Session #190: Freddy Jacquin on Hypnotherapy

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This is the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast, session number 190, Freddy Jack on hypnotherapy. Welcome to the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast with Jason Lynette, your professional resource for hypnosis training and outstanding business success. Here’s your host, Jason Lynette. This is a conversation you’re gonna wanna listen to several times over.

Hey, it’s Jason Lynette here on the program and excited to have Freddy Jack on the program. His son, Anthony Jack was a previous guest on this session and getting a chance to actually meet Fred in person for the first time back at Hypno Thoughts Live 2018. And through the wonders of time, travel or batch producing this program, we actually recorded.

Prior to the UK Hypnosis Convention, uh, got to hang out in person. I’m saying this before even leave for the UK Hypnosis Convention and airing it afterwards. And the number of knowledge bombs, the number of educational nuggets inside of here. And just some incredible stories of hearing somebody who’s really been a worker in this profession for quite some time.

And really one of the most interesting aspects I’d sort of highlight here is that creative mindset. How it is we go about crafting new strategies, how it is we are in the moment with our clients and, uh, as you’ll as he’ll tell the story. Finding ourselves sometimes in situations that we don’t quite have a solution in the can ready to produce.

So an amazing conversation here. I’d highly recommend head over to either Amazon and pick up Freddy’s new. Hypnotherapy, or you can even head over to Audible and actually purchase the audio version of the book too. Also, while you’re on the web, check out hypnotic business systems.com because it’s one thing to have a lot of really effective strategies in terms of helping your clients.

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Um, I do believe it’s an altered state, but I believe it’s a natural state. I believe it’s sort of a nature’s gift. It’s, um, you know, my boys play, um, video games and most of these video games is a glitch. If you know where it is. You can access different areas and I think, uh, hypnosis is like that natural glitch that we have.

We, not everyone knows how to get to it, but if you can get to it, then it gives you an advantage on how we can control our emotions, how we can alter our state, how we can change behavior. It, that’s my best way of describing it, really. I think it’s a natural ability. You know, I used to say, I used to say it was a natural phenomena, but mm-hmm.

I do believe it’s just a natural ability that if we can access it, then we can change those underlying programs that we have habitual behaviors. And as a hypnotherapist, I believe that what we do as an operator, if you like, we act as a catalyst to help people find, find that, find that glitch. You know, find, find that ability that they have within them.

So that’s how I say it really. Yeah. I appreciate the phrasing that it’s a glitch that we can make, advan we can take advantage of, we can put to use, as opposed to being a glitch, which is just a mistake, just a problem. But the same way that, uh, I love the video game metaphor, that we can, uh, use it to this advantage to play the game a little bit better, finish the level a little bit faster.

Uh, what was that thought process? To take it outta the definition from phenomenon to just state? Because I think, you know, I used to think that people came to see me with, um, with a problem and as a hit and test, you know, having that ability to, to hit and tie someone. I would hypnotize and they’ll tell me what they wanted to do, what they wanted to stop doing.

I’d hypnotize them and then I’d, I’d tell ’em what they wanted to do or make them do what they wanted to do or stop doing what they wanted to stop doing. I now actually think that we’re actually already in trance, and I think people come to see me. They’re already in trance, albeit negative. Um, stifling TRAs.

Um, and what I actually do, One pointed out they’re already in a trance, and then take them out that trance and leave them, if you like, in a positive trance. So I look at a different way around now, you know, I think that for me, the way I see hyp, and I explain it in my book, if you wanna hypnotize someone, I say it quite simply, create an emotion and then give a suggestion.

Now, that’s how I see it. If I can make you, if I can change your emotional state, if I can make you laugh, then I can influence you. If I can make you, uh, cry, I can influence you. So if I can change your emotion, and for me, that’s quite simple. If I ask you to think about your children and I think about, think about the love you have for them.

When you are accessing that feeling, I’ve altered your state that if I then say, you know, and you’re gonna feel better. Then you probably will because, and that’s how simple I see it to be. So if you think about that, take that to our everyday walking about world, you know, people are make altering our states all the time.

They make us angry, they make us sad, you know, make us happy and we are being influenced and we’re being hypnotized every single day. That’s what advertising does. You know, you’re sitting at home, it’s a miserable evening and you see some guy on a white horse riding across the desert. He jumps down and he’s got a box of Cabe milk tray, and I’ve ordered your state because you are thinking about that sunshine, everything else.

Then you’re walking through the safe market for whatever reason. You think you see a box of cabaret milk tray and you suddenly think that feeling and it just, you end up picking it up without realizing. So we’re being influence. By having our emotional state changed all the time. So, you know, let me put it this way.

Say, say, uh, I’ll say woman because, you know, a woman’s at home and she’s looking after a kid, she’s having a good day. Her husband comes in, you know, and if he, he, he makes her, he upsets her by saying something. He’s had a ra bad day. He upsets her, and then he says something detrimental. You know, you, you are not any good.

That happens enough times. Then that person’s gonna start to believe what’s being said in the same way as when we hypnotize someone and we say, You know, your body’s made a marble and you can’t move. And for whatever reason, they can’t move. It’s a stuck state, but it’s no more a stuck state than someone who says, I can’t quit smoking or I can’t lose weight.

That’s just a belief and it’s probably a belief that’s been created by someone else in an emotional state. So that’s, I see. It really, it’s much more simple than we try and often make it out to be. You know, hypnosis is me is very simple. It’s going on all the time. We just have an understanding of how to do it consciously.

We’re doing it unconsciously anyway with our kids, with our family, with people we work with. It’s just, for me, as I said, I’ve learned how to do it consciously. Um, and that’s, so that’s how I see it. It’s very simple. Or to someone state emotionally and give ’em a suggestion that’s as simple as it’s, is that something that came about by necessity, let’s say, by doing it in much more technical way, where we have different schools of thought, which would say, here’s this model if hypnotic depth, or, you can’t use this technique unless you see these various signs.

Are there, um, where, where did that come from? Yeah, I mean, I, I’ve, you know, I learned this in the early nineties and of course you were looking for facial, you know, the plasticity of the skin and the eye movements and body language and language patterns and like we, all of that stuff, which we learn and we think it’s important, you know, environment, you know, sounds in the.

Some people even put music on behind people, it seems to relax them. We used to think it was relaxation, you know? But as my son, Anthony would say, it’s not a state of s you know, we now know, and I do it what’s happening to us all the time. But now I know I do it in my therapy room. I, I empathize. People have their eyes open and looking at me and I think, Well, am I hypnotized?

Except for the fact they can’t move their arms or, or whatever it is. Well, I can’t feel the, the fear, you know, that’s the only difference is’ not we’re walking around hypnotized all the time with our eyes open. And so we, all of that stuff we first used to learn in the nineties, you know, and we’re looking and in concentrating our language patterns and depth, which is another fallacy, you know, how deep do they have to be?

To change. You know, one of my favorite quotes, it was an Erics Erickson quote. Someone asked him about how deep someone should be to achieve this change in their life. And, and I loved what he said, cause I say it now myself, and someone asked me how deep you have to be. I say, Deep enough. Mm-hmm. , they’re Erickson’s words.

They’re not my words. Deep enough, you know, any, any communication. And then you are a fantastic communicator. I listen to, you know, you know, you are one of the best voices on the circuit, and you can hold a room with your conversation, your communication. Now for me, if you are communicating like that and everyone, that room is focused on what you are saying to the extent that everything else becomes periphery, the sound of the air conditioning, the noises outside the room because they’re fascinated by what you’re saying and the way you speak and the way you act, Then to some level, They’re hypnotized.

And, and that’s why you can influence, and that’s why good narrators, you know, people, Churchill, Kennedy, you know, they could hold an audience and they could make people, they could influence mass crowds of people. Because if you can fascinate people, if you can hold them with your voice and with the content of what you are talking about, to some level, they’re hypnotized.

It’s not, Well, I’m gonna now close your eyes and I’m gonna say these words and I’m gonna change my voice. No, If you can fascinate, if you can get people concentrated on what you are saying to some level, they’re already hypnotized and you can influence. Now we’re just doing it formally with a bit of ceremony, you know, now I’m gonna hypnotize you.

But in reality, I, I’m sure it’s the same for you when we do what we call a pre-talk, which is a strange thing to say, really, because , you know, pre-war, pre to hypnosis. Um, if you are, if you engage your client at that point, Most of the work you’re gonna do is done before you even say, Are you ready to be hyp?

You know, because you already explained to people one, their importance. I mean, I, for me, the bottom line, when I’m working with people, what I wanna achieve in every therapy session, whatever people come for, I don’t care what it is, What I want is going out of their feeling and understanding is their worth, their true value, their true worth.

As a person, as a father, as a mother, as a brother, as a sister. Because I think if that’s, a lot of people don’t realize that they don’t, they lose track of their own. . And if they’re, if they’re taking drugs or smoking or they’re doing anything that’s detrimental to their health, they’re not likely to consider stopping if they don’t value their own, their own wellbeing, their own worth.

So for me, I try and get that into, and, and by doing that, I can also change someone’s emotional state if I get them thinking about the people they love and the people that love them. So, and by altering their state, albeit in conversation, they are now to my mind, open to suggestion. They’re open to being influenced and being, having their, their mind changed, if you like, the way they think about who they are, what they are, and what they’re doing.

So for me, it’s very simple. You know, as I said right at the beginning of this conversation, or to someone state or to someone’s emotion and give a suggestion and you can do that just in general conversation. If you know what you’re doing, we are doing it without knowing what we’re doing anyway. If you can do it consciously, then you can influence people and hopefully, you know, you are, you are reasoning for influence people so that they can have a better.

When we do it formally in the therapy room, then hypnosis for me is one of the most powerful tools for change, if not the most powerful tool for change. I say it’s not rocket science, but it’s as powerful as that’s how I see it. Nice. And it can be changed. We know, we now know, you know, um, we’ve got, we’ve had Doctor It in in that room in Las Vegas in London, where I’m, I I’m training people in ya.

People around the world are using that technique and it’s so simple, you know, you don’t have to be a hypnotist to use it. Well obviously we start with hypnosis when we’re training people cuz people come to us cause we’re Hy Therapist and we teach them hypnotherapy. But the reality of it is, especially with the arrow, I want everyone to learn that.

And I, I want teachers, parents to better use it, kids to use it. And as I was saying in, in the, uh, presentation I did in Las Vegas, my son, who’s now 15, when he was nine, he was in a classroom at school and one of his, one of the girls in his class had broken an arm. She’d been to the hospital, she’d had it plastered.

Um, had it set. She was in class and it was hurting her and she was crying and we were over, we were at home one evening and just eating his dinner, sausage and mash, whatever it was, and he was just in conversation. He said, Dad, he said, Today, you know, I had a girl in school when she was. You’d hurt her arm and she was crying and she said she was in pain.

He said, I did that thing you do

I did that thing you do with that, you know, that swift sound thing he said, and, and, uh, I took the pain away and carried on. He saw she’s a mash as if it was nothing, which he, to him it was, he didn’t know that it was anything special. , you know, and that’s the simplicity of that technique. You don’t know what’s magic if you have been told not to.

Well, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, and, and I really, I want everyone to learn how to do that and not just because, you know, it’s something we teach just because I just, I want everyone to be able to in a situation where if you’ve got someone in pain, whether it’s emotional, physical, uh, providing this is what we say, what my son Anthony and I say, when we train people, providing that pain is of no use.

If it’s of no use, if it’s unnecessary, then for whatever reason this simple technique, which is just purely about imagination, yes, there’s some intricate language patterns if you wanna look into it, but if my nine year old can do it without knowing what language patterns are , then you know, anyone can use this technique and, and people are using it for healing and it, I have no idea why this works, Jason.

You know, and I’m sure there are people looking into how it works. And you know, I just, as I said to you at the beginning of this conversation, I think it’s a natural ability. And like with a lot of natural things, you know, even speech, we’ll never discover how or why that works or why we have the abilities do it.

Um, and sometimes we just have to say it’s a gift if you like. It’s something that nature’s given us and we can study it and find out about it. And there are people that are doing it. I’ve been doing it for years trying to figure out how hypnosis works. And it is very interesting. And one day someone might discover it, there’s a scenario I’d love to run back to, uh, which is that create the emotion and then give a suggestion.

Let, let’s talk about the scenario that someone comes in and not to label it in the negative, but they’re coming in, in the problem state. So they’re coming in, they’re still holding onto the grief of some, uh, relationship that is wrapped up badly. They’re, they’re in some sort of stress and fear for, uh, the thing that’s, uh, triggering that.

That emotion. So how do you handle that scenario of create the emotion and give the suggestion when they’re coming in with that problem state very much at its peak? Well, I mean, for me, if someone comes in with, um, you know, that that sort of grief of lot of loss of someone, whether it’s someone who’s, who’s died or whether it’s someone who, um, they’ve had a relationship with and they’re not in a relationship with anymore, and that still spikes them, the emotion still spikes them.

I do have this little technique which I run in the book, and because, you know, for me the art of, um, hypnosis, I, I say this, the art part of hypnosis, when we say the art of hypnosis is being able to paint a picture that will metaphorically say, put this down or let it go, or close the door on it. And so, you know, I, in the book, I talk about the, um, the girl on the train saying goodbye.

It’s a very simple technique. You know, one of the questions I ask when people come in and say, you know, I’ve had, I’ve been in this relationship. I, you know, it’s, it’s done. They’ve gone, you know, I ask, is there any chance of getting back together again? Because if someone, if in someone’s mind there is still even the 1% chance getting back together, they’re gonna hang on to that 1%.

But if they say no, they’ve gone, I’m never gonna see ’em again. They’ve remarried or whatever. They’ve moved to another country. Then I run that little technique. But you know, the emotion you’re talking about, they come in with then obvious you can use this and you can use that, that emotional state. I worked with a doctor yesterday on the training and he’s in, um, an emergency, but ae we call it over, I think you call it er over there.

Yes. Um, yeah. And people come in, they’re already in an emotional state, so they’re very open to suggestion. We have a great guy who trained with us in Australia, a guy called Dairy Cook, and he’s a, again, he works in er in New Zealand, and he’s getting outstanding results. Just, he doesn’t have to say he’s doing any hypnosis.

They’re already hemat, they’re already in an order state. So he just suggests things and he can suggest that the bleeding will slow down. I know this sounds crazy, but your mind is open. It wants, it wants to, it wants the best for the person. Sometimes just, I think it’s just given permission to make a change now that now the pain can.

Disappear, you’re safe, you’re in er, you know, now the bleeding can stop. I mean, how ridiculous would that be? But Dairy Cook has no limits to what he does because he sees it. As I say to people when we talk about healing, and I never advertise as healing and I never promise anything with healing, but a lot of people that come to see me are ill because they’ve been smoking 30 cigarettes for 20 years or 30 years.

Mm-hmm. , they’ve been drinking too much alcohol. They’re eating too much food. They’ve done things that are detrimental to their house. So they come in already ill and I never advertising, and they normally come and see me for one of those things that, you know, for smoking or drinking or, and I say, you know, and they say I’m ill because of it.

So I offer what I call quantum healing, and it is probably the wrong word because I know quantum applies to physics and everything else. But what I say to people in that situation, I’m not gonna promise you anything, but it’s only words, and it’s only your imagination. What’s, what’s the worst thing can happen?

You can be disappointed, you know? But what if I have no one that said, Well, don’t bother. Mm-hmm. , you know, they, they just, and they accept it and you get changes. And for me, as I said, I say to people, I’m not gonna give you any pills or potions. It’s just words. It’s just your imagination. But for me, as I, I was explained to this group I was working with yesterday, you cannot imagine something strongly without it affecting you physically.

And I, I had described it to my students and I, I, I just say, imagine I’ve got a lemon in my. and I get ’em to picture that lemon in my hand. I say, Imagine I am now coming through it with a serrated knife, and you can hear this skin crunching. You see the juices dying to flow down my wrist and watch as I bite into it, and I mimic biting into that lemon.

And I say, What’s happening in your mouth? And I say, My mouth salivating. You know, I haven’t got a lemon and I haven’t got a knife . But if you can, you can picture that strongly enough, then it will affect you physically. You’ll actually produce that saliva in your mouth. You’re not doing that consciously.

That’s an unconscious response to an imagination. So if you take that one step further and you can imagine in some way the cells reconnecting in your body to do the healing, you can imagine the tumor as a block of ice and the love from your family. The heat from the sun. Whatever you want to use your imagination for, because if you can imagine something strongly, I believe it’s gonna affect you physically.

Um, but as I say, I’m never promising we’re healing because I’m not a healer. In fact, I, I’m not anything . That’s the, that’s the big thing about this. I do not do anything. I, I start with the premise that the only person in my therapy room that has the answer to the problem, that has the resources overcome the problem is the person sitting in a therapy chair, not in a therapist chair.

Or as I said earlier, I think I just acted like a catalyst. I I open the door, you know, if you imagine for some, some reason, I know the key, I know the combination to the, to the lock. On that door that, that we can open to give them access to their own resources, their own understandings, their own strength, their own skills to overcome the problem.

And it’s one of those things you just go, Well, here it is. You know, here’s the, here’s the door. I’ve opened it for you. Now, what he want. Take the, take what you want from it. Yeah. And what’s really beautiful about that is you’re getting to, to use the word against itself, you’re getting a stronger claim by not actually making the claim.

You’re engaging their imagination even stronger by having them really engage that imagination even stronger. It, as I say, it’s we, that’s all we have. Words and imagination, don’t we as hypnotist. Mm-hmm. , you know, some people might carry a swing in watch and they might have one of those worldy disc thing, but in reality they’re just props all we have, and that’s the joy of being a hypnotist
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I can go anywhere in the English speaking world. In fact, now, you know, Anthony and I have been running training in Brazil and I do this sim simultaneous interpretation, you know, where we have 150 uh, students in a room and two interpreters at the back. And as we speak, everyone’s wearing headphones as we speak, they speak.

It’s like an. But in, in, um, Brazilian, Portuguese, it’s amazing. So anywhere where someone can hear me and they can understand me providing, I can speak and that’s the joy of what I do. You know, I’m, I’m, I’m well in my sixties now, but I say to people providing they can wheel me in the room, and I can speak , I can do this job and that’s the joy of it.

I don’t need any props. I can go anywhere in the world and providing they can understand me, then I can do this work. And that’s the joy of it. I don’t need anything more than my language. The understanding that the client or the clients, if you’re gonna do a group of people, already have the resources, already have the answer to the problem.

Sometimes I think with hypnosis, all we’re doing is getting them out their own way. You know, that little voice is saying, Well, you’re never gonna do it. You can’t do it. You know? And when I describe, um, an induction, a hypnotic induction, I sometimes I do it with my students. I, I sort of, um, React it out. I say, I imagine when I start the induction, I’ve got my arm around your shoulder and I’m just talking to you and we’re walking along and I am just talking to you nicely.

And at the end of the room there’s a door, it’s got a glass window in it, and I’m walking you slowly towards that door, and then I open the door and I sort of ease you out and then close the door. Now I’m alone with your unconscious mind. You can hear, you can see everything, you can hear anything, but you can’t be effective anymore.

You know, you are listening and you are watching, but now I’ve got access to your unconscious mind. You’re outside the door and you’re aware of what’s going on. You’re aware of what I’m saying, but it’s no longer any consequence until I open that door and you come back in. By then the job’s done. You know, it’s, it’s that the ceremony of the induction is really just walking conscious mind out of the.

And closing the door on it for a while. It can still hear, it can still see, but it can’t interrupt for a while, and then we can get on with some work. It’s a simple analogy. That’s how I see it. There’s a, there’s a phrase that you use that I’d love to elaborate and kind of bring into this conversation of, and it’s one that I, I first heard you use it as I interacted with the, uh, with the arrow training and then reiterated throughout the book as well.

But just the simple phrase of be brave to suggest that to a client in part of an intervention. And I’ve seen you use that various places. Could you expand upon that upon a bit? Well, I think, you know, as, as human beings, we, we don’t like pain. We really don’t, and we don’t like, Sometimes looking at our own mistakes and it’s painful to think we’ve done something we’ve messed up.

We, you know, and, and so to, to, to re to review it and to reassess it, you know? And that’s how, that’s how I discuss, you know, I’m not, I’m not a believer in, in regression or regression to cause as a, as a, as the mainstay of any kind of therapy score. I know there are people that do it and people get good results with it.

It’s not for me. I mean, I just think it’s, um, it’s a much cleaner way to move people where they are to where they wanna be, as opposed to dragging back through all the stuff in their life that paying for or, or disgusting or they don’t wanna look at again. But there are, there are times when I believe it is an advantage to review that.

The, the, the initial cause if you like, um, let’s let, the main one I would say is panic attacks. You know, people come and see us with phobias and they know what they’re frightened of. I’m fry to snake, spiders, flying needles, whatever it might be. Dentist doctors, they know what they’re afraid of. When people have panic attacks, they have no idea why they’re feeling that anxiety, why they’re feeling that fear and, and stress and adrenaline rush.

They just know they feel it. So in that case, because they don’t know, and I don’t know, I will use what I call the jack Win time machine. As I said, most of my stuff’s dead simple. Uh, I’m a very simple person. I see things simply and. Treat people in the same way, um, in a simple way. Not that they’re simple, but in simple techniques.

And the time machine is, is this is because I’m a heist and, um, I, I’ve only done a couple of stage things and that was purely tell the magician friend, I am, I, he lacked a bit of confidence and he asked me if I did his stage shows. Uh, I did enjoy it, but my wife pointed out, Well, you know, you’ve gotta think about it.

Seriously, on Friday night, you’re making people speak alien. And on Monday he’ll say, I’m gonna help you overcome your heroin addiction. So where do you wanna be ? Um, so yeah, I chose, no, surprisingly, the simplicity of it. I mean to, I I define my stop smoking processes. How deeply, uh, into the experience do you have to get to just simply say, Okay, look, just do.

And let it be as easy as that and enjoy it. Yeah, yeah. Just, just, you know, just to decide I’m not doing it anymore. You know, some, what I’m looking to do and I, I know, um, I don’t know from a, it’s different from a sort of business point of view because, you know, the, the simpler it gets, the harder it is to, I, I, I imagine create a long term business in as much.

I want my clients to resolve their problems quickly. You know, it would be lovely if we lived in a world where people paid by the change. If we could say, Okay, how much would it be worth to you to lose this spider phobia and get a price from, and then do it that way? But if we’re working hourly and we’re saying, This is how much we charge per session, then from a point of view, Getting people over their problems very quickly is not a good business model.

Um, but on the other hand, and as I said, what I’m working towards is I, I think it’s almost like less to do. It’s almost like getting to the point where there’s almost nothing to do, where you could say one word and it would make the difference. You know, I’m not there yet, but, you know, it’s getting slowly, uh, slowly getting towards that point where the, the changes that you can create become so rapid.

And it’s not about rapid. Uh, you know, for a long time now in the hypnosis world, it’s about rapid inductions, rapid disc rapid change. That’s not what I’m talking about. You know, the arrow is something that you can do quickly, but as I say, the value of it does not lie in the speed that you can do. This value happens.

It just happened to be a technique you can do quite quickly. Um, but I think the less fluffy involved. And some years ago I had a girlfriend. It was that she lectured in fine art. Now being a Phyllis Stein when it comes to art, she took me to the tape, modern or whatever it was in London, to try and educate me and, uh, There was a big, massive picture on a wall, and it was just three blocks of color, and it was worth millions.

And some artists had painted some famous artists, and I said, as being a Philistine and being, you know, ignorant of the whole thing, I said, I could paint that three blocks of paint on a, on a bit of camp, so I could do that. Surely she said, You’re missing the point. She said before he painted those three blocks of paint on the, on that canvas, he painted this and she showed me this fine piece of art, which could have been a photograph, you know, it was so detailed.

It was so beautiful. And what she’s saying is, you know, this what, what he’s got to there with the color is sort of the essence. It’s, it creates an emotion and that is ultimately what we’re trying to do with art. You know, we’re trying to create an emotion in someone, and I think with hypnosis, it’s a bit like, that’s how I look at it now.

I, I try and. Get to the thing that’s gonna make the difference as opposed to all the things that might make me look cleverer or more intelligent. Um, the problem we have with making these, making hypnosis more simple, more, um, accessible to everyone is that if it’s simple to do, and let’s put it this way, if it’s difficult to do and I can do it, then that makes me somehow cleverer than a person who can’t do it.

If it’s simple and everyone can do it, then where’s the value in being a hypnotherapist? You know, it. So it’s a, it’s a difficult line to walk and I, I believe so much in the value of hypnosis, but more in, in the fact that you can do this. We’re doing it anyway. If you can just teach people how to use it for theirselves in every first session of hypnosis, I, I have with people.

Hemotherapy. I always show them, I always show them how to do self hypnosis. Then that might put me out of another session with them because I, I want ’em to go home and say, Okay, got this problem. I’m gonna tell myself an hypnosis, I’m gonna get rid of it. And that’s probably what happens is probably why I don’t see people very often.

Maybe that, or maybe because I talk to much one of the two anyway. Um, but either way, I don’t see clients more than a few times. So I want people to be able to do this for theirselves, you know, I want my kids to be able to do it. I want, you know, everyone to do it. Kelly, um, yeah, Kelly T. Woods and myself, we’ve, we’ve, she’s been doing things for kids for years and back in, I think it was 2000, I was in Kent and I, I ran a course for parents, um, teaching parents how to use simple hypnotic techniques to enhance their kids’ lives, to give them that bit of an edge when it comes to their exams.

And, you know, things like cover anchoring, which you think, well that’s, that’s quite a big thing to teach someone who’s not a hy therapist. Not a hypnotist, but to teach parents how to do that. And, and the BBC picked it up and they made this film about it. It was a, a news thing about this hypnotist who was teaching parents how to use simple hypnotic techniques for their kids
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I’ll call it PO and Shere and Kelly and I are gonna be integrating this with what she does to run, run it again, you know, uh, uh, for parents anyway, you were talking a little while ago about, uh, the simplification of the, the time machine. So we’re talking about emotion and, and going back. And, um, if you are eliminating negative emotion with the time machine, it’s as simple as this.

I just say to my client, they’re already hypnotized. So as far as I’m concerned, if you are hypnotized, if you see someone on stage, that’s how I got through to talking about stage. So I’m going on off on a bit of a tangent, but when you’re on stage, you know, hypnotize somewhere, you don’t say in a moment, a musical start, and you’ll imagine your Elvis Pressley.

You actually say in a moment, a musical start. You are Elvis Pressley and you’ll get up and. and they believe they are Elvis Pressly. So when I do the time machine being a hypnotist, I say, This is how, this is how simple it is for me. I say that chair into time machine. In a moment I’ll click my fingers and you are gonna get sucked back through time as if time doesn’t exist.

Back to the very first moment that relates to this problem. But you’re gonna go back with all the strength you have now as a man. All he understand is you have now as a father, as an adult, and you’re gonna go back and you’re gonna review it and reassess it. I’m not talking about regressing back to the child and feeling the pain again.

I’m talking about going back as you are now. And that’s when you ask that question. I say, Be brave because this is the last time it’s gonna affect you. Nobody wants to go and look at it again. So I say be brave. It’s the last time it’s gonna affect you. And it’s also the opportunity to get in a very big direct suggestion.

I generally turn my head to the side. When I say the words, it’s the last time it’s gonna affect you. So I say, Get ready. And I, yeah, a bit of anticipation. I clicked my fingers and I say, In a moment, you’re gonna see it. You remember where you were, remember you were with now drop down beside that younger.

You put your arm around them and walk ’em through it. Tell them what they need to know for them to be the best person they can be, the best man, they can be the best woman they can be. If I have a client in my room that I know they’ve, we’ve had that discussion, they’ve told me, I’ve got daughters or sons or whatever, I say, Tell them about the man she’s gonna meet and love.

Tell them about the beautiful children she’s gonna have. You know, how good would it be for all of us to be able to go back to our 13 or 14 year old self who had all those doubts and all those fears and all those anxieties, and go back and say, Look, this is what’s coming up, Jason . So you’re gonna be teaching people over the world how to use hypnosis.

You’re gonna be changing people’s lives. Jason, if you could go back to your 13 year old. And tell him about the life he’s got coming up. The woman, he’s gonna love the kids, he’s gonna have, you know, when he is going through that moment and that’s how I see the time machine. He’s just gonna go back, reassess it, take the learnings from that event, store them in that part of our mind that’s there for the learnings.

Then let go of the negative emotion. Tell the, tell that child. I say child, but I always say, tell the younger you cause I dunno where they’re at. Tell the younger you what they need to know. To be the best man they can be. And are you doing this in a, uh, let’s say a mutual Yeah. Doing it in a mutual communication or just kind of directing them to do the work inside?

No, direct. I never have my clients talk to me. I do have, I do have, yes. When we, you know, I use parts, what I call parts negotiation in which we have unconscious communication, but in the time machine, it is just straight there. I’m just assuming they’re back there and for whatever reason they, they’re there and they’re not.

But in my mind, and it’s only in my mind, I know what’s going on in their mind. Obviously in my mind, they’re back there as they are now, as they’re sitting in my chair at the age they are now with the understandings they have now and, and just guiding their, that younger you and walking ’em through that event, you know, and telling.

And at the end of it they say, Tell them that you survived it. Thank them for going through it for. Give him a hug, say goodbye. Step outta that line into your future. Turn around, sit out kid with a smile in his face waving goodbyes you free forever. Close the door behind you. That is what my, my version of a regression would be.

And it’s as long as I’ve just told you, yeah, it’s no longer, and that’s not weeks, it’s not months. It, I, in the same time as I’ve spoken about it, is the time that it excites me to do it. So that’s that, that phrase, you know, be brave is the last and the reason I use it in the arrow as well, you’ll hear it in the arrow technique in a moment.

You’re gonna go through that target, you know, and, and people say, Why’d you make ’em suffer? I say, You’re gonna feel that pain more intensely for a split second. But be brave. And it’s only reason I’ve put that in that technique is to get this massive direct suggestion in it’s the last time it’s ever gonna affect.

Well, I mean, it’s the same as the people who would even just make use of like a control room metaphor of, to temporarily make the discomfort a little bit worse, which is thereby proving control of it. But I love that little frame of be brave, uh, which is going to, it’s gonna indirectly suggest they’re going to actually experience that thing, but then you’ll immediately go into that place of bliss where that cannot exist anymore.

Yeah, yeah. You know, and, and that, that phrase, you know, when they come out and you’ve done it and say, you know, try and find it and find your cannot, you know, as we know as hypnotist, we know the word trium plus failure. You know, So you, you, it, it seems innocuous when you say it. Now try and find it. Find your.

Where’s it gone now? You know, and they’re looking, they’re searching in that moment when they open their eyes and you ask ’em that question and they can’t feel it. And then you say, Try and find it. Find your cannot, their job’s done. You know, And then you can just, it’s, its, it’s so beautiful as far as I’m concerned, you know, the simplicity of the time machine to go back to the, to the initial event and do it as you are now, you know, not go back, you know, regress back to the child, you know, see what you saw them feel, what you felt.

Then why would you do that to anyone you know? And, and if you are back there as a child, do you really have any more understanding it? Then you do now. But if you were, if you could go back as you are now and reassess it and review it, take the learnings from it, you know, walk the child through it, Tell ’em what they need to know and tell ’em what they got coming up.

That’s the joy of what I think, you know, to be able to say to your, say to that child, you know, you’re gonna meet this woman. You know, and, and you know, you’re gonna be like the story you told me, you know? And, uh, I love that story. You know, it took me a month or whatever else to even speak to her. And then you, you’re married to her and now you’ve got these beautiful kids and you’ve got this beautiful life.

You know, if you could go back to your younger, you when you were 13 and 14, or whatever age it was, when you were struggling and wondering what your life is gonna be and wondering if you were gonna make it to 20, and then walk that child through that process and just say, just, you know, give him a. Thank them for going for it for you, and then say goodbye.

And I always say, you know, step over that line into your future. Turn around. See that child with a smile on their face, waving goodbye as you free them forever and close the door behind you. Mm-hmm. , . That’s how I run my, what I would call regression, even though it’s, you know, it’s not regression, it’s just a review.

It’s a re, it’s reassessment. Beautiful, beautiful. So for me, you know, these, these techniques don’t take long and I don’t wanna pick my clients to suffer, but at certain times when I think they’re gonna have to, they’re gonna have to. It’s that moment of pulling the thorn out of your foot. You know, you have to look at it for a moment to get that thought out.

And it isn’t gonna be nice, but once it’s out, then it can start to heal. It’s that moment. Be brave. Ever look at it. It’s the last time it’s gonna affect. , which I think even to model some of those themes for those people who are, let’s say, making use of the regress to cause model, it’s not so much as the, where it came from, it’s the, uh, it’s the resurrection out of it.

So to look at the amount of time that’s spent in the session, it should be done in that rebuilding phase. It should be done on that, uh, that strengthening phase as opposed to, and what else happened and how did you feel? What else? Just that simple phrase of be brave. You’ll experience it for just a brief moment yet, then it’ll be the last time.

I’m, I’m curious to ask this theme of removing the fluff to rewind part of your story back, uh, what was that career path? What was that focus before hypnosis popped into, into the, into the, uh, dialogue here? Sorry. Well, in in what respect? Of the fluff. The fluff? What, uh, what, Yeah. Well, I mean in terms of just your, your origin story, getting into all of this, what career path were you on before getting into hypnosis?

I was, I was in sales. I had my own sales company and, um, You know, I, and, and again, even in sales, part of that for me was communicating and knowing that, you know, half a dozen sales people have been in before you and, and, and, and winning that sale through your own personality, your own, cuz you know, most of the products are pretty much the same.

What makes someone buy from you, from them, from someone else, you know? And I think it’s said that, you know, they make a decision in the first four seconds. And I think part of that, and I think it’s partly why I’d like to think I’m successful as him a therapist, is because I am absolutely myself. You know, you know, it says it does what it says on the tin.

I see who I am. You know, it’s, I don’t change my voice. Mm-hmm. , and I don’t, I don’t change my personality. I, I am who I am. And you know, I know from, from the American point of view when people, I think it was Scott Grossberg said to me, You know, he likes my accent, but apparently he, he doesn’t know I’ve got a London accent.

If you’re American, it’s an English accent and that’s it. Um, but I have got quite a strong London accent. And so I remember a woman came down, see me, she see my picture in the paper to see the advertisement. And she said, uh, it was so nice to find that you are just an ordinary Giza, you know, . Um, which I thought was quite funny, really.

But, you know, I know what she meant. And, you know, I’m just who I am. And, uh, and I love what I do and I’d like to think that, that, that love for what I do, the passion I feel for it. Um, comes over and you, you know, we all have it. I, I’ve, I’ve seen people who have smoked and then they, they quit and they, some of them start smoking again, and when they phone me up, they apologize.

And, which is a very strange thing to think, really, because they paid me money to do a job. You know, if someone came around and did your plumbing for you and tap was still leaking and you wouldn’t phone on and apologized to the plumber, you know, you just, but yet they apologized. Now, I can only imagine it’s because when they were with me, They absolutely knew that I wanted them to be free.

I wanted the best for ’em. And I can’t imagine any other reason why people would phone me up and say, I’m sorry, but I started smoking again. Or I’m sorry, but you know, whatever. And I think, I’d like to think it’s because of that, You know, I want my clients to be well and what I say to my students, and whether this is true or not, whether it’s actually works or not, whether it has any effect or not.

I say, hold this in your heart. It’s, it is just a simple thing to do when you are working with your clients. Just hold the thought in your heart. I care about you and I want you to be, well, Sometimes I’ll actually say it, but I will always think it. And I, I just think that makes a difference. Someone says it’s the difference between giving someone a hug and a pat on the back.

You know, it’s that different, It’s just a different way of, of approaching things. And we can find, you know, we we’re working with lots of different people, lots of different personalities. You can generally find something within that person that you can feel that for, you know, and just hold that in your.

I care about you, I want you to be well. If you think it’s appropriate to say it, say it, but always feel it. And I think that makes a difference. You know, um, that’s just the way I’ll work, which is something that, you know, to be genuine with that, to actually really, truly feel that as opposed to something you just turn on.

And I, I share that, you know, the dialogue of going to various trainings and conventions over the years. We’d hear the person who says, Well, I only see but this many number of clients a day. And it’s not because of. Running a schedule with other things, but it’s that, well, people come in with their problems and that just wears you down to, which, when I hear that it’s the, it’s the opposite of that sentiment that you just expressed, that to go into your session with that care and see them as the result and it becomes this, this fun adventure.

The two of you bringing them along for the ride and see them as the result, you can walk out during the end of the day and have just as much energy as you walked in with. Yeah, I mean, I, I just think you know someone, I said it, I said it the other day, I heard it from someone else, so it’s not even my words.

But there, you know, when we talk about normal economics, you know, when you, if you have, if you have something and you give some of it away, you have less of it. And if you give it all away, you have none of it. But the opposite is when you’re talking about love and kindness. The opposite occurs. The more you give away, the more you seem to get.

And it’s just, it’s, it is goes against the law of economics, you know? It is the one commodity can give, give of it. It comes back fivefold tenfold. And I, I don’t, you must feel the same way. You know the people that care about you and love you, you know, because you are, you are, you know, the people in our world of hypnosis, you know, I say our world of hypnosis is the whole world.

But people who know you and worked with you and, and, and whose lives you’ve enhanced with your understanding business sense and hypnotherapy and therapy sense, you know, that stuff comes back to you. If you are, Let me give you an example. What happened once I used to do these mass groups of smoking. I’ll talk about mass 200 people at a time.

Um, in 2006 I saw 5,000 people for smoking and I did one in quite near to why, where I live now, actually in the city of Hall. And it was overbooked. So the room held 200 people. So I had to book the next night cause we had about 350 people. On the first night, a woman came in and she went home and she quit smoking.

The next night, she came back again with her husband and he just sat outta the back of her room. He paid the money, he sat outta the back of the room and, and he didn’t look interested at all. Anyway, I went through a whole thing. Afterwards, he came up to me, he said, Look, he said, I’m I, I do these one day sales where I advertise a 42 inch tv.

Then I sell them a Hoover, you know, . He said, Oh, I looked around a room. He said, And you’re charging 65 pounds a time, and there’s 200 people here I’ve added up, and it’s 13,000 pounds. It takes you an hour and a half to do this therapy. I can see this is a really good business. I wanna learn how to. And this is what he said, It’s, I’m like, interested in helping people.

Oh yeah. teach me this is seriously, is what he said. Teach me the words and the music. He said, and I can do this. He said, I’m not interested in helping people. And his wife said, You are missing the point. And she must have understood. If all you are thinking about in the therapy room is the money sitting in a chair, seriously, If you are thinking that you’re not, they’ll pick it up.

Even if, don’t pick it up in a normal, what I call normal weight, walking about conscious state. When you’re in hypnosis, all your senses are heightened all your senses. If you open your eyes, you probably ever see better. You better hear better. So the, the, the instinctive, um, feelings are also heightened.

And if you’ll pick it up, if the person doesn’t care about you, they’re not really worried about whether you getting the result or not, they’re only thinking about how many people don’t get in that chair. , they’re not gonna be as successful. I’m sure some people will still quit smoking, but I just feel holding that thought in your heart.

I care about you. I want you to be well transfers over, and even if that’s where you are, hypnotizing 200 people, hold that thought and you get better results. That’s just my feelings on it. Beautiful. And there’s a, there’s a story from the book I’d love to chat about that it, that we find ourselves in these moments where yes, there’s a whole dialogue in a, in a Facebook group right now about is it appropriate to take on this client with this history?

Or someone calls you and says something that, uh, is medically related. What’s the scope of practice? And there’s a previous session we had in the program a couple of weeks back on that, um, though you had a story of, uh, working with somebody and in such a situation where you discovered you were already there in the space and that’s where you made the discovery.

You were into deep the, uh, the John and Emily story. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that was a very scary, In fact, the question came up yesterday in this little, um, group thing that I did yesterday. You know, you know about people, about psychosis, um, about people who, who, who are schizophrenic. And I was very, that was very early on in my career and I was at that point, I was, I was, I like to think I was a lot more naive than I am now.

Um, And I, and, and I had no next to no clients. So I’d taken anyone and I didn’t know. Could you briefly, uh, could you briefly recap it for those who haven’t read the book? Yeah. I mean, I, a girl came to see me and asked if I’d see her brother, and she said that her brother was in bed. He’d been in bed for three days and, uh, he wouldn’t get out of bed, you know, and a mother was really worried about him.

Would I go and see him? So I did. I went to his room and I went to his bedroom and I, he, first thing he said was, You can’t help me. And I said, Well, you know, they’re fine. You know, I’m only here to offer my help. He said, There are people in this room, you cannot see. There are people around you you cannot see.

And, um, I could, they’re speaking to me and you cannot hear them. So I long been stunning, a bit of NLP and meeting people at the model of their world. And so I said, Well, look, you know, there are dogs that can hear things that I can’t hear. And there are birds that can see things I can’t see. There is, there are sounds that are below my hearing ability and there are, there are things that are too small for me to see.

It doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Just because you can see it and I can’t see it, it doesn’t mean that you know that that. It’s unreal. So straight away I stepped over his side of the line and now he’s going, Okay, well maybe, you know, he’s not saying I’m mad. He’s saying maybe this could be true. So I, so I said, Look, if you want me to help you, I’ll hypnotize.

He was in bed anyway, so, you know, I said, Look, all I asked you to close your eyes and listen to my voice. Anyway, we had this bit of time. He opened his eyes, said, I, for yourself, feel great. I said, Well, if you feel really good, get out bed and go make your mom a cup of tea. Cuz she’s been worried about it for days.

So you can imagine a look on these two women’s face when I, when he comes down the stairs with a smile at his face and makes him a cup of tea and been out bed for three days. So only a couple of weeks later, she phones me out, The sister phones me out, but I see him again. I said, Yes, but I’m not coming to his house.

That’s come to me. So he came to my office and luckily at the time I used to work behind a desk. I don’t do that anymore, but I had a desk and uh, I used to have a couch cause of my first initial. Entry into hypnosis was hypno analysis. So that point you’d lay him out on the couch. So he came in a room and, and he, his sister left.

And so I’ll be back in such and such a time. And then he started to look to one ear and he’s like nodding his head as having a conversation and he said, Emily says not to talk to you.

So I’m looking around the room and see where Emily is, you know, but of course she’s only in his head. Then he turns the other ear and um, he, he takes another expression on his face and then he turns back and he said, John says, you know, blah, blah, blah. And then he goes into this voice, this horrible voice.

No one’s heard this voice before. Now, do you know? And I am pulling myself behind a desk. You know, this guy’s got his knuckles on my desk, his spit will coming out, his mouth, eyes bulging out his head. He’s leaning over the desk towards me in this voice that’s come from somewhere close to hell, you know?

And ah, and I, and I’m sitting there thinking, what do I do? You know? Very, very scary. And then he turned to the left ear again, and he went, and then he went back into Emily’s voice, you know. Emily says, Not to frighten you. You know, you’re not a bad person. I know you’re only trying out whatever it was he said at the time, but you know, and I just, I just sat there and he said, Emily says, Well, I should listen to you.

So I thought, I’ve gotta get outta this somehow. So I said, Well, lay on the couch. Lay on the couch. Did some osis with him. And then, you know, his sister came and picked him up and, uh, oh, you know, went home and changed my trousers. Now I didn’t . It was close to it, you know, it was pretty scary. And what I said to this girl yesterday in this room we were having in this.

Session was, I said, You know, we deal with neurosis, not psychosis. And you’ve got to know what your limits are as a hypnotherapist, as a lay person. If you’re a psychiatrist, fine if you’re a psychologist, maybe, but as lay people as people, if you’re not a doctor, if you’re, you know, just trained in hypnosis, understand where your limits are and we deal with new races and psychosis, you need to know the difference between those two things.

And if you think this person looks, you’ll know anyway. If someone psychotic, just hold your hands on and say it’s beyond my remit. Um, but I learned that a hard way, you know, and it can be, it was very scary and it can be very scary for people. Um, that doesn’t mean, you know, cuz as hy therapists, we, we wanna help everyone, don.

We think we can help everyone as well. That’s the problem. We think I’ve got this great tool, I’m sure I can help them. Um, but the other side of that is I always work in my first session with parts negotiation. Well, if you’re working with a schizophrenic and you start talking about parts of them straight away, you’re in very, very dangerous ground.

So you have to be aware of what your level of ability is, if you like and keep yourself safe. That’s what I’d say. But yeah, it was. It was a very scary moment for me. So, yeah, so in general, I mean, in terms of moving the profession forward, in terms of advancing our skills, and I, I really appreciate, I live by, I think it’s the Mark Twain quote of, I didn’t have time to write a short letter, so I wrote a long one instead.

That by, by letting the process become more direct, and it’s not for the sake of speeding it up and getting the next person in the door, it’s that as we sand away, as you call it, the fluff, the work becomes much more direct. And it also allows the person to do the work really in their own time, in their own place.

If you had to make just a suggestion in terms of style, in terms of uh, what needs to happen to move things forward in this profession, what would that possibly be? Well, to move it forward, we’d have to, you know, we do need. Research, you know, with, with the, the thing that I’m working with in pain, it is so effective.

And I’m not just saying because I’m using it and because I’m teaching it, and yet the NHS will not accept it as, as a tool to work with because one, you know, the word hypnosis is a bit of a sticking point. And two, there’s no research. You know, there’s no, we need professions to say, okay, let’s take, you know, 200 smokers and we put another 200 on patches and we put another two PEOP 200 on willpower alone and 200 on, on any hemotherapy protocol for smoking and see what the results are.

We know as hypnotherapist we’re gonna get the better results. Um, but you know, it’s gotta be, um, systematic hasn. And then you’re reading a script and really reading a script, although, you know, there are people out there that do it and get good results, each person gonna read that differently. So it’s very hard to get consistency when it comes to research, you know, is how much of it is the hemo therapist personality affecting it?

How much the words you’re saying, how much is the actual technique affecting it? But until that happens, you know, it’s very difficult and that’s, that’s what’s gonna move it on. We’ve got a guy over here in England, you know him, Adam Eon, you know, he’s a brilliant man. Yes. He’s absolutely fantastic. Now, he, he’s doing, he’s, he is doing a doctorate.

I think it’s the first doctorate in clinical hypnosis. We need people like him to move this on. So for it to become accepted in the medical world. I know there are things like ibs, which the nhs a, yes, hypnotherapy is good for ibs, but there are so many other things. Um, but yeah, in, in terms of what’s gonna move this on in a profession.

It one, it’s gonna be stopping the list of the things that people think they can do with it. You know, hypnosis for growing your hair, hypnosis for enlarging your breasts, you know, all the time are connected, you know, to things. I’m, And I’m not saying that can’t happen, but I’m saying if once, you know, if people are looking from professional point of view, the things we know are of a real value, helping people out of pain, helping people out of fear.

Helping people overcome habitual behaviors, uh, overcoming drug problems. They’re real powerful tools, uh, for help with people. Um, it’s, it’s difficult to know what’s gonna move. I mean, I’d like to know what you think really. What do you think’s gonna move? Yeah, I think. I, I think in terms of, uh, growing community, I’d say really allowing the process to be one that we can look at things without the polarized opinions.

I think that there’s a lot of stuff that’s been out there that, uh, has become a little bit more of a marketing message as opposed to an honest opinion of, uh, this technique is good, this technique is bad. Instead to look at things, more of the case study of here’s how I made this strategy more effective in this specific situation.

So a greater dialogue in terms of the flexibility as opposed to protocols and strategies, you know, being put up against each other, that it’s the actual practitioner, it’s what, it’s what you, it’s what you mentioned in terms of being in the room and really being present with the client and then using those techniques to then transcend that conversation and get that change in motion.

Yeah, as I said, I, I think this is very simple, I think, I think to, to initiate change in someone’s very simple. Um, and, but I think there’s a lot of. The people are very precious of their techniques, very precious of their, their school of hypnotherapy. You know, this is the way we do it, and there’s no other way.

It’s, you know, my, you know what they say, My road or the other road or whatever it might be, you know, it’s, it’s in my way at the highway. That’s the saying, isn’t it? You know, And, and I think, you know, look at, if you have the time to look at what people are doing and do things that fit with you, because not every, not, not my technique might not fit with your personality.

If it feels comfortable, if you can say this, honestly, if you can say these words honestly, then say them. If you don’t believe them, just because it’s a technique, don’t just run it. You know, you have to, I think you have to believe what you’re doing for it to be effective. Um, and as I said, there’s lots of people that are very precious about their school, their method.

I just think, you know, get out there and learn as much as you can. If you think this looks good and I, it’s something I can use and it fits with my personality, I can say these words honestly, and it, it might enhance my client’s life. Then you have a duty of making a, of trying it and doing it. And that’s how I see it.

You know, you shouldn’t say, Well that’s Ericsonian, and I don’t do ericsonian Hippotherapy, that’s regression. So I don’t do that kind of work. You know, get over yourself and do what it, at the end of the day, it’s not about you. It’s not about the therapist, it’s about the client, whatever. If you’ve got something that I think’s gonna help my client, I’m gonna learn it off you.

I’m gonna ask you how you do that, because ultimately I want to be the best I can be for my client, and it’s not about me. It’s really not, you know? Um, yes, I think to some extent. We get personalities in our business, don’t we? We get big personalities and they draw people in and, and if it draws people into this business and more people get into it and more people learn the stuff, great.

But it’s never about the individual. It’s never about this person, this technique. There are better narrat, there are better teachers. Um, But for me, as I said, it’s whatever works my client, I’m gonna use it. Well, I mean, especially to have as the trainer’s perspective, that level of humility to say, I used to do it this way, I used to teach it this way, and now here’s the way that I do it instead, and I’m finding a better result.

And here’s both schools of thought. You know, modify the two for whatever’s gonna fit best for you. Yeah, I mean, I I maybe take my simplicity back to my days of coaching, boxing. You know, we scare guys in the gym and I I know you go to the gym and I dunno, we do martial arts don’t you? Do you do martial? Uh, no I don’t and I’m, uh, strictly weightlifter these days.

Oh, all right. Okay. Well, you know, you get people in the gym and they look really good on the bags. They’re really fancy footwork, they’re great skippers, you know, they can do all that stuff. And if you were wanna film someone in the gym, you’re gonna film that person. But in the ring, and I’m sure Gary, Gary, Smile Turner, Will, will maybe correct me or make or agree with me on this.

What you’re trying to do in there is do it in the shortest period of time. You know, you want to take the guy out in the shortest period of time, you know it. Why dance around and do these different kinds of kicks and punches if you can get a punch to the chin and they spit like that in my therapy room, I’m not talking about knocking my client out, but I’m talking about getting to the point and getting the job done as quickly as possible without all the fancy stuff, which might make you look incredible.

But in truth, you know, ultimately they want to go out free of their problem and they, they’d like to do that as quickly as possible, as you know, nice to sit and talk to you for an hour and a half. You know, if you can do this in 10 minutes, me, for any great do it cuz I’ve got things to do. Um, you know, and if I can find that one punch as opposed to all the fancy stuff that goes around it before I land that one punch, then I’m gonna go straight for the punch.

And that’s how I see the way I work. You know, if I can do it quickly, not because of the speed, but purely because if it can be done in a certain period of time, I’m not about to drag it out for any other reason. That’s just how I see what I do. Outstanding, Freddy, it’s been awesome having you on here. Uh, where can people track down your information online?

Um, freddy jack quinn.com is my website. Um, Anthony and myself, we run the Jack Quinn Hypnosis Academy. Uh, if you wanna come and train with us and, you know, learn, we, we run a diploma course, teaching and teaching all the things we do. Um, there’s the arrow technique. If you wanna learn, just learn the arrow.

You can buy that online. It’s a two, two and a half. Online training with me and um, yeah, that’s about it really. The arrow technique. Anthony, jack queen, um, dot com as well. You know, my son, you know him, you know, he’s a brilliant man. He’s a brilliant therapist and obviously he’s my son. So I’m gonna say that even though it is true, I’m lucky enough to travel with him.

And we bounce ideas off each other. We develop stuff together and hopefully, you know, we’ve got other things in the pipeline of you Were just developing this thing called a Jack Queen, uh, Total Perception Management, which is about being able to switch off an emotion with the snappier thumb, which I’m gonna be teaching in New York in the Hypno biz thing.

Um, yeah, so I’m lucky to be traveling in. So it’s very jack quinn.com. If you wanna go to my website, Anthony Jack Quinn dot com. If you go know Anthony’s website, he does stuff as well as the therapy. He does the street hypnosis and the mentalism, so he adds another. Level hypnosis to it. And then this is the Jack Quinn Hypnosis Academy, if you’d like to come and train with us.

But thanks for having me on. It’s been great speaking to you. I look forward to seeing you in London in a few weeks, um, where we can catch up. So yeah, thanks again for letting me speak.

Jason. Lynette here once again, and as always, thank you so much for leaving your reviews online for sharing this program on your social media streams. And head over to Amazon as well as Audible to pick up Freddy’s new book hypnotherapy, and also check out hypnotic business systems.com. There’s no need to reinvent the wheel in terms of growing your successful hypnosis business, and I’ve got the roadmap to help you do it.

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