Session #187: Kerrilee Pietroski on Hypnotic Energy

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This is the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast, Session number 187 Car Lee Petroski on Hypnotic Energy. Welcome to the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast with Jason Lynette, your professional resource for hypnosis training and outstanding business success. Here’s your host, Jason Lynette. Welcome back to the program.

It’s Jason Lynette here, and couple of years ago I branded the terminology. Somebody being a hypnotic worker, that we often have people who are out there teaching and presenting, yet they’re not actually doing the work and seeing the clients, or perhaps they’re just in the mindset of producing new content and uh, selling it rather than actually testing it out and seeing what’s working.

So defining that person as being that hypnotic worker, that person who is really in the trenches, really out there doing the work, getting results. And refining what they do along the way. And Car Petroski may be a new name to a lot of you, yet she’s someone you absolutely should listen to and an amazing insights and uh, dialogue in this conversation here.

I’ve known car for going on, I believe about six or seven years at this point, and she’s outta the Massachusetts area, and all the links to her websites are gonna be over in the show [email protected], and you’re gonna hear a very personal story in terms. Verse becoming the client of hypnosis and then leaving behind already successful careers to then branch out and do something on our own.

And some amazing insights in terms of harnessing media and picking a specific niche market, as well as looking beyond the skills that we have as hypnotists to ask ourselves what other. Skills. What other tools can we perhaps fold into the hypnotic experience, where appropriate to best serve our clients?

And some of the educational tips, some of the mindsets and metaphors that she’s gonna share here in this dialogue about how she works with her weight loss clients, some amazing insights to model and look into, and definitely somebody to keep track. So once again, check out the show notes [email protected] to link over to car’s, websites.

And while you’re there too, check out hypnotic business systems.com. This is where I share the entire roadmap behind how I’ve built several six figure hypnosis businesses. It’s a growing library and active online community as well, and you’re able to get access to everything starting at just $47. Check it out, hypnotic business systems dot.

And with that, let’s jump directly into this week’s outstanding conversation. This is session number 187 car Petroski on hypnotic energy.

Oh, well before a hypnosis, I, I wore many, many hats. I was a Russian linguist in the army. I was an occupational therapist, um, specializing in pediatrics, and then I became a. and when I was an occupational therapist working pediatrics, I had the patients of a saint. Um, And then I had kids and not so much

So I actually went to see a hypnotist to kind of have some more tools added to my bag of tricks to develop more patients. And the, the effect, the change was so quick, I couldn’t believe how quickly it transpired. And then I looked at what I was doing with the occupational therapy, which I loved that work too.

But the change didn’t happen as quickly. And so I started to gravitate more towards the change work with the hypnosis because I really enjoyed seeing that change, um, that progress made that much quicker. Yeah. So I’m wanna rewind back into that experience. I mean, in, in session. Do you remember if there are any strategies, if there’s any moments that stand out that kind of helped define how it happened so quickly for.

You know, the funny thing is is, and I’m sure most of your clients would tell you that too, there doesn’t seem to be any necessary defining moment. It’s just, there’s something that clicks something that changes, and you’re not, you can’t necessarily put your finger on it. Mm-hmm. . Um, because it did happen at a subconscious level.

Yeah. So that kind of com combination of everything that brought it all together and just something clicked and there’s that change. Exactly. It was. Like, uh, you know, as I tell everyone, hypnosis is magical, but it’s not magic, but mm-hmm. in this incident, it really did feel that way for me. And I always tell my clients, especially with ingrained habits and patterns, it’s not like we can flip the switch automatically, but in this case, that’s exactly what it felt like for me.

Um, you know, I tell my clients that just because I don’t want them to come in anticipating me to wave a magic wand, but when that switch does flip for them so quickly, it’s amazing. Outstanding. So then for, for those that aren’t familiar with occupational therapy, what is that? So occupational therapy, um, Uh, there’s many different areas that you can work with.

For me, I was working in the pediatric realm. I was working in school based systems, um, and specializing in sensory integration, children, having difficulty processing, different sensory input. So like they might be tactally defensive, auditorily defensive. Um, and in the school I’d be working with them in helping them access the curriculum and.

Being able to function in the school at their best, um, using different techniques. Yeah. So I’m curious to ask from that experience what, you know, we often refer to as so soft skills. What skills have you taken from that career that have now influenced your hypnosis worker? Oh wow. Um, good question. So just really relating to the client and.

Seeing clients from their perspective of where they are and taking them to where they want to be, and, and like I said, in the hypnosis realm, it just happens so much quicker. But just also being able to see th things from the client’s perspective, from the frustration level that they have and the freedom that they’re trying to.

Yeah. So coming from the experience of being in session yourself, what was that next step for you in terms of turning this into a career? So, I was very lucky. The um, person that I was working with, she ended up being a mentor for me. She actually ended up training me. She start, she could see that there were some connections being made for me in terms of how I was seeing the change transpire so quickly.

And how I was starting to lean towards this might be something I wanna pursue on a, um, professional level rather than just on a personal level. So she gently nudged me there until she felt I was ready and then encouraged me to get into the training, um, which I did end up doing with her out at a convention

Yeah. Outstanding. So then from there, um, what were those strategies in terms of getting things up and. . Oh, wow. Um, so , that’s always interesting going from, um, one job or no job to starting over. So for me it was, um, I jumped in on January 1st, 2011. Mm-hmm. just got myself in office and, uh, as they say, hung out to proverbial shingle.

But most of the time I was in my office, I was doing lots of research. Uh, looking at different approaches to different, um, issues that might come into the office, and just started talking to different friends and Fred started talking to friends, telling people about what I was doing until eventually I had a few clients and the word would spread.

Um, but for me, my career really started to take off for me or the, the, my profession here started take off when I was featured in The Patch, which is a local online magazine or newspaper. and I was lucky enough to have, um, somebody come in that was very successful with the work we did, who happened to be the wife of a doctor.

Um, she was coming in for weight management, so she told her husband about her success and her experiences with us, and, um, it really started. Or to grow from there. And then, um, I continue with my training outside of the initial certification I had seen on the Dr. Os show, um, Paul McKenna, who’s a hypnotist from the uk who is doing something called hypnotic gastric band.

And it really intrigued me. So I did some research and found out how to become trained in that. And was cha trained by Sheila gra. Um, and started to develop a program with that was featured in a few local magazines off of that, and that’s when everything truly exploded in the office. Was hard to keep up with since then.

Nice, nice. Which, you know, to kind of bounce around here, it’s that exploration that I meet so many people that are kind of frustrated in some other career, some other path, and that mindset of, I’m not yet ready to jump into the work, I’m not yet ready to actually start doing this. And it’s where. Like you many others that I’ve asked that same question to what from that previous experience help you to prepare for that?

That there are skills that came from the translation job to, uh, to the occupational therapy, to even being a parent, um, to now working as the hypnotist. What would you say, what would you say perhaps gave you that edge of making that decision that yes, I can go out on my own and hang up that shingle and set this all in motion.

Well, for me it probably came back from when I was in the Army and when I joined the Army, I never thought that was something that I’d be able to do and I did it . I’m still here to talk about it. Um, but I’ve, I’ve always just had that mindset of if you put it out there, you know it will come to fruition for you.

You leap before you’re ready, has always been it. And I’ve just reminded of a story one time when I got a job down in Con. I live in Massachusetts now, but I got a job in Connecticut right out of grad school for an occupational therapy job in the school system, and so, Set up an appointment to have the movers come and move my stuff down to Connecticut.

I didn’t have a place to go yet, but I was going down the following weekend to find out an apartment or a house, and I didn’t have an address to give the movers yet. And so my friends are saying, Well, how are you lining up these movers? You don’t have some place to go. I said, Well, I’m going there this weekend to find my apartment.

They’re like, But you don’t have a place to go. I said, But that’s what I’m going to do this weekend, . And so it’s just one of those things of, you know, If you set your mind to it and you know you’re gonna make it happen, then you make it happen. But if you set up that safety net, oh, well what if then the what if is what’s gonna happen?

It’s what you put out there and what you focus on. Yeah. I chair a similar. Similar moment for me. That was, uh, I was moving from Baltimore down to Alexandria of Virginia about the time that I launched Virginia Hypnosis, and here was this timeframe to at least incubate, you know, let me work on websites, let me design a business card, let me start to do some videos.

And I built the first stage of all of this without an. Uh, and actually even with the, with the message that a waiting list is now forming, uh, click here to get on the waiting list. And it wasn’t until I officially moved then go, Oh, let me now go out and find a spot, find an office. And as soon as that was there, the address was then printed on the business cards, printed on flyers, stuck on the website and having that up in motion.

So I love that aspect of going so far as to even hire movers to go, Yeah, we’ll find something in. Yes, , . And so, and it’s the same thing, you know, in the business, just putting it out there and knowing it’s going to happen. It’s kind of like when you build the course, you know, you start, like you said, you get that waiting list and then you put the pieces in place afterwards.

You know, having the end goal in mind and everything will fall in place, but you just have to have that on goal in mind. Mm-hmm. . So having that, Yeah, so having that foundation there and getting things up in motion. What, what are some of those stretch, Oh, go ahead. But if you wait till everything’s perfect, it’s the same with everything in life.

You, it’s not going to happen. You’ve gotta make it happen. You’ve gotta force, you know, you’ve gotta force the end result that you want. If not, if you wait for everything to line up, you’re going to be waiting forever. Yeah, I’d share that. You know, the, the advice with a website is that it’s never. Uh, there’s always something that needs to be put on there.

And here’s two of my specific services that really are kind of the core of a lot of my business these days. And we made a very small behind the scenes technology upgrade to the sites, uh, just this week. And even while they were behind the scenes, switching it over to be a, what’s called an ssl, the secure, uh, link, the https, I just nerded out way too much for this audience,

Uh, but even as that was in motion, it was behind the scenes. Oh, well, while we’re in there, uh, let’s do this. Let’s change that. Let’s host the video somewhere else. Let’s move this and you’re like, What? We were just gonna change one letter of the website, . But that’s the curse of the entrepreneurial mind.

You always are finding new things to build upon and make better. Mm-hmm. , which I mean, it’s that ability to really compete with yourself, to go, How do I level this up a little bit further? Okay. And here’s, here’s the article that you got, which I, I, I did the patch as well, I think about the same time you did, if I remember right, where they did a world hypnotism day feature on me and talked about my business, and that produced some responses.

But to look at that and go, Who needs to see? . Mm-hmm. , how can I use this as an asset that I can put in front of people that now clarifies this is the person to work with. Exactly. And for me, my patch, um, was a video, so that video you’ll find on my website, but I also, while they were doing the video, I was able to work with them into doing some additional videos for me of testimonials.

So you’ll see those on my website as well. So, you know, just like you said, capitalizing upon what you have and allowing that to catapult you for further ahead. Yeah. So the magazine spots that you did, were those ones that you created, you facilitated, or ones that they reached out to you? Ones that reached out to me.

Nice. So, yeah, so, um, I’ve been, like I said, I was lucky enough to have one of my first clients be the wife of a doctor who started referring people to me, and then he was seeing his patients have such great results that he started going to the hospital arounds and saying, You need to send your, your patients to this woman.

And it just built from there. So, um, even though it started off with the magazines, I don’t have any, you know, it’s mostly word of mouth at this point. Nice. Nice. So from that experience, getting that message out there now being mostly word of mouth, did you, did you aim in those early years to pick a specific niche market, something you wanted to focus on?

Or is that something that kind of developed on its own? Well, surprising. When I first started out, given my background in pediatric, um, occupational therapy, I thought that perhaps I’d be working in pediatrics, in hypnosis, and then I realized that I really didn’t wanna do that anymore. I have two children at home that I was going home to

So I didn’t really know what I was going to specialize in, but then as everyone knows, you know, smoking and weight reduction are the bread, bread and butter of the hypnosis profession. But it just, I started getting more and more weight reduction clients and I just kind of fell into that niche, especially after doing the um, hypnotic gastric band.

Yeah. So is there a story that kind of stands out to you in terms of really helping a client to not just change their behaviors, but also, I mean, really the thinking and the logic, the, the emotions around that? Oh, um, there’s so many, but, um, in addition to doing the gastric band, I also became a certified eating psychology coach through the Institute of Psychology Beating.

So a lot of the work that I do not only helps clients with taking off the weight, but it’s their entire approach to food and helping them develop a healthy relationship with food. But, I just got an email two days ago from somebody that I saw at the beginning of the summer who was saying how grateful she was because, you know, not only did she take off the weight, but she no longer has the sugar cravings and foods that she used to, um, love.

She can’t stand the taste of them because she’s slowing down and an, you know, actually tasting her food and the foods, the processed foods that she loved before. She can’t stand. Hmm. Um, but I especially, I love when I hear back from, from my clients talking about the medications that they were able to decrease or come off of.

Um, I have one client that, he’s one of my favorites, so he, um, his name was Big John. That was the nickname he gave himself. And one of his goals when he came in was to be able to fit behind the wheel of a car. He, he sold cars and he loved cars, but he couldn’t drive the cars because he was too large to fit behind the wheel.

And he was doing really well when he left my program and then a few months later, my phone started ringing off the hook and it was everybody saying that they had just seen Big John and they couldn’t believe how amazing he looked. And he told them what he had done, had done. And so they were all calling him because they wanted the same results that Big John had,

Nice. Nice. So then from that experience, are there any other specific, uh, markets that you tend to Fox with? One other one. Oh yeah, Go for it. There, there’s another one. His name happened to be John too. He came in one day and he was so happy, you know, with the results that he was getting. And he was talking about how his, um, You know, his pants are fitting him better.

He was in a much better mood. His, his diabetes medication decreased. And then he said, And I got the best gas mileage outta this tank of gas that I’ve ever got my entire life. And I said, You’re contributing that to hypnosis? Because he said, Well, I used to have, you know, be all pent up with all my stress and anger and I’d have road rage and I’d be on everybody’s tail.

And he’s like, But now that I’m doing the hypnosis, I’m relaxed and calm and I’m. Going in the slow lane and telling people to go past me. The, you know, it will be there when I get there. nice. It’s fun to post on Facebook. Did you know that hypnosis is good for your gas mileage? Maybe the car was also probably having to haul less weight, so that’s another benefit to as well.

that’s one of those beautiful things that when have a client who is able to look at their old issue in such a way and crack a joke around it, make, you know, make light of it, of mm-hmm. that here’s a guy who I worked with also weight loss that. He keeps threatening. He goes, I’m gonna go online and leave a review that says Jason, Lynette made me over.

Me, um, which involved him going from what could be classified as morbidly obese, down to at least the level of being overweight. And as he hit that point, he goes, You know what? I’m kind of comfortable at this level and I don’t have to stress about it. I mean, it’s still 80 pounds off my body. Um, you know, at this size.

I think it’s okay if I occasionally have, you know, Pizza or wings, and it’s not so much of a concern, I guess, I think I’d be stressing about it more at a lighter weight. I’m gonna stop here. I was like, Yeah, go do what you want. Um, similar to the woman who insisted that she goes, Jason made me drink with Purpose , um, rather than a glass of wine or two every single night because it was every single night instead only with social events.

So, you know, when they could look at that from a different perspective and really, I mean, these moments where, of course, , you know, with the guidance of their doctor changing the medications, they’re getting that amazing validation that, yeah, things, things are different. . Yeah. It’s like, so I’ve had women who’ve come in who, you know, are happy that they can fit in the airplane seat without needing the extra belt.

Or, um, another woman who’s happy that she can ride on the carnival rides where their son, because now the belt, the lap band can fit down or the, the bar can fit over her lap. So things like that. Or even one woman who came in, she was so happy, just thought she could cross her legs. Yeah. You so many things that people take for granted and you see people come in and light up with these stories and it lights you up.

I don’t think I’ve ever shared this here. There’s a guy who I worked with for weight loss and it’s like the last time that we met together and it’s the end of the session and he goes, Can I ask you something a little odd? Which that’s always a nice introduction to something in an office and he. I don’t mean for this to sound sexual or anything, and already I’m going, Oh God, what have I gotten myself into?

And he goes, But I’ve been spending a lot of extra time in the shower. And he just stops there and I go, Okay. He goes, No. Like I’m amused by how my body feels different. , you know that I can put my hand around my leg now and touch my fingers on the other side. I can go down the signs of my body and it’s not as lumpy as it was before.

And he leads in with the most serious look on his face and goes, And Jason, my man, boobs are gone. Isn’t that great, which I’m just happy to sit there and try not to visualize him in the shower for way too long. Lathering up and just in a self exploratory, uh, way of doing things. But again, these, it’s those little nuances that really help to drive that change home for somebody and, uh, we’re appropriate.

Find the ways to draw them at his metaphors in other session. . Mm-hmm. . Yeah. So, curious to ask someone’s, let’s say someone’s coming into the space to work with you. What’s kind of that, that user experience? What’s that? Uh, what’s that experience that they’re gonna go through in terms of working with you?

Uh, well, for me it, and it all depends on what the issue is, but obviously the, the process starts with a phone call and just seeing where they are, where they want to be. What their goals are. If there’s somebody that’s coming in for one of my weight reduction programs, a lot of times I do have a, um, questionnaire that I send them that’s meant to give them some insight into their relationship with food and how they’ve come to have that relationship with food.

So that awareness is there before they even come in and the change is already starting to take place before they come in. Um, and then it, like I said, it depends on what the issues that they’re coming in for. , you know, if they’re coming in for public speaking, usually that’s a one session program.

Although we do have follow ups there, every client does leave with a reinforcing CD or MP three so that they can continue because as you know, reinforcement is key. Whether they’re doing that with me, uh, MP three or practicing self hypnosis so everybody does learn self hypnosis as well. Um, and then. You know, if they’re coming in for something like the gastric band program, that’s a five session program, smoking, I do a three session program with them and then everything else, it depends on the issue as to how many sessions are going to be involved.

Yeah. And I know that, uh, and this is part of why I had you on here for my own curious benefit too, that you’re often folding in some rapid, uh, let’s call them pattern interrupt strategies in terms of cravings, in terms of food choices. Can you chat about that for. Um, Sure. Well, the, the pattern interrupts for the food cravings and the food choices.

Um, it’s, it’s, first I’m starting off with changing their approach to how they’re looking at food and how they’re looking at their appetite in general. So many people coming in, um, the diet mindset in itself is what’s keeping them stuck. They’re fearing food and. Unfortunately we need to eat in order to survive.

Yes, . And so there’s, we can tell them to stop eating and that’ll work for a couple of days, . But they, um, you know, they’re not making friends with their appetite. They think that their appetite is working against them. When a, in actuality, if they can make friends with their appetite, that’s the start to, um, taking off the weight.

And so many people will skip meals or suppress their appetite thinking that it’s helping them save calories, but they’re. What they’re doing is they’re putting their digestive metabolism in slowdown mode. And so I like to give them an analogy or a metaphor that explaining what a calorie is. So, um, a calorie is determined by the amount of heat that is burnt up with something when a food is burnt up.

So they have these fancy little ovens they call bomb kilometers, and they put a food item. and then they ignite it. And however they ignite that food item and however much heat is admitted after it’s burnt up determines the cleric value. So I explained to them that their digestive metabolism is that fire.

And the food is what is being brought off. So food is the fuel. So when you’re starting to get hungry, when your appetite is starting to surface and you’re getting hungry, that’s that fire starting to dwindle down. And if you don’t put more fuel on the fire, if you don’t put food in there, it’s going to completely peter out.

So you do need to be eating a response to that physical hunger as opposed to hetero emotional or boredom hunger. But you also need to be stopping when you’re comfortably full, because if you go beyond that comfortable fullness, it’s basically responding to that fire, but putting a ton of fuel on it and smothering the fire.

And that’s when you go into that food coma and you need to rest for an hour before you can move again. So I give them that analogy of the, um, their metabolism being that fire and the food being the fuel and you need to con, keep it consistently burning and you can’t smother it as well. Um, but then I’m also talking to them about the importance of pleasure with food, which is very different than using food for pleasure, which is what a lot of people are doing when they come in to see me.

That’s how they got into the position that they’re in. Um, I, I don’t wanna go. This could take forever. Going into all the studies that show the importance of pleasure with food and being able to better absorb the minerals and nutrients from that. Um, you know, because if you’re. Allowing the full pleasure with it.

You’re not fully absorbing the minerals and nutrients that you can from the meal and you’re just getting excess calories. Um, like I said, I could go into this forever, so I don’t wanna bore everybody away. No, I love it. I mean, it’s where you’re immediately reframing what that signal actually is as opposed to being just a good or a bad thing.

Um, Exactly. You know, there’s, um, there’s a story I’ve often shared of a friend of mine who, uh, she drives a Prius and she has to drive on a regular basis from Raleigh, North Carolina. To New York City, which is a long drive and she’s the first to admit, she goes, I like having my Prius because it makes the drive more convenient.

I don’t have to stop as frequently. She never says, It saves me money because she spent $10,000 more to not spend the same amount of money on gas. And yes, apparently I don’t have one, but uh, cuz I don’t make a Prius in purple, so I don’t know one yet. , I looked into it last week that, but they. They eventually had to replace the battery and all this other details to it.

But she goes, I just like that. I’m able to get further on the same amount of energy. Mm-hmm. , and the same thing of here’s this signal that’s there. And by way of, let’s call it one mixture between just education as to here’s what actually is happening, as well as the appropriate conversational strategy of hypnosis to go.

And here’s what that feeling is and here’s how you can better respond. Mm-hmm. . Exactly. Exactly. And so there’s, there’s a lot more that, I mean, I work with them on the pleasure with food versus using food for pleasure. Um, reframing what waste is and what they pay for with food, because a lot of people will go beyond that comfortable fullness because they don’t wanna throw it out or they don’t wanna waste the food.

Um, and so reframing what it is that they pay for, And, you know, basically paying for the nourishment of the meal, which if they stop when they’re comfortably full, they get that as well as, um, they’re paying for the enjoyment of the meal. So if they’re eating it slowly and mindfully, they’re getting that enjoyment as well.

And so that’s a big thing that I work with well, um, on my clients with is the slowing down their. because, um, it’s also going to change their food preferences. So, you know, a lot of people eat their food so quickly the first time around them that they, they don’t enjoy, they eat it so quickly, they don’t enjoy it the first go around and they’re going back from multiple helpings.

But, um, when they’re slowing down, they’re finding that they’re drawn more to those natural foods. . So like I had a woman who came in who every Friday night she would sit down with a tub of cheese puffs with her family and eat, um, you know, that nasty processed cheese puffs and she was slowing down her eating and she said, I had one and it was disgusting.

I said, Yeah, I know, right? She’s like, So I went back and had another, I’m like, Why would you do that? She’s like, I didn’t believe it could be that bad. I figured it was a fluke, and of course it was as bad. So she went back and she got the grapes afterwards. Mm-hmm. so, You brought up something there that I think is an important point, that there’s criticism sometimes around, um, really any hypnotic weight loss program out there that talks about food portion.

Um, and it is that phenomenon that I’ve also noticed that even without getting into the specifics of food choices, instead by focusing on enjoying things further and slowing down and really getting the full nutritional value, Which even that itself is a bit of an indirect suggestion, but people start to make those good positive choices by default by doing that.

Mm-hmm. that I’ve not ever had the moment of suggesting you’re gonna eat slower and tasting it mower, and here’s the person going, Yeah, I made a king size Snickers bar last for a half an hour. No , they, they’re by default making those more positive choices and mm-hmm. getting that greater benefit out of their time, their effort, their energy of actually eating appropriate.

Exactly. And I find that, um, when they’re. Told what to eat. It’s just human nature. Re re rebel against that. Mm-hmm. . But when you’re drawn more to those natural foods, because that’s what tastes better to you rather than that’s what you have to eat, it makes them feel more in control. Because a lot of times people feel when they’re on a diet, That it’s given them control over the food when it’s still the diet controlling them.

So I like to give the control back to the clients and have them make those healthy food choices because it’s what nurtures them in mind, body, and spirit. Not because it’s what they should be eating, because what they should be doing hasn’t worked. If it had been, they wouldn’t be in our offices. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, Absolutely. So any other specific markets you find yourself working quite a bit? Um, I’ve been working a lot more recently with, um, just peak performance, especially in the business arena where people are trying to move ahead, move up the corporate letter, or even in their own businesses. Um, you know, just the focusing on the peak performance and the success motivation.

Yeah. And curious to ask what, uh, what strategies you often find yourself using in helping these. . Um, well, it’s a combination of things. A lot of it comes from the entrepreneurial training that we’ve had in our background. , Yes. Mm-hmm. , I’m sure you know what that is and just sharing that. But it’s, a lot of it is global, regardless of the industry that you’re in and just having a clear vision of it.

What it is that, you know, it comes back to what we were saying at the beginning and having a clear vision of. What the end goal is and then working backwards and fitting the pieces in and keeping that motivation in place, that forward momentum going for them. Yeah, and this kind of is a question that may dip back into the weight loss as well, some of the business.

How do you ride that balance between what could be very oversimplified as advice of do this instead of that, or craft the message this way versus that way? Versus those places where, I mean, I can even mention that, you know, here’s people who would often reach out to me for private coaching. And, uh, here’s a meeting recently that I had to go, Okay, so we’re back to the same issue we started with three weeks ago, and we can give the same advice once again.

Or you’re a hypnotist, you wanna just close your eyes and we fix this . Mm-hmm. . So it’s a place where it’s not just the strategy, it’s the application, it’s the mindset getting into it. How do you, how do you ride that balance with these. Uh, well, and I don’t necessarily tell them what they should and shouldn’t be doing.

I give them, you know, different viewpoints on different things, but a lot of it is I’ll have them doing a lot of internal work as well. And sometimes we come out with something completely different. So, for example, I had a woman who came in who, um, Wanted to become a personal trainer. She was, um, around 50 years of age and that was kind of hanging her up a little bit.

She didn’t know if that was something that she’d be able to do at her age, which is still plenty young. But in her mind it was, you know, a limiting belief that she had. And so we were doing some internal work and she. Came out of one of our sessions after doing that internal work and she said, Now I realize what my block is.

It wasn’t my age. It said, I don’t wanna be doing this, I wanna be opening up a store . So, um, sometimes, you know, they’ll be coming into us thinking that they have this one issue. Um, but it’s a matter of delving a little deeper and covering what the real issue is for them. Yeah. How do you go about that uncovering.

Um, that’s through a process of both the conversational hypnosis and some, you know, you know, traditional hypnosis and having them do that inner work themselves and that guidance while they’re there. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So then from that experience, I mean, over the years, I’d love to get into this theme of we work with our clients on, you know, their own mindsets.

And while we might not necessarily have some of the same issues that they brought into the process, I’m trying to remember the term that, uh, was online recently, but I’ve referred to it as residual trans effects, where something else shifts as a result of it, or perhaps. You start to receive from some benefit from the work, uh, from the work that you’ve done helping other people, and especially coming from your backstory where the introduction to so much of it was gaining that patience, changing that mindset in your own home life to now letting it become a lifestyle a, a business, a profession.

Are there other benefits you’ve found from the hypnosis that have helped to influence your own life? . Oh yeah. The ripple effects are, are definitely there. Um, just the way that I interact with everybody now and just coming in, um, it was interesting. I was taking another class, um, where they gave us an assignment to find out what your strengths and weaknesses were, and they had asked.

You know us to ask people around us what they felt our strengths were, and I was surprised at how many people came back with that. I was nonjudgmental and it wasn’t something that quality that I’d seen myself. But I think it comes from doing this work. I mean, you, in order to do this work, you do need to be able to check.

any judgements you have at the door in order to do this work. Um, but that’s also carried over into my relationships as well and just how I interact with people in general. Yeah. And was it a specific model of the work, a specific experience or just a, would you say even just a personality thing that helped to, to create and really enhance that for you?

Um, I think it was just, A lot of the work that I was just doing with the clients and here with people coming in with some issues and them trusting you enough to share that with you and you just having to hold that space for them. Um, but it also came about with working a lot with the weight issues and doing the psychology of eating training that I did.

Um, you know, there’s a lot of body shaming in this culture. And so that really became a big thing for me in helping people deal with that. And there was a movie that was out not too long ago. It wasn’t, um, something you’d catch in the regular movie theaters, but it was called Embrace. Um, by Tanya Legett and she had this movie that she went around the world and she was interviewing all these people as to um, how they were dealing with bot their body image issues.

And so I ended up sponsoring that, putting that in a local theater. And it was just amazing how many people came out to see that because it is such a big issue. And prior to doing this work, I. I mean, I was aware of it, but I wasn’t fully in touch with it. And it kind of became, um, a platform that I worked with and I developed another website, an online, um, program outside of the hypnosis where hypnosis does infiltrate it a little bit, um, and started building programs around that as well.

Yeah. And I wanna chat with you about expanding that hypnosis education and looking at the psychology of eating. How, how has that enhanced your. Oh, it’s, it’s been amazing. Um, just, it’s, it’s, um, impacted everything that I do with my weight clients and my main focus. Regardless of what clients are coming in for their goal, you know, you give them what you, you sell them what they want, but you give them what they need.

And a lot of them don’t realize that what they need is that healthy relationship with food. And in order to have a healthy relationship with food, you need to have a healthy relationship with yourself and your body and your mind. And so that is a strong undercurrent in all the work that I do. And most of my clients, when they leave, Have an extreme gratitude for this new appreciation and respect that they have for themselves that they didn’t realize that was necessarily, um, contributing to their weight issue to begin with.

And so I even had a client who came in who she had a fear around food. She had already taken off a lot of weight, but now she had anxiety around food. And so we did a lot of work around just that relationship with her, with the, not just the food, but with her self. And she found this new freedom that she didn’t even realize that she was lacking for basically her entire.

And I still hear from her, you know, it’s been a couple years. I still hear from her every couple months just telling me how grateful she is and how she approaches life and food, her relationships, her work, everything is just different now that she’s got this new found respect for herself and her and her body, and her mindset.

I mean, what’s beautiful about that is that, you know, we could look at something as just that surface structure issue of just, Oh, I need to eat less. And yet really you’re helping to unravel so many other parts of the person’s life helping to make breakthroughs. And you know, where they start to have some of these ripple effects of there’s now greater productivity in this, there’s more confidence in their relationships, or even just with themselves and.

To have this breakthrough for somebody of um, I think it’s a Ron Eslinger line of Yeah, yeah. He goes, I book four sessions cuz by the third session we’ve actually hit the things we needed to address in the first place. . Yes. So, yeah, no, everyone comes in. Um, when they’re coming in for the weight reduction, they’re coming in because they want motivation to stick to their diet, to eat less, to move more.

And the truth of the matter is, it’s never about the. Never about the food. How are you handling that pivot? Because that’s a pivot that I’ll, I’ll openly say this, and I’ve known you for many years and I know you’re not doing it. Uh, as I’ll brand it Now, the jerky way that I’ve heard many other people do it , uh, which I’ve heard some people do the whole, Yeah, but that’s really not what you need.

Oh, we need to address this at deeper levels. Oh, that’s not why you’re, And it’s almost in a very arrogant way that pushes people away further there. Bit of an art towards how we transition that pivot, how we address those themes in such a way to, to use the common line to address what’s eating at the person rather than just what they’re eating.

Mm-hmm. . And, uh, when they come in for, for my weight reduction clients, a lot of them, as I said, have already had that personal questionnaire in the beginning. So they’re starting to get some of that insight. And when I start working with them, I don’t tell them that, Oh, you’re doing it all wrong. Mm-hmm. , um, I talk to them and.

You know, we’re going to help you get in touch. What your body’s telling you it needs. Um, eating response to physical hunger and stopping when you’re comfortably full. Getting out of that diet mindset and what you think you should be doing because what you should be doing hasn’t been working, um, and getting in touch with what your body needs.

And you’ll find as you’re going through this, That you’re drawn more to those natural foods as I was talking about. Not because you have to, but because they’re actually more appealing to you. And I explained to them, you know, it’s just human nature, that when you are told that you can’t have something, you know you’re gonna rebel.

I might tell you that you can’t have Cheetos. And you might hate Cheetos, but if I tell you you can’t have it come heck or high water, you’re having the Cheetos and they’re your new favorite food . So I don’t take this approach. I take a much kinder and gentle approach so that the Cheetos are no longer appealing to you.

Um, not because I say so, but because they actually don’t taste as good to you. And they’re like, Oh, I like that idea. Love it. Yeah. Which the, the thing to really highlight here is that, you know, yes, we’ve spent most of this dialogue talking about working with weight loss clients, but these are themes that can be applied to everything else out there of, you know, the, the phrasing of where you are here is often the way you were, are everywhere else.

And here’s the one who’s got the driving, um, the fear of driving on the highway. and there’s gonna be traces of that sometimes in other parts of life and helping to facilitate that breakthrough. Mm-hmm. , it’s gonna open up many other things. And yes, sometimes there’s the extreme moment. Here’s the woman who called me up and goes, Hey, my fear of public speaking zone, but I have to ask you a question.

What? Why is my fear of flying also gone? It’s like, um, you’re welcome , where the, these breakthroughs that someone can make open up many other things and unravel other issues that, uh, they weren’t yet considering. They weren’t yet realizing needed to be actually addressed. Yes, yes. It’s like you said, how you do one thing is how you do everything.

Well, this has been fantastic. Uh, where, where can people check out your work? Well, um, for the hypnosis, I’m at catalyst hypnosis center.com. Um, but I also have that other program online that I was talking about, um, where I’m working with people on weight and body issues. And that’s kp empowering you. The letter you, not y o [email protected].

Awesome. And we’ll put links to those over in the show notes at Work Smart Hypnosis and care’s been good finally having you. Oh yes. It’s been fantastic. Thank you so much. I’m sorry that it took so long to get on here, but I’m glad that we were able to connect and look forward to the next time.

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