Session #184: Kazi Anam on the Hypnotic Prescription

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This is the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast, session number 184 Kazi Anam on the hypnotic prescription. Welcome to the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast with Jason Lynette, your professional resource for hypnosis training and outstanding business success. Here’s your host, Jason Lynette. So it’s an interesting experience when you find yourself sitting in the audience of a presentation at a hypnosis convention and first and foremost, really enjoying the presentation.

And then here comes the handout with some useful resources to make use of, and you’re learning. But then there’s the contact information, and sometimes that’s the moment where I find myself impulsively sending a message over to the speaker. During their presentation that reads, Please use this link to schedule yourself on my podcast.

I’m really enjoying your talk. And there you go. That’s your official introduction to Kazi Anam. Dr. Aam and I met at the NG Convention back in August, 2018, giving a presentation on working with. Clients with issues concerning public speaking. One of the main themes that we’re gonna be talking about during this dialogue here today, not just the how do you get those people into your office, but also some of the mechanisms and some of the, uh, methods of actually working with them to resolve that issue.

And more importantly as well, positioning yourself in such a way that you’re demonstrating that knowledge, helping to inspire that change. And again, using that as the mechanism to help even more people. So if you head over to the show [email protected], track down this specific episode to see all the links and resources that we reference.

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Well, Uh, actually, I, um, uh, was exposed to hypnosis when I was like 16. As a matter of fact, I, um, just joined the, uh, debate club in the college. And in my first debate, I’m a very good debater, but in my first debate, I developed East States, right? Mm-hmm. . So I started to do research. At the time, we did not have the internet

Yeah. So I had to go and read the Nlo Ofan, and I found a article on H. The next thing was to find one. And at the time I was in, uh, right now it is Bangladesh, but at that time it was p. So I found one, uh, guy who was really good hypnotic, and it, he was refered by my uncle. Mm-hmm. . And, uh, he worked with me for about three weeks.

And, uh, at the fourth week I came back and, uh, I had no fear at all. And I realized the power of hypnosis and then. I went back to him, I asked him that look, yeah, he did such a great thing on me. I like to learn, uh, so that I can use it for my other activity, like taking tests. He’s staying calm when I’m doing other stuff.

And he started to teach me and that got me interested in hypnosis. But then he died down. I had nothing to do with this. Mm-hmm. , I just, uh, practice on some friends, some family members. And I used to be a fan and eventually I became, I came to this country basically to finish my PhD in pharmacy. So as I’m, I finished here PhD, my goal was to go back and take over our family’s, uh, businesses, but the freedom in this country get me.

Yes, I stayed here and eventually. Went in, um, hospital, pharmacy and then down the road in private sector. But then in the back of mind, hypnosis popped up as I’m almost, um, into the pharmacy practice for about 25, 30 years. Mm-hmm. , I realized that this is kind of, Superficial work because what? What medication?

We give a lot of these things. Really, we are not solving the problem. Like pH stems. If somebody’s coming for anxiety, they’re doctors prescribe the Xanax and whatnot. But these are all temporary bandaid. We are not going to the root cause. Yeah. So in, I started to, um, uh, think about then, you know, what I should be doing.

Then at one point I decided, no, I should be going into the, uh, naturopathic medicine and hypnosis. I completed naturopathic medicine and, uh, certification in hypnosis, and I started practicing. And before I know it, I became very, very well known, uh, especially my. Towards anxiety. Uh, the basic things I do, you know, like, uh, shopper smoking, weight loss, the usual thing.

Mm-hmm. But 50% of my client come for, uh, anxiety issues because I specialize in that. Yeah. Whether it is anxiety with, uh, publicly speaking anxiety with, you know, like, uh, the generalized anxiety and. Yeah, I wanna, I think can, Yeah. Yeah. And we tend to bounce around, uh, throughout this conversation that there’s something that you said early on that I wanna expand on here, which is that, coming from that experience with debate, um, what would you say where Michael Ner would talk about soft skills, What would you say it was from that experience in debate that perhaps helped you prepare for this career in h.

Okay, so basically when I saw the power of hypnosis mm-hmm. , that can really transform a person, uh, into a entirely, uh, different because, you know, like if it was not hypnosis, I don’t think I would have the opportunity to be on the stage. Uh, is stage. We speak in front of groups as much as I could. Yes. So I saw the power and that’s the power is stayed, uh, within me.

And also I utilize hypnosis for other, um, things like test anxiety and this stuff. So basically what really influenced me is that idea that our mind is really powerful and hypnosis can, uh, utilize that power within. Yeah, no, cuz I flash to, there’s a story that comes. Uh, it comes from Roy Hunter’s teaching that he, he referenced learning the parts therapy model that he does from Charles Tets and the original Tets was that Tets would at times begin to actually debate with the various parts when Roy’s phrasing is that, well I find it’s a little bit more of a mediation the way that he does it.

Um, do you ever find there’s those moments, Cause I know you do make use of hypnotic age regression and there is interaction within your sessions. Um, is there some sort. Mindset, skill or ability that kind of came from that debate world that helped you to better prepare for working with these clients interactively?

Yes, absolutely. Since I had my, as I ask, extremely leading as I ask an extremely leading question there, . Yeah, I know since it came, uh, out of my own experience. And there is nothing like when you experience something you. Then it is a lot easier to, you know, like, uh, to deal with that. Mm-hmm. and also communicate with the clients, you know, exactly where they’re at.

Yeah. So coming from that experience of having let go of the fears, having let go of the challenges yourself, uh, I, is there a story of. Working with a client that comes to mind that really helps to, to illustrate to, to point this out. Yeah, definitely. Um, I can talk about, uh, uh, many clients, but it’s first, let’s go with publicly speaking.

Mm-hmm. . So I had worked with one client. His issue seems like that something happened in his school time. He was a lawyer and during his high school years, He was bullied and he distinctly remembered during the session, one of the guys spit on his face mm-hmm. and he was reacting as if, uh, he was actually in that, uh, situation.

So I had to really calm him down. And after that, once I neutralized that he was, After that, you know, like he was able to deliver it in the court because his problem was that every time he entered the uh, courtroom, he could not deliver it as if somebody kind of did something like a spell. And for attorney, if he cannot deliver it, it’s difficult.

Yes. So once he neutralized that event from his life, it was fine. So that was a very distinct, uh, memory with one of my clients. You know, many client that I’ve seen whenever they experienced something in their childhood that he stayed on. I’ll tell you about another client. Yeah. He, uh, came from the film industry is pretty high up.

In there, but he said that I can go even higher, but something is blocking me. And while I was exploring and he was not, he even did not remember this while I was doing the AIDS possession, he started to crying. I said, What happened? He said, My father picked me up and threw me in against the wall. And he said, uh, in my life, I not be now not be able to do anything in my life that I’m so stupid that he does not think that I’ll be able to do anything in.

So I had to help him to remove that blockage because, uh, at that time, I think he was nine or eight, I don’t know what it is, but that created that, uh, blockage in his mind. Mm-hmm. in his mind, he thought that he’s stupid. So whenever he tried to do something bigger than where he was, it was not possible for him.

Yeah. Yeah. So what I, what I, what I love about this is that ability to really interact with the client and also. Bring them to the other side of something that, you know, public speaking is one of those categories that I’d imagine, uh, most of the people that I’d see for that are actually entrepreneurs.

They’re not necessarily, Yes, I see the employee, the person kind of trying to rise up throughout the ranks of their business. Uh, but so often it brings in that self starter that’s really looking to revitalize and sharpen their skills. Build something of their own too, right? Because basically, if you look at now, most of the careers, if someone cannot communicate well mm-hmm.

if someone cannot do this type of performance, their income is going to be 15% and to 15% lower than other people. And sometimes many. Do not like to, um, take a promotion if they feel, Um, one of the Google review that I received from one of the client that I did this person was actually declining a upward movement of position chest, the fear of public speaking.

So once I helped her with the public is speaking to build that position, and now she has done very, very, So this is very, very interesting that even employees need that. Yeah, absolutely. What I love too is, this is part of why I heard you speak at the NG convention back in, uh, August, 2018, and it was coming from that experience of, from the pharmaceutical world over to the hypnosis world.

Uh, chat with me a bit on that transition. Yes, the transition. Very, uh, difficult because for me, not from me, all my friend thought I was going nuts. Mm-hmm. , you know, like, uh, they say, Ha, you have a running build practice and uh, you are giving this up and we don’t know what you’re going to do. And now they’re envious of me because I’m coming out of his schedule.

Uh, six. Uh, 9:00 AM to 7:00 PM uh, even if it was my practice, but I have to be there. Mm-hmm. , uh, if I’m not there, I have to find another license pharmacist to put them there. And now I can make my own schedule. The days that I don’t want to work, I don’t want to come to the office, go to a beach, you know, it’s like, enter.

From the lifestyle aspect and on the other side. Just think about it. When I’m talking to a client here and making their change in life after a few sessions, the gratitude from them, the family, I could not get that in the pharmacy practice. That is impossible because at that time of, obviously I’m serving the.

But it is not as much personal as it is. Yeah. Cause I remember one of the client that I helped with alcohol, the whole family sent me a very nice card signed by the wife, the children that basically, um, somehow since I helped him with the alcohol, the marriage is saved, the children and the families together and he got his job back because he was suspended from the.

Because of drinking. So hypnosis actually can play a big role because, you know, like whether you work with stopping smoking, think about quit smoking, which is very simple. I think thousands of um, uh, I every day have someone to quit smoking. Mm-hmm. , but in pharmacy life, have not seen that. Yeah. I’ve seen people come in for patches.

Gums give month after month, year after year, still smoking. And statistically it is about five to seven per five to 7% of the people can quit with gum steal or catches. But with te notice, even in my practice, I see that with one session, about 75, 30% will quit 20% because I have a system that I have them send me a text every single day for 10 days once I do a session after that, once a week.

Yeah. Tell me about that. So what, what’s the strategy there? Yeah. So instead is like, they’re going to send me a text every single day and I tell them honest, you know, like, Exactly. Tell me what is happening with you. Mm-hmm. , and this is my, uh, interesting feedback that I see about 60 tools, about 60% plan don’t have that much craving.

Those who are able to visualize the. Other ones have some craving and a small percentage have lot of craving, and sometimes when that happens, they fall through, they will just smoke. Then I schedule them like maybe two sessions in the same week to get rid of their, uh, hang up. And there is a small percentage, they don’t seem to quit in that first, uh, instance.

Mm-hmm. . And then they come back after three months, they’re ready. And then the. So the idea is hypnosis no matter what that, uh, with hypnosis, people can actually quit smoking, but with the gums and patches and other staff, just seven to 8%, and yet the government is spending, uh, millions of dollars on them.

I know they want to help them, but I don’t think is really working well. I mean, it’s, we’re looking at it from. You know, with anything, we, we start with one specific path, and then I, I love the phrase, just because you’re good at something doesn’t mean you have to do it the rest of your. That’s correct.

That, that here’s something that you had found. There was a bit of a calling, a bit of an interest in, and then found out to use your ing of it, that, you know, some of these aspects were a bit of a bandaid as opposed to, well, here’s something I can do, which, uh, to, to rewind it back, uh, you know, there’s that time where you were doing hypnosis is 16 years old.

Uh, can you remember anything specific of that, of that session that still kind of stands out? Yeah, the. Most, uh, uh, convinced me while I was there. He was doing that. Um, I lead locking Yes. And I was 16. I was more convincing and I, it was easy for me to go into that phase that it was difficult for me to open my eyes.

Mm-hmm. , I was thinking, Geez, this guy has so much power. I went to be power with I team . Yeah. Which I love that aspect of, again, bringing in the, bringing in the magic of the process, that here’s something that. Not usually what happened, but suddenly, Damn. Okay. Yeah. We’re there now. . Yeah. Because when he said, Now you can, and now you know, uh, you, no matter how much hard you try, he cannot open.

Your eyes tried. I tried and it was difficult and I could recommend, uh, open it. I said, Wow. He must be, uh, very powerful man. That’s thought I had. So I said to myself, I have to learn this power from him. And I ask him, How give you learn this power? So whenever I work with any children now I make sure they have some of this kind of, because, uh, I do see a lot of clients.

Uh, as a matter of fact, right now I’m working with three, uh, young, uh, people. They’re having some issues with the, uh, going to this school. As a matter of fact. Uh, one 14 year old. I’m working now, uh, don’t want to go to school because of fear. Mm-hmm. And his fear is that what other people are thinking of him, um, somehow he does not have any friend in this school.

So he’s very lonely and he’s worried what other students are thinking of him. And he has low self image. Mm-hmm. . So with all these things creating a, uh, barrier that he’s unable to lose, I’ll be working on him to see what really caused this problem. Cuz a few things that I found, one of them was he was bullied and also at 1.1 of the teacher was very, uh, negative on.

Because a lot of these teachers, sometimes they mean well, but they don’t know exactly how to express their feeling, so they damage students too, which is unfortunate. It can happen anywhere. It can happen at home where they can hear a lot of times that you is stupid, you amount to nothing. Sometimes they can hear comparison between siblings, which is very common.

Oh, your brother is way better than you. You cannot do it like your brother. You’ll never do it like your brother. Or your sister is way better than you. You can never catch up your sister. Mm-hmm. . But if it is, if it is saved before the age of um, uh, 10, when we really don’t have the conscious mind, it goes in the subconscious mind.

Totally. And that’s what they actually subconsciously believe that they cannot do anything. Well, you hit on something there that I’d love to chat with that. Do you find moments where that initial moment doesn’t necessarily have to be before that age of 10, where it happens much later in. It can happen much later, uh, at life.

Sometimes it can happen even when they’re like, like sometimes I do work with, uh, executives. They tell me that happened doing fine. But in my last speaking I suffered some kind of anxiety attack. Yeah. Like I was working with a very senior executive, you know, like about three months before he has to do international meeting.

Like almost every week. And now he’s having a panic attack because what has happened, something trigger guard, some type of a panic attack in one of his meeting and now he cannot be stay in meeting. He has to sometimes think, uh, he stop the meeting in the middle and go in the bathroom, wash his face and come back.

He’s still, his heart is beating. So it can happen at any point, but it is more pronounced I think when they’re really, um, under 20, you know, between. The age up to 20. It is very convincing. A lot of them, uh, they get it very quick, but it can happen at any age. Well, I bring someone doesn’t know how to block.

Yeah, Yeah. Well, there’s moments where there’s a very clear line in terms of the story, and I’ll, I’ll generalize this out of respect, but there is a, um, uh, respect still to you, but respect to the person who was, uh, being quoted here, that it was someone who was well known in the. And the regression world and was very much sort of one of the big pioneers of find the ise and here’s the story behind it.

And if you don’t find, if you don’t get the change, it means you didn’t get, actually get the ise. And it’s where before this person passed away a little while ago, uh, in a Facebook group. Suddenly posted the statement of, eh, if I find a reasonable story to branch off of, I’ll do the regression off of that.

It’s more about the metaphor of the experience than the magical seed. And I, I read that and went, Oh wow, , because it’s where there’s suddenly the Godfather changed his mind to say it politely. Uh, but there’s places where, you know, there, there, I, I found, Tell me if you’ve had this experience, cuz I. My whole stance on hypnosis is that these are all tools.

These are all techniques, and it’s not the magic of the technique, it’s how it’s put to use. So as, as much as I may make use of hypnotic age regression, here’s someone who comes in that running, you know, some sort of reframing technique, some sort of fast phobia cure, some sort of collapsing anchor, something.

Other than a regression can get a similar response. Um, here’s a person who had come in and the experience was that he’s this lawyer that was put into this, uh, unfortunate situation of, Oh, Bill’s not in today. Frank, you do the closing arguments on this case. To which of course he had not been on that case.

And of course, crashed and burned and was now having these panic attacks going into the courtroom ever since then. And so branching off of that recent experience, which yes, that may have been a reiteration of something from many, many, many years ago, um, but again, to look at this process as you know, all these moving pieces, all these tools, and it’s again, how we put them, how we put them in use.

Let me ask you this, Are there moments where. Specifically make the choice not to go after the age regression? Yes. Right now I’m working with one client, so, uh, I did not want to deal with age regression with her because she told me from the age of two she was basically, uh, on the street. Mm-hmm. having her horrible, you know, like, uh, childhood.

So I decided not to do the regression, but other techniques to get it. This stuff, especially I, I found one very interesting thing, uh, because, uh, one day I did do this with one client who I did not want to do education. I said, Okay, I’m going to do a blanket removal of. Lot of negative emotions from your, uh, life.

So what I said to her after, if not, I told her that I’m going to do, uh, two stuff today. First I’m going to do the regular programming. After that, I’ll get it off all the negative emotions from the time you’re born until now. Mm-hmm. . So what I said to her, that. I did a FRA after the first session. I mean, in first part I did a fractionation and did some deepening.

After that, I told her now, like you to imagine a white feeling, light is entering through your head. It is moving through each and every part of your body. If there is any negative emotion from the time you’re born, anywhere in your body, in your mind, it is going to now remove them gradually from you and whatever memory.

Uh, the lesson will stay with you, but the negative emotions will start to leave. And after this session says, Hey, you know, when you say that I, I actually felt the white tilling light is moving in my body. It is pushing all those things out of my body, totally outside, and I certainly feel very, very calm and very light.

So I use that sometimes as a metaphor that the white tilling light is pushing all the junk out of your body. Into the atmosphere. It is gone and it does help. Yeah. I guess whatever people accept. Right? Well, I mean it’s that flexibility of the process and um, yeah. I’d love to chat on this. Um, you know, I know that one of your specialties is working with public speaking.

How is it you go about getting those clients. How I get these clients? Yes. Okay. How do they find in the beginning? Uh, in the beginning I used to do a lot of speaking here and there, and now I think it is coming some from Google, some from, you know, referrals. And that’s what is happening now. I’m doing less talking, but I’m getting more of these clients at this moment.

Mm-hmm. , uh, from Google and also some, you know, But I do speak, you know, like, I’m not gonna say I don’t speak at all. Every opportunity that I get, I do speak, whether it is, um, in a group they invite me or whether a corporation they invite invite me. I do speak whenever I get the opportunity. Yeah. And when you’re there speaking, are you speaking on, uh, I kind of lead you on this question.

Are you doing like a general, uh, what is hypnosis or are you going in and presenting something specific to the topic of speak? Uh, right now I’m doing mostly hypnosis. Yeah. But sometimes they, you know, like, uh, invite me to do something on, uh, pharmaceutical world as well. Mm-hmm. because, um, I’m part president to two societies in that group.

Sometimes they do only for that, but I do, uh, occasionally turn in this portion as well. . Once they figure it out and go, Wait a minute, we can get this instead. . Right. So basically, um, uh, I’ll tell you about my first experience when I became certified in this uh, country and I got my first client, this client actually came in for mental blockages.

Mm-hmm. . Um, success because mental block, its because, uh, cannot seem to do anything that wants to do in life. Like from here, uh, kind of blocked in one place. So I say to myself, Wow, uh, let me see, let me dig little bit, uh, where we go from here. So that was interesting. Uh, first client that I saw on success and.

and I have helped this person to really move the blockages, and I did use some of the age generation, uh, when I did that because I, One thing I understood that a person cannot become fully successful if. Certain fears are not removed. One is fear of failure. Yeah. And the other one is fear of success.

Because I did have very interesting, very few interesting clients who actually was fear of, you know, like fearful of success and that was holding them down because fear of failure is very, very common. Almost everyone, you know, like I would say, have some type of fear and which is good because fear is to protect us because they don’t want to go into.

Crazy world of business because a lot of times people burn everything, you know, like, uh, lose their shirt if they don’t have a good strategy. So, which is good, but then when it is overwhelming, which is the most case, that’s why most people cannot be entrepreneur because they cannot think of the life without a paycheck.

But fear of success is a problem too. So I did work with this person. This person was afraid if they did this, their lifestyle will change so much and they will be not comfortable. Yeah. So they may not want to live the comfort zone, and so they limited their life. But on the other side, she was yearning to become the person other than what she is.

Yeah. So once I get rid of that fear of success, that she can actually, uh, take care of a bigger role. At the same time control her, you know, like family life too. It is possible to create a balance. Sometimes they see that if have to travel a lot, maybe I cannot do this. And sometimes the traveling can be avoided also.

It is possible, uh, with many different ways. So that brings up. That brings up a beautiful nuance though, that, you know, here might be a person that, and, and not even just the hypnosis community, um, someone in any modality could have worked with that, with that person. And if the issue was fear of public speaking and could have done a great job of clearing the fear, but instead to look at the ecology of the issue around it.

I mean, I flash to a woman who I worked with, um, and I’m very rare to go to the category of secondary gate. I think in most cases it’s. Thrown around too easily as opposed to just being more flexible. But just by opening up that calibration, here’s a woman that was in my office years ago for fear of flying and yet when she dropped the statement, well, you know, but my kids are homeschooled and uh, my husband teaches them cuz he runs an online business too.

And if I have a day where I don’t fly somewhere, I get to stay home from work that day and we turn it into a family. . So she’s got this amazing benefit of not working that day because now she gets to have this more time with her family. They turn it into a fun day, and here’s this carrot that’s being dangled at the end of the stick.

That until we find better ways to satisfy that, that fear of flying really wasn’t gonna go much of anywhere. . That’s true. That is true. So, Uh, we create these things for us, and here, here’s your person who could have been wonderfully confident in public speaking, but until that fear of actually succeeding at it was, was cleared away, not much would’ve probably shifted.

Right. Right. So basically, um, uh, another thing, you know, like, uh, especially. They see the new hyp notice, they’re a little bit scared because, you know, we all have been new at one point. We went through that, uh, feeling. The interesting thing is that a lot of times the client that you are working with, they have no clue.

So if you make a mistake, you don’t have to announce that you may. Mistake of something, you just move on , they have no clue what you’re doing. It’s only a mistake if you say the word. Whoops, . Right. And I had another interesting, uh, experience because I do work with a lot of, uh, partner, you know, like, uh, hardheaded CEOs, right?

Mm-hmm. So one day, one guy comes in, he is, uh, he is. Uh, I think he owns several companies and very, very big shot. So he see he comes here. Then he, uh, he asks me, am I able to be hypnotized because I’m very, very hardheaded and all this. I said, Okay, we’ll find out soon. . Then he goes, You know, I don’t, uh, like to be told to do these things.

I said, Okay, not a problem with that. I have worked with all kinds of people like that. So I had two chairs, right? So I had him first fill the form. Then I told him, Please, uh, move to the other chair. He did that . After five minutes, I said, Please move to this chair. He did that again without any complaint, right?

And I said, Now please move back to the other chair, , keep move back to that. They says, You are doing fine. You’ll be really hypnotized because he had been following the uh, whatever I’m telling him. He said, Yeah, I was wondering why you are sending me from this, that year to this year. I said, Well, I was just trying to figure out, You told me that you don’t like to take, I said, or orders.

I did not order you, but I made you to do the things that I want you to do. As long as you can do this, you can be jeopardized, . That’s all you have to do. Whatever I’m going to say, just follow. Nice, nice. So where can uh, where can people find out more about your work online? Uh, people can go my website, www.hypnosisleader.com and then navigate that.

But I’m, I’m in the process of reflecting the website and I think I’m going to take the queue from your website. It seems really. Nice. Well, excellent.

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