they’re just still in transition of what they want and where they want to go.
So they’re, they’re, they’re still fighting themselves. Um, in my opinion. That’s where they’re often still kind of stuck in the pattern of what may have seemed easier, may have seemed unconsciously comfort. . Exactly. So I’m just thinking the transition, I’m thinking the career transition of moving from, uh, interviewing people of this nature to then suddenly now Yeah.
Here comes the stop smoking client. Exactly. Yeah. . And you know, I, I, I just had a good friend of mine, um, come to me and he says, Yeah, I wanna work with you on stop smoking, but you know what the doctors want me to. And it’s really one of the only few things I enjoy at this stage in my. and I’m like, Well, you’re not ready.
Mm-hmm. , you know when, when, when you’re ready. And you know, we had a long conversation, but he admitted, you know, he says, No, it’s not gonna work for me because I really don’t want it to, I’m just going with what they’re telling me. Yeah. And so, But he, you know, it was just getting the honesty out of people.
And sometimes, I mean, I, you see that look in the eye and, um, where they click and they know what the truth is. And this goes all the way back to murder suspects, to um, you know, two people sitting in your chair. And it’s just like, there’s a sense of relief. I actually got Christmas cards. From people that I put away from life.
Wow. You know, and, uh, because I was honest with them, I talked to them, I respected them. I never, once what you see on TV is just so disheartening because it’s like, we couldn’t do that. We, you know, No way in the world is someone gonna talk to you when you know you’re beating ’em up and the interview room as you see on tv, Yeah, I.
Rapport 1 0 1 is No, don’t do that. Um, so anyway, so that’s kind of how, which to be fair, that if they put on television hypnosis the way that most of us often end up doing it , that’s a reason why they, there’s a reason why they sense sensationalize it. Well, and police shows. I, I’ve never seen one where they do paperwork.
Yeah. And that’s 90% of the job. Brooklyn 99 does a good job of representing p. . Okay. I stopped. But then again, comedy show, so they’re making fun of it. So, True. So, yeah, so lifelike is funny. Um, anyway, so I started buying the early books and they were kind of cheesy. And I started working, uh, with a few people.
And at that time I was teaching, uh, Marshall Arts. I was in, uh, um, Both Judo and Wishi ru, which is Okal karate, and I was out teaching the martial arts and I was also teaching at the police academy for defensive tactics, what we called at the time and street survival, which was kind of street smart. I actually started, and this was just something I came up with on my own, is after class.
Um, a defensive tactics class. I’d have them lay out on the mat and I’d take ’em through. What we called at that time was a guided meditation, and I’d put them down and we would walk through an armed robbery situation confronting an armed gunman, because rehearsal in your mind is so powerful. Because no one, no, no one should come through there having really done that.
It’s just an abnormal situation, and I’ve got a few letters from people saying, I encountered it on the career. I believe you saved my life. and, um, you know, so that dress rehearsal we called it. So I really, really was into, you know, the power of the mind and how it works and, you know, I was using, um, you know, psycho-cybernetics models and um, and LP and all that.
Then I started getting towards the end of my career at that time, I had, um, I was in charge of uh, uh, I was a captain at that time and I just retired here in January fully. So I was in charge of what we called our critical incident team, which we developed. And it was a group of volunteers that we sent out into the community when like there was a tragic.
Accident where people died, a lot of people died or something. We, we had a terrible, uh, bike accident where someone plowed into a group and killed five people, uh, severely named and nine. Um, and from that we developed this where we sent people out who were trained. Uh, we had a psychologist help lead it.
And so I was, Overall in charge of that and also what we call the critical incidence stress management team. For our own officers, for officers around the community and for firefighters, any first responders after they dealt with a traumatic scene. Now, I never got that when I was, uh, um, I should say growing up because I started police work at 20.
And, uh, I have to laugh today thinking like a 21 year old kid. They gave me a gun and told me to go into people’s homes and solve their problems. It’s almost funny, um, because I just, you know, can’t imagine that, uh, um, I would turn a 21 year old loose, but we did that back then . So I was coming to the end of my career and I started wanting to work with officers and veterans, um, with ptsd.
And I was researching and hypnosis was one of the, uh, most successful modalities for doing this as I was, uh, researching. And so I thought, I’m gonna go into this and that’s going to be my, you know, second career, my twilight career. It’s gonna be doing something, you know, a kind of a outta my heart and outta my, what I love and keeping be in touch with my community.
And, um, So as I did that, I was looking, Okay, where am I going to go for, uh, hypnosis training, not research. And there was a school out west, there’s like three months and you know, residency. And I thought, well, if I can take some vacation and do this in part, uh, I can maybe do this. Uh, and I started listening to podcast and started researching everything going.
And I got, I listened to Mike Mendel’s podcast. Yep. And, uh, so it, and it just clicked with me, Mike’s style and manner and expertise. I thought, well, It’s a lot cheaper to go to Canada for one week. I, I, I can do an intro and I was looking as an intro. I thought I’ll do a week here and see if this is something I like.
I enjoy and, you know, something that I would excel at. And uh, Mike is phenomenal and as far as I’m concerned, he’s hands down. The best instructor I’ve had about knowing the nuts and bolts of all things, uh, hypnosis. Um, you know, I think he’s borderline genius and I’ve had some great instructors and, you know, I always give credit to the great instructors.
Um, but Mike was phenomenal. I, uh, went there and from there, um, one of the members of his tribe, DD Regdos, she says, Hey, you have to come to hypno thoughts. So I come to hypno thought. From hypno thoughts, I retrained all my plans, um, because hypno thoughts kind of. Allowed me to discover that maybe I don’t have to do an institutionalized three months.
There’s people here that, you know, have done other ways, who are doing phenomenal, getting great results. They’re great hypnotist. And so I started just immersing myself into the, uh, um, the whole community. And when I say that I, I mean, I was, uh, um, and I, I think. Coined it as the hypno junkie. Yes. . Yeah. Yeah.
You know, it was like I, Here’s the deal. I was very, very fortunate at work because I had one, I was in charge of a hundred, uh, officer volunteer group called our, our Reserve Division. My former boss, the sheriff had, uh, compensated me for that. You know, it was a guy there adjusting my time or, you know, I got overtime for the event.
Well, we get a new sheriff, nice guy, but you know, he wants to bounce the budget. He says, I can’t pay you for that. So just take it off the, uh, um, you know, just, uh, um, you know, take it time off well. That worked out to about 12 weeks of time off. Towards the end of my car. Yes. Nice, Nice. And I had the ability to immerse myself.
And when I did that, I mean, I went, I, I from, uh, have no thoughts. I went to Melissa Tier, took her basic training or integrated nlp. Um, you know, Steve Rain has conversational and, uh, cigarette smoking. David Snyder, I went to many of his courses. Uh, Don Drew Ferguson, Roy Hunter, Kevin Lay, um, you. Took your courses, attempt my thoughts.
I went to all the conferences and just immersed myself because if I’m gonna do something, I’m going to do it right. What I wanna highlight inside of that too is that here is this moment that you knew. The transition was about to happen and here was this opportunity to incubate even while you were still transitioning out of something that people would often, you know, in terms of that moving from one thing to another.
Think, well, as soon as this wraps up, then I can start something else. But it’s how, I’m assuming that you were able to seamlessly move from one career to. exactly. Um, because I knew that I could do this kind of in my off time and I can do it on my own time. And, um, and very honestly, I worked it in with my, uh, traditional job.
Now I was fortunate that I was the captain’s boss, so, um, you know, I can look at. What our critical incident team is doing, what our critical incident stress management team is doing. I, um, I became in charge again over the defensive tactics or what, um, we call subject control these days for the officers.
And I took over that team and started integrating stress management, stress resilience techniques into the annual training. So I got to get more hands on and started going the direction. Interested me at work and it kind of, you know, uh, gave me a shot in the arm for, you know, going out and having fun doing it.
Um, so curious to ask, I know you did, you had done the s training you had come from other, you know, platforms, other strategies, other uh, modes of change in that environment. Were you calling it hypnosis or presenting it to something else or kind of recognizing that here I’ve been learning a lot of the same ideas, just under different titles, different head.
Well, it depends on who the audience was. Yeah, there you go. Um, I can tell you that working with police officers, um, they are very traditional, very resistant to mind control. I am too smart to be hypnotized. I mean, I’m sure we’ve all heard that. Yes. Um, but, uh, uh, I had an occasion just before I retired, you know, this was, this was such an uplifting occasion.
I was asked to go speak to, um, a group of, uh, Army soldiers. Um, and basically these were, uh, reservists and they were wanted to have information on, uh, what the difference is between carrying concealed pistons and the pistols and the civilian life. As opposed to the military life and what was expected of which, you know, was really great that they got that because the military response and the civilian response to different things and I was in charge of the uh, uh, concealed pistol licensing board.
Um, So at that time, I went and gave a speech to them. It should have been a one hour, uh, thing. It turned out to be three hours. And because they were just such phenomenal young people. I mean, you know, anybody who worries about the future of our nation and you know, the kids today and stuff, believe me, there are some great kids out there and I, I say kids, but they were all between, you know, like, uh, 18 to 25 and, uh, through that and.
Talking about developing the awareness, you know, uh, when you have a weapon, you don’t have the awareness in front of you, behind you. And all this part, part of the things that we worked into, uh, are, uh, street survival tactics. And there, well, how, how do we practice that? You know, how, how do we develop that?
I says, Well close your eyes. . And, and that was about as simple as it was. I says, Look, I do this, uh, other thing, you know, it’s not connected with police work, but if you want to develop this, I’ll run you through a short exercise, um, about how, you know, how to develop some awareness, you know, And it was very simply, you know, notice your left foot.
I don’t notice the person next to you breathing, you know, notice what’s behind you. And I just started taking them through hypnotically and I just wanted to test it. And notice now your head is itching. And, um, you know, once I had like, uh, you know, most of them itching their head. I was like, Okay, I got him.
And, you know, so I, I started really going with it. Now. There was, this was about 300 people and it was pro, it was the largest group demonstration I’d ever done, which was impromptu. And so what I did was, uh, uh, where, um, the, uh, sergeant who had brought me there, he didn’t go, you know, he was standing there by me on the stage and stuff, and he was just like, his eyes were like wide open.
Like, I can’t believe this is going on. But, you know, he was very, um, appreciative. It was so cool. At the end of the, uh, presentation, he took this, uh, painting off the wall of a Mustang, which was their mascot, and he says, We’re making you an honorary, uh, Mustang. And, you know, I got, I got a, a standing ovation.
It, it was great. Just phenomenal, most uplifting thing, you know, Uh, towards the end of my career. I, I can imagine. So, um, great. Yeah. So then moving from there to to the startup phases, are there specific things that you found, uh, a passion of working with in terms of clients coming to an office space? Well, and, and you know, I think we all start with, and so I’ll address it, you know, because I still see, uh, new people getting online and it’s like, how do I find someone to practice with?
How do I, you know, where do I go? And we all know that, you know, working with friends and family, you know, gets real old and they get tired of it. And, uh, usually are not the best people to work with. No, for what it’s worth, I just had a class wrap up that that was kind of the attitude of the husband and then as they were working together, he’s now texting her during class at work going, Honey, honey, it worked.
I’m getting things done . So then coming full circles. If they’re coming in together. Yes. That, that’ll work. Yeah. Yeah. But, but, uh, um, so what I did, and I, I would recommend anybody do this, because to me it was where I wanted to go. Um, I had a champion. In the community, a friend of mine who, uh, was in charge of the local Veteran Affairs and he hooked me up with some veterans with problems and I wasn’t charging money, I was just practicing and very honestly, These can be some crusty old, uh, people, you know, they’re, they’re, uh, they’ll test you.
Um, but I had, you know, having been a cop for a while, I, you know, I, I’d push back a bit. Um, it’s not for the faint of heart if you’re, uh, in this for unicorns and, uh, those types of things. But, you know, I would, uh, sit with them and build rapport. And sometimes that was just going to the VFW and telling stories and, you know, one side the other, and.
But, so then I started with, people were like, Well, can you do this? Can you do that? And I said, Well, you know, here, let me just, uh, make you feel good for a little bit. You know, just start with those, you know, simple things. And pretty soon people would come to me and, or I’d get a call from my friend and he’d say, Well, you know, can you work with this guy?
Can you work with that guy? . And of course if they were true, true, full, blown out ptsd at that time, I would not, I’d refer them out or I would talk to their doctor or things like that because I didn’t feel myself ready at that time because I, I know what that could cause the, the results. Um, so. You know, at this point I feel very comfortable talking to them and, uh, working with them.
But you know, when you’re starting out, that is one of the greatest resources. And some of the, you’ll make some of the greatest friends and hear some of the greatest stories of people who have been there, done that. And they’re gonna be probably the most challenging of, you know, trying to get that rapport with, because, you know, you just walk up and say, Hi, I’m Rick and I can help.
And they’re like, Uhhuh. Um, but you just blend in and find the common ground, build the rapport, and I still work with a lot of them, and those are all just. You know, they’re pro bono. Just, you know, Hey, I’m here, you know? Yeah. I can do this. You know, whatever. Um, you know, I, I’m here for one Crus deal guy. He still won’t, you know, it’s just like, I don’t believe in that stuff.
Mm-hmm. . Uh, but he is funny because, you know, when he hears some that’s got prime me, ah, you need to talk to that guy over there, you know? Um, so, you know, he does have a belief, but he’s not gonna do it. But in all, in all, You know, he was, uh, in his eighties, a businessman. And, uh, you know, I don’t know if he’s got any problems, , mm-hmm.
you know, good guy. Um, but so that’s where I went. And my goal was, my goal was I was gonna start a institution, uh, or a nonprofit. Diagnosis for heroes to work with veterans and officers and, uh, to connect them with a hypnotist and to get them the help they needed, because that’s what I saw. The reality is totally different.
Cops do not want help for a police officer to say, I can’t handle, this is an identity failure. because we’re the ones that are supposed to run in and handle all situations. And for them to say I need help is an identity failure. In very, very few who would come to me. In fact, um, I can count on one hand those that came to me with a real serious, um, you know, uh, depression, PTSD issue that would come to.
For, you know, I, I heard you can do something for concentration, for promotion, you know, or stress relief for a promotion. Yeah. But something more, something more personally attached to the work that they do. Exactly. And, you know, so I, I would work with them on that and again, Those were all pro bons. I mean, you know, these, these were people, you know, in my community that I’ve known and things that have just been, um, you know, uh, I can work with.
And sometimes it’s just grief resolution for, uh, the loss of a loved one and things like that, that they’ll come to me. But for, you know, there’s a thing at work I seen and I can’t handle. They, they don’t wanna deal with it very honestly. Yeah. There’s a nuance, and this may be a one off story of here’s a police officer who came to me that, you know, no issue out, you know, doing the work, no issue out in the field and interactions with other officers, but simply having to stand in court and, you know, give the testify of, in terms of, this is what I saw, this is what I witnessed, this is what we found, and all of that, That that was suddenly posing a challenge.
And it was interesting cuz I, I worked with him and got him through that and the ending feedback was, uh, I’ll generalize it here for obvious purposes, that clearly, uh, there is a, there was a health goal of his that wasn’t his goal. And he goes, You never once brought up this other issue. I go, Yeah, neither did you.
He goes, Well, it’s kinda hard to know that not, you know, And it is very clearly that this habit was a big part of his life cuz you could smell it on him. And I hinting enough things here and you know, for him to actually say, it’s like, you never once told me that I need to come in for that. Like that.
That’s not your goal yet. When it is, you know, you know how to find me and you’ve seen the pile of cigarettes in the corner. So looking at it from, you know, seeing them as they are and not making, I think with any session, br not bringing in that judgment filter of just interacting with the person in terms of where they’re coming in, into the process.
Exactly. Um, I had, I just did a sessional, um, couple weeks ago with a, uh, psychologist. And, uh, fear flying as I took her through the session. And it was interesting because as I brought her out, I know I say brought her out, but you know, I don’t know, we emerged, um, as, uh, she emerged. She, you know, she was cheerful during the, uh, session and everything, but she was like, Oh, I was just like, I knew, had more to do.
I got more issues going with my son. Who’s suicidal. And I was, you know, dealing with that. You know, I was changing everything in the, because I was feeling so good, so right about that. And I, I was just like, We’re not done here. Close your eyes, . And, uh, you know, it was, and, and I took her right back in and, uh, I, I did, um, uh, cause I didn’t have much time, but I did, um, uh, David Snyder’s, uh, spending and, uh, his version of it and some other things.
And I mean, she, she came out and she says that that was like an exorcism. She says, You know, I, you know, I was, uh, I just didn’t expect that. She says, How did you, how did you know? How did you know I needed that? And I said, Well, you kind of told me, but you, you weren’t aware of it. And, uh, um, you know, so she’s been doing great.
And, and, uh, um, so yeah, you, you deal with them where, where they’re at. But every now and then, if, if I can hit something that, and I’m sure you do, if you can hit something that they say, I need this. They’re screaming, I need this, you know, I can do it right there. Let, let’s do it right there. Cuz that’s really what you came in for.
You were lying to me about the other thing, . And she wasn’t lying about your mind. She was just, you know, she wasn’t ready to come to terms with the other part. Well, it’s again, where they come in and what, what’s often the presenting issue is kind of the symptom of something else that’s going on. And there’s ways we can work directly with that issue, but also ways that we can work through that issue.
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So chat with me a bit in terms of just this mindset and I, I’d put it into this context first. I had a police, I had a firefighter as a student one time. Uh, that’s just from day. He just was the rockstar of the class and as he put it, he goes, I’m in a scenario that as soon as I walk in, whatever I say is going to stick, so I might as well say it with as much confidence as possible.
and now is working quite a bit as a full-time hypnotist. Uh, what would you say were some of those elements that came out of the career you were in to now bring into the hypnotic profession that really built that confidence up and really helped it build that as the foundation for a lot of the work that you.
Well, and you, you’re absolutely right that you should take what you have. You know, all of your experiences you’ve amassed. And map over all the successes that you’ve had, Everything that you have, and bring that into your know, your new career or anything you’re doing in life. I always like to find out about my, uh, people’s hobbies and things like that, because that’s the language they speak.
They’ll, they’re, they’re baseball metaphors and sports metaphors that that’s the language they’re going to relate to. And, you know, as a cop, We’re kind of sequestered from society. I mean, it’s, it’s just really, we are, um, people, uh, you know, you go to a party and people say, Oh, there’s a cop, you know, just shut up.
And, you know, all of a sudden you’re kind of like, you know, ostracized. So, you know, you cops hang out with cops and they become more sequestered. It, it, it’s a bad situation, but that’s the way it works. It’s just like no one wants to go to the principal’s office. Um, so. I was able to bring all those experiences of dealing undercover.
All those experiences of dealing, um, with people one on one hypnosis is nothing more than sitting down with someone listening to them. They’ll give you the answers, you know, they, they speak well enough, they will give you the answers, and then, and tramped just convincing them that, you know, those are the answers they.
Uh, on, on simple terms, it’s kind of that simple, uh, because we really need to listen to them. Uh, I don’t remember which instructor told me this, but I, it was, uh, um, so there may have been in a book, uh, but the words we use are nothing more than symbols of what’s going on in the mind. And so those exact words have to be used.
I’ve heard it about through many instructors. But very few people put it in the terms of symbols. It’s a symbolic representation. So I use a lot of metaphors and symbolic representations in, uh, um, talking to people conversationally and in session because that’s what they relate to. And I, I love to keep them in a related, uh, state, because that’s, as we know.
Pretty much bypassing the critical factor. Uh, if you’re telling the story, The Wizard of Oz, but you’re doing the therapy right inside the session. That’s, I very often do that. I take, my entire practice is called Changes Ahead Hypnosis. Okay. And it’s, you know, the whole idea of changing things ahead, you know, we’re going on a journey.
When you come into my office, it’s an immersive journey. I haven’t gone the Skype route yet because I don’t know how I can bring what I do. Onto a computer. Mm-hmm. , I know people are getting results. Um, but when you come into my office, I have five rooms. One of them looks exactly like a, um, a. A, uh, doctor’s office.
I have, I have an antique exam table in there. I have . I have the weight scales, I have the dip diplomas on the walls. This looks exactly like a doctor’s office. This is where I do the energy work, like tapping and things like this. There’s a little acupuncture chart on the wall, and I’m looking for, Authority to prime the people.
And I’m also looking for, you know, to get them into a whole different, you know, pattern interrupt their whole when they walk in the door. Uh, and you probably went to Ken Goos office. . Yes. And so I have five offices and you start in talking to me and then a room where, um, you have, uh, um, watch a television and I’m rechanging the whole, uh, process in there.
Uh, then I have the, what I call the exam room where the energy room, where we do the tapping and anything else along that nature. And for weight loss clients and things like that, you go in there and the scales and everything else in there is just so I gives that authority. I have. The traditional room where the nice, you know, lounge and, uh, nice oak chair and, but I, everything on the, I have one wall that has all my, uh, badges from when I worked, um, some, oh God.
Let’s see, what have I got here? You know, just some plaques and credentials. The key to the city that I got when I retired. Um, and, uh, because I’m trying to build the idea of safety. You know, for a lot of people, especially female clients, they, they want feel comfortable and safe. You know, they have to feel the safety.
So I like to project that. I like to let them know, you know, you’re in a safe environment, Things are gonna go, but things are different here. You know, I have a stop sign I hold up. Um, you know, if they’re talking too much, . Um, when I get them. And for those of you that haven’t spent any time around, uh, around Rick, I’d say that knowing Rick holding up the stop sign, I’m sure they smile when you do that well.
Exactly, yes. I’m,
you know, just let me, uh, tell you a little bit about as they come out of the process, I, My last name’s green, right? Mm-hmm. , So Rick Green. So I use a very color coded, um, type of process and build into like the session, you know, first stop smoking. Red, you know, means stop. You’re gonna see the stop sign when you see the stop signs.
This will enhance all the suggestions today. And you know, the whole pattern that goes around that, right? Green means go. When you see green, it means go for the things you want. Go for the wife you wanted, go for all those things you told me in the beginning, you know, the breathing easier on it. Uh, yellow is the color of the sun, blah, blah, blah.
It’s also the color traffic, uh, lights. But I don’t tell them that. Um, Just at the end of the session, I’ll tell them, you know, I wanna reward you for all the great work you’ve done here. Everybody needs to feel the say state of relaxation. So just stay here and just for a few moments, enjoy the relaxation.
Just I want you to meld into any sound. You more sound you hear. We’ll just take you deeper in the relaxation because it’s a wonderful feeling. Inventory the wonderful feeling cuz you deserve that. You earned it. Um, I get a. and I plaster. I don’t wanna say the entire walls, but I got about five big no smoking signs.
Yeah. When they come out of the room, they’re gonna hit these red no smoking signs. When they come out of the room, they’re going to step onto a rug. That is a stop sign. And then I have them step onto the rug where they’re still in a state of hypnosis and I talk to ’em about the re, you know, just amplifying that red that you are going to stop, you stop.
They’re gonna look right at the sign that says no U-turns. Um, you know, there are no U-turns, you can’t go back. You know, you, you know, once you take the next step, you can’t go back. Then they step onto a yellow R, then they step onto a green rock. Um, you know, and I take ’em through it again, you know? Feel that column of energy, you know, permeate your body and all this.
When, when they walk out of here, well, they’re still kind of in a day’s state. When they walk out my door, I walk ’em all the way to the car all the time because my last suggestion to them is, you’re gonna drive safe and you know you are a fo alert, falling, awake, and all this. You had a wonderful experience because I guess as a old traffic cop, All about safety and liability.
You know, my past job, I was sued several times, you know, never, they never won. But, um, the, uh, I’m very liability conscious. Yes. So I, I, I take them through this whole hypnotic journey. Well, what’s beautiful about that is, again, framing the entire space the way that, you know, I, I leave my classroom set up all the.
And they’re coming in. There’s often video equipment set up as everything works. Smart hypnosis that I do and everything is just building the environment. That this is the place where people come to learn. This is the place that people come to change and, and it’s these elements that are hypnotic in nature that are strengthening all the work that we do.
That one of the filters I keep coming back to are what are the methods we can put on already effective methods? How do we stack the success in such a way that we’re taking strategies that we all know work and just make them work even better? Exactly. And I, I remember you saying that in the class and you know, it’s like anything I can do in my session to, you know, just leverage a little bit more.
I want them to walk out with phenomenal results. Mm-hmm. . And, uh, um, one, one thing I did is we’re talking about that, is I’ve gotten one wall with a lot of diplomas up on it. Now I’ve read the online forums and people like, Oh, you know, people don’t care about your diplomas and all that. No, they don’t. But studies show that, um, it does give a sense of legitimacy.
People feel more confident when they see a lot of diplomas. They feel like they’re dealing with a professional. So I took, you know, my best looking diplomas and I put them on one wall. And I, I guess one thing I would tell anybody who’s like teaching and giving out diplomas, there were some diplomas of classes I thought were phenomen.
But the diploma just doesn’t look good. So, you know, the ones I used were the ones that are gonna impress the clients, not me. Um, and they weren’t where I learned the most, but they looked good hanging on the wall. Um, you know, and it’s not, we used to call ’em in the, um, police work. We called it the I Love Me wall
I remember one detective, whoever, Wall candy as I say, What’s that? Wall candy, as I say. Oh, okay. I, I remember one detective, he had a, uh, plaque. You know, I took a one day auto theft school in 1966 that was still on his wall. I was like, Wow, . But, uh, yeah, so that’s, that’s how the journey through the office is, and I like to get exceptional results.
I, I like to make sure my clients get exceptional results and I, I like to charge well for the exceptional results, but I’ll work with people who. You know, don’t have the funds or whatever, if they truly, truly want to work. And sometimes that’s barter and, um, you know, I’ve had people do yard work for me.
Um, it’s just like, okay, you know, it’s like this isn’t free. What can you do? And that’s when you find out if they’re really serious. Right. The same as I’ve, I’ve pointed people to different charities in terms of here’s a group you can go volunteer at for a couple of hours. They’ll give you a piece of paper, then come in, then we’ll get to work.
Wonderful. Which sadly, and so many have not followed through with that, but still putting the option out there. And if you have, so you know, it’s the phrasing that, um, sometimes there are those moments of working with those who can pay for those who. . Uh, and this also, I mean, places where there’s relationships with different doctors that they refer some wonderful clients and then occasionally call and say, I’m sending you this one.
They’re not paying me. And it’s strengthening the relationship for everybody and benefiting this person who’s definitely a need for that. Uh, tell us, tell us about the class you’ve got coming up in August. Okay. Well, through all my experiences, uh, in police work and hypnosis and, uh, uh, just my life experiences, I’m teaching a, uh, one day class of, uh, pre-conference at Hyp Thoughts.
And, uh, let me just give a plug one for hyp thoughts as one of the, uh, Best conferences, uh, every hyp aian go to that. Uh, and also the biggest values there are the pre and the post conferences because you have the top names in the, uh, professions coming and giving classes for, you know, Penny’s on the dollar for what you’d have to pay to go to.
And so I think everybody should do the pre and post conferences. All every conference I go to, I take advantage of that. Um, class I’m doing is on how to develop confidence. What I noticed was there are a lot of hypnotist, hyp thoughts, other, uh, conferences online. And they just don’t have the confidence to, It’s like, well, you know, I, I, this didn’t work and I, you know, I feel bad about it.
And how do I get up in public speaking? I’m well, confidence is where we begin. And if you don’t have the confidence, every client, if you came in to a just office and they just says, Well, I’m gonna try this and so let’s, let’s see if it works. Um, you’re not gonna have a lot of confidence in it. Um, I’m taking some of the experience and through my martial arts experience and what I was taught from, uh, uh, my own Sanga war, uh, and bringing all that experience into how you can build a state of confidence, but it’s more than a state of confidence.
It’s, uh, uh, Sano Gospel water. I call it notion. Notion, which means the mind of no mind. Um, it’s a very zen Japanese concept, and it means that you’re in just a state of total awareness. You’re, you’re awareness, you know, you’re, you’re not focusing on anything. It’s that zen state where you’re just doing, and that’s where we want to get in confidence, because it’s not as much an attitude.
I mean, anyone. Fake. You know, you hear it, fake it until you make it. And that’s some pretty good advice on certain things. But when you are that, be that person and you can be that person by being in a zone. Um, and I’m gonna kill the name, but it was like a Russian, uh, Mitch. Okay. Or something like that. He wrote flow.
If you look up the book flow and it’s mean that state of flow, that that mind of no mind And, uh, my, uh, wishy root car instructor, um, in our dojo, we had, Oh, you’re doing your CO and you’re looking right into this tiger. And, uh, so I had discussions with him and he was like a 10th on and, uh, just great guy, great guy.
Um, and he talked again about, you know, the mind of the tiger is much more important, the eyes. It sees through and people, you know, the, I think the eye of the tiger had come out then Rocky, and he’s not the mind of the tiger. You know, the tiger’s in total awareness, total awareness, you know, the eyes are just where it’s going.
And if you can bring that state that, you know, the state of being confident, where, you know, in our terms, we just say, simply say, I’ve got this. Mm-hmm. , I’ve got this. And, uh, one, one of my best examples of that was, uh, I was in charge of the jail, uh, captain of the jail at one time, and, uh, someone was found hanging.
Uh, they were still struggling and all the officers were, uh, running to hold him up. And, uh, then one was running to get what we called the cut down knife because we have a spectral knife that you don’t wanna carry around in a. Correction facility, uh, but to cut ’em down from, uh, uh, when they’re hanging and, uh, one officer and he’s about six foot five, looked like Superman, and he just walks in and goes, I got this
And he just took the Jeep and shredded it apart, you know, and brought the guy down. Um, you know, it’s just that state of, I got this, I can do this. I, you know, um, I can handle this. . What we don’t do, what we do not do is we do not give ourselves permission to be competent. When we start out, we do not give ourselves permission to say it’s okay to screw up a little bit.
It’s okay to, uh, be, uh, you know, not get it right the first. And that’s where a lot of us are just like, Well, I gotta be perfect. You know, My, uh, my mentors were perfect. So I want to be at that state. Now, I’m sure you’ve seen the matrix of, you know, unconsciously competent comp, you know, consciously competent.
Going from through that? Well, we all start at that, you know, unconsciously, unconscious, that we don’t, we don’t know what we don’t know. And then it’s like, okay, well, you know, now I know what I don’t know, but I wanna do it. Well, that’s where we begin and sometimes we need to be confident that right there, at that point we’re doing it the right way, you know?
And if we don’t, we correct and move on, but we’re competent at that point. Once you get. Everything else is just going up. So in in my class, I’m gonna, there’s actually gonna be five, um, in class sessions we’re gonna go through. I’m gonna teach a method of self hypnosis that I use, um, and, uh, I find it very powerful because I have yet to meet the person who has self hypnotized themselves to forget their name.
You know, just , you know, you know, we, we can self hypnotize and, and we, that does great work. But I have yet to meet the person who says, Oh, I can’t remember my name. Because we get in the way of ourselves in self hypnosis. We, you know, we can’t, you can’t be the hypnotist in the subject at the same time. So I’ll be dealing with how to, you know, bypass that.
Um, and I, they, they get like a 60 day workbook on some of these things. Now it’s immersive for the person. We’re gonna have activities, we’re going to have, you know, demonstrations, We’re gonna have sessions, we’re gonna have a lot of different things. But the most, uh, important thing is they can take this to their clients because how many clients have you had, they can’t use the confidence.
Yeah, I mean, there’s one little that on a, there’s one little pattern that I’ve often been using with clients at days and the, the theme of simply decide that, you know, you, you can put a hypnotic suggestion on top of everything that we’ve done, that you can decide that this is a turning point. That you can decide that this is gonna be that catalyst rather than being another thing, like everything else you’ve done so far that you can take this and you’ve already felt this experience and here’s where you can go, which is really just taking that moment and letting them take on that confidence that really is there and letting it rise to the surface.
Oh, exactly. Exactly. And, and we, we have all the techniques of mapping over past, uh, experiences, uh, future pacing, um, you know, nonexistent, uh, uh, things we’ve done and all that. But, um, we, we can do it in a lot of different ways. One of, uh, the ways I, I, I use time distortion. I also do a, uh, looping technique where, um, you know, if.
If you remember the cassettes and the auto playback, you know, they just run forever. You know, if you’d group it and, uh, you know, give them some direct suggestions that you know, now, shrink that down into a group and, you know, tuck that away in the back of your head and allow that to play forever. You know, until you don’t need it anymore, you’ll know when, you know I’ve got this, When you’ve got this that’s done for you, um, and you know, or you may let that pipe forever, it’s up to you.
Um, so you use a lot of different ways to get around people’s modalities and their, their individualism and um, what I love is everybody that comes in is an individual challenge. Um, the class will give instructions on how to handle different types of individuals and also give the, uh, participants a, uh, lot of different ways to handle some of their own, uh, challenges.
Uh, but most importantly, it’s gonna be a fun class. I mean, you know, I, I don’t like to do anything unless it’s fun, . So, you know, we’re, we’re gonna have fun at this. Well, it’s been fun having you on here, and I’ll link over to the, the class coming up in the show notes [email protected] though.
Where can people check out your local business? Okay. I am in the process of, uh, redoing a, uh, um, the website. I just got into my office actually just, uh, um, finished furnishing it, uh, the way I want and, uh, but it’s changes ahead hypnosis.com. I’ve got the website and, uh, the, uh, it should be up before him with us.
Awesome. Well, Rick’s been great having you on here. I see you. . Okay, great. Thanks, Jason.
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