Session #216: Martin Castor Peterson on One Session Wonders

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This is the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast, session number 216 Martin Castor Peterson on one session. Wonders, welcome to the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast with Jason Lynette, your professional resource for hypnosis training and outstanding business success. Here’s your host, Jason Lynette. Welcome back to the program, and a welcome back to Martin Castor Peterson, who previously was on the program back in December, 2016 on episode number 92.

Here we go about, uh, about three years later, coming back to discuss a rather questionable, if not at times controversial theme in the hip ntic profession. The idea of what we like to call the one session. Wonder now, for those of you that aren’t familiar with this concept, it’s the question of can you produce massive, significant change in the shape of just one session?

Even more than that, can you put out to the public the promise that you can do the same thing? You can create massive, significant change in the shape of just one session. Well, you’re gonna see that we come down to one rather simple. It depends, , Although in this session you’re gonna hear Martin and I have a bit of a conversation around what are, so some of those things that happen that help to produce that one session wonder result?

What are some of the themes? What are some of the ideas of do we go after the behavior itself? Do we go after the backstory? Or as Martin says, do we go after the intention and some beautiful conversational hypnosis strategies that you can set in motion to really help increase that efficacy? A simple one session result, though of course, you’re gonna hear our dialogue around how, of course, to create that opportunity for more work, if that’s what’s going to be appropriate.

So really listen to this episode all the way through. You’re gonna find there’s a lot of important takeaways, some important themes, and really some rather simple concepts that you can plug into your work immediately. And I’d encourage, uh, check out the Hypno Academy. Dot com. That’s actually Martin’s website.

We can learn about his, uh, programs, his upcoming training that he’s gonna mention here that’s coming up rather soon. For those of you that are listening to this episode as it launches, again, check that out over the Hypno Academy. Dot com While you’re online. Also check out hypnotic workers.com. This is the All Access pass to my hypnosis training library.

Everything from Techniques for Change to full client sessions to model. Check that [email protected] And with that, let’s jump directly into this content packed session. Take some notes. Put this stuff to use. This is session number 216 Martin Castor Peterson on one session Wonders.

So Martin, we were chatting online and we got off on the topic of one session Wonders, and I know there’s no straightforward answer to this question, but here we go. Martin. One session. Wonders Pro or Con. Ah, yeah, . You know, it depends on the conversation really. Uh, I think, you know, we had this discussion and I think it’s fun because, uh, going to all the conferences we do, um, and, and gatherings of, of professionals or semi professionals, it’s always like the biggest debate when it comes to that.

We, we will have the dinosaur and professionals saying, Well, there’s no such thing, and you’ll have the same people, but in, uh, in the other camp or the other side of room saying, Well, there is a such thing. So I think it’s all. What set of expectation do you put in the minds of your clients and, uh, how do you really work with hypnosis?

Because if you work with hypnosis in a classical term, I’m pretty sure there will be no one session wonders on unless it’s the ones that happens out of, of, you know, this shadow of just randomness really. And, and it’s usually. Result that is never spoken of in the session. And I love those moments because if it can surprise your client, and if it can surprise you, it’s, it’s, it’s really awesome, isn’t it?

Like I go back to the idea of prestige suggestion. Yeah. That this is something we talk about as usually being a negative thing that, you know, maybe here’s the parent who says you’re just like your father. You’re always going to be a loser. Or, you know, not to put down any other profession. The doctor who says, Well, with this condition, you’re never going to walk again.

Which, well, yes, maybe not. And sometimes, and, and you can’t plan this, you may land the one specific thing the person needed to hear. Uh, my quick example is, here’s this woman that I worked with years ago, and she says, I got her to quit smoking with one sound. She was in the office, and the whole story is how bad this recent breakup was and how horrible it is.

And I’m, I’m letting her go for a while and I’m remembering, Yeah, she’s here for stop smoking. And this is the exact language from the room because she had used it. Oh, it’s horrible. And he promised this. He promised that. And I just found the right opening to go. Yeah. But you were a two pack a day smoker before you met this asshole, right?

Yeah. She goes, Yeah. I go, Huh. That sound effect of, Huh? She goes in that moment, I stopped. It’s interesting, isn’t it? Because, uh, I, I love those moments and that is usually what most people connect with what we call the one session wonders, right? and, and the, I think the, the biggest misconception in all of this is people promising clients one session wonders, but their approach is, is classic, it’s old school and it’s, it’s them actually crossing fingers throughout the whole session.

Oh yeah. For that moment you just explained. But they have no currency will happen because of the session. So what took me quite a while was actually to, to go and try and decode all my sessions throughout the past five or seven years thinking, Okay, so all the amazing results I’ve got, what happened in the session?

And, and analyzing all of that. The interesting thing was actually in the sessions where everything happened, like a one session wonder and, um, I usually say the, the bigger problem, the client thing, it is. The closer we get to the one session wonder. Yeah. For some weird reason. Yeah. Um, and as, and if anyone out there is a potential client for any hypnotist, uh, do not let this sway you.

But it’s that discovery that the one who’s smoking three packs a day just stops. Yeah. Uh, the one who’s holding onto those two or three single cigarettes a day, that’s the one I usually have who walks in going saying they’re addicted. Yeah. Um, but you know, it, it’s that place where the bigger the issue, the more rapid the quality of the change.

I. Exactly, So, so there’s a couple of things I focused on, uh, from separating my, the, the old way of doing it, uh, to a new way of doing it. First of all, separate intention from behavior because a lot of therapists out there is actually dealing with the behavior as the problem. But behavior is always a result of an intention or wanting so, So instead of just spending three sessions talking about the bad behavior and how to get rid of it and how to do things instead, we are not really, really taking care of the actual.

Initial, um, intention behind it. And that’s the problem though. That’s why some clients keep coming back because it’s never really solved, is it? So that, that is the one focus I started to do. Yeah. Is there a story, is there an example of that you can share? Um, well there, there is actually a story because, uh, I remember, well actually, basically my first stop smoking client ever, like way back, uh, it was a friend of mine and, um, what I thought we should do was actually.

Uh, talk about the behavior as something he knew it was bad. So I was taught in school that, well, we have to lecture them in what other kind of bad things can happen if they continue so we could kind of create this negative image of the future if they don’t stop now. And 99.9% of the entire session was all about negative or creating neg negative.

And, uh, he, he hated cauli. For some reason he hated that. So, uh, from the stuff I I, I was taught in, in school doing hypnosis was, well, let’s combine the taste of cigarettes with cauliflower because apparently he hates that. So we can have those two battle it out and, and what happened two weeks later? He came in like, I think I need another session.

I’m like, Okay, so, so are you not, uh, are you not a non-smoker anymore? He’s like, Yeah, well, I’m actually smoking again. And the problem is I started eating, eating cauliflower too, . And I’m like, So what the hell went wrong? Because I did everything like a textbook example of everything that was in my manual.

So I kind of like lost faith. So, so we, we only talked about behavior and how to try and get around the behavior by really demonstrating more negative behavior, and that is not very suitable for the brain. Is it ? So, so instead of that, looking at all the sessions I’ve done, uh, all the sessions that just had like a home run on the first hit.

Was all the sessions where we basically, or I basically pattern interrupted them every time they wanted to talk about the behavior or the problem. Nice. I’m not really sure why I did it, because that was way before I met John Odor and all those ideas, but I just kept pattern interrupted because I was fed up about all the negativity and I was fed up with the idea that I had to analyze them and try to find a solution for them.

My question, my, my one simple question was, how do you want to feel when you wake up tomorrow and you are even better than the result you think is possible to, to create today? And they went like, Hmm, I never thought about that. But they always had an answer. Mm-hmm. . So instead of focusing on the bad behavior of the negative, I wanted to focus on how they think things could be better tomorrow when they wake up and everything is fine.

So by doing that, suddenly the intention behind it kind of like surfaced by itself. And, uh, that changed the behavior instantly right there because that’s how the neural networks work and that’s how the synapses follow up on that. And instead of, of. You know, addressing or attacking the behavior as the negative one.

When we went to the actual source of intention, they sorted out the issue with the behavior and they changed it just like a six step reframe kind of thing. If you do nlp, you, you know, you find three alternatives to the old behavior that is now positive and then the brain adapts to that. But this. In a way more sophisticated or more efficient.

I’m, I’m not really sure why then, but now I know why, because that’s basically how the brain works. So there was a big gap in my, my, my, my manual of how to do hypnosis. I, I kept looking at it, but everything I realized is not part of that book. I’m like, so, Hey, uh, I’m doing everything wrong apparently. Uh, I, I, I love the background.

I love the history, I love all my experiences with it, but, but something is wrong. That is how I kind of like stepped out of the, me being a minimi of somebody else. Mm-hmm. and, and just following the, the scripts or the manual as a step by step tool to fix your clients because it didn’t really work.

Problem was, and that’s the same problem I hear people talk about right now and today when I talk about this is, well, if you see one client one time compared to the same client 10 times, you know, the economics in that is way different. And I’m like, Yeah, that’s correct. But at the same time, when, when I’m coaching and mentoring, uh, fellow hypnotists, what they usually get fed up with is clients revisiting the office.

Would barely any results or no results at all. Like, why didn’t you go home and change that? Come on. Right. That the most frustrating is, Well, I feel better about things now, but I still haven’t, you know, fill in the blank. Yeah. Yeah. If, if that’s not demotivating for you as a therapist, what is Right. So I, I kind of like changed my mindset seven, eight years ago to being only positive and see the resources and everything.

So I. Yeah. Well first of all, if I see one client one time, maybe two on rare occasions, I feel totally ecstatic about that because isn’t that amazing? You can change somebody in such a short amount of time, and basically, I’m not changing them. They’re changing on the go and I see that. So they see it on the go and, and in, in spite of.

Thinking, Oh, that’s nine sessions out of the window. Uh, I’m thinking good stuff. I’m not seeing them again for the same problem. They did the work already. Awesome. Right? And they go back home and then tell five client, uh, five, uh, colleagues, then five friends, and then five people from down the street. And now I got 15 potential clients who saw the results from that one session.

And I’m like, if that’s not amazing, getting 15 new clients because of one people who cha or one person who changed in one session and they can see the results. It’s not just an idea story. They can see it. So they walk into my office with a really, uh, high expectation of change, and that helps my session.

Yeah. So I mean, to especially look at it of the, the experience that here’s someone who’s getting that result and, you know, to, to build the business model, as I’d say, of raving fans rather than lifelong dependence. Oh, yeah. You know, uh, uh, I think we have a mutual fellow hypnotist out of, of the uk who’s, who’s not very fond of the word hypnotherapist.

So he calls them hypno. They’re rapist . And, and I, in, in the past I was kind of like, Oh, well that’s really demeaning of saying something like that because that is really making fun and games out of something I take very seriously. But if we look at this in, in the perspective I just told about, Or talked about, it’s, it kind of like makes sense in a way because why do we wanna.

Have people leaving the office knowing we could have done better. Mm-hmm. and, and, and some people just accept that. And it’s not my quest to go and change that as long as I feel happy, uh, while sitting in the chair of the therapist because I wanna feel happy. I wanna, I wanna show my clients how happy you can be.

Even though that you might have faced some of, you know, the biggest crisis you ever had in life, but you, you went through it and you are on the good side of the surface right now, and now you’re showing others that you can do it because if you, if you are not able to do that, Your clients wouldn’t be able to do it.

Right. They go, Let’s go back for a second. Yeah. Cause I love the theme of framing. That’s so much of what we could do if we, if we frame it in a different way, that’s what really sets that expectation. Um, and I share briefly is something you mentioned of crossing the fingers. Um, and it’s amazing how sometimes one statement at the right time could completely shift the expectation that when I greet my clients, I tell them now in the lobby, uh, for your benefit and.

I am extremely impatient. So during this time together, it’s not gonna be the game of crossing the fingers. Hope it works. Let me know how it goes. Yeah. Instead, you’re gonna see that there’s ways I’m checking in with you the entire time that we’re both gonna be getting that feedback that we’ve taken care of this thing.

Yeah. Sound good? Yeah. Good. Come on back. And, and just that little bit of an expectation shift. Uh, I hesitate to say this sometimes, but it takes techniques and, uh, I love the phrase of going placebo on stuff that actually works. Exactly, so the technique was effective, however, the framing made it just world class.

So what are you doing to, to build that framing around it? Well, I, I’m, I’m doing something similar in a way, but, but it, it might be a little bit different because, um, I do know that most clients think they’re unique in the problem state. And they think, Ah, well I might be the only one with this kind of problem, or as deep as this problem feels.

And they think they’re unique in a way that’s very negative. And, and if I kind of followed along with that and did what most people do, like, okay, so. Uh, well, tell me about your problem and how often do you feel it and, and all of that. Right, , I just go, Oh, that’s interesting because I had numerous of clients with, uh, similar, uh, problems but way more severe and they had less resources than you.

So today will be fun. You might think it was a problem, but today will be fun. So finally you pick the right time. Huh? And they go, Huh? I’m like that, that’s basically the state I want them in. Cause now, I shattered the neural networks of them thinking they know what the problem is. Mm-hmm. , because basically we know, you know, and most people who are listening right now, they know that the idea of the problem that’s in the mind of the client is never really the problem.

Yeah. So, So I want to go beyond that as fast as possible. And, and another way that, another thing I wanna share is , instead of building high expectation up to the moment, where am I hypnotized or not? Because that’s usually the critical point of any session as being a hypnotherapist, right? Um, I’m totally destroying that from the very first moment.

Basically, I’m totally destroying it. And, and clients, they’re so confused about it, but they forget about it. And they forgot about the problem. When they opened their eyes again and they, they, the first question would be like, Was I hypnotized? And my, my, my counter answer, uh, question would be, I don’t know, were you

And they go, I don’t know. And, and again, I will go, probably you were then right? . And so I just wanted to throw the phrase I sure hope so, . Yeah. But I just, I, I know it and I trust it. And as long as I feel like that, they have no doubt it happened. But the way I get them there is basical. Because the, they think we have to talk about hypnosis.

They, we have to talk about trans what to expect an author. They already know it. So there’s no need to go into any kind of describing what hypnosis is and how to get them there, because if there’s. One thing that is not on the spot, or exactly as I told them, their conscious minds will go and resist that and think, Well, that’s not what you told me.

And I don’t want them to be in that kind of situation. So what I do is usually they want us. You know, they, they step into the office. They might have a list with them, with things they wanna talk about. And I go, So what’s the theme of the problem today? And they go, It’s, it’s this. And I’m like, Okay. And usually they follow up with something they wanna talk about, and I’ll just pattern interrupt saying, That’s okay.

I’ll get back to that later. But before we do, so how do you wanna feel tomorrow when you wake up and everything is more fine and you think it’s possible? Right? And that confuses them. And then start talking about that. And then I go, Well, before we do anything that has to do with anything of, you know, related to hypnosis, I just wanted to sit down and close your eyes and think about a great memory you had in the past somewhere where you are by yourself, outside, maybe in the nature.

And tell me how that feels like right now. Mm-hmm. . And in that moment they interact with that old memory. It’s positive, they feel it. So now I got all the census going already without even doing an in. And I’m, I’m, I’m, I’m kind of like focusing on the prime moment in that experience, and I’m creating creativity within their mind.

By focusing on it and do like a 32nd relaxation process, and now we can start doing therapy without doing like a classic induction and they never know what hit them. If you had the eeg, uh, devices or whatever in your office, you will see that go straight down to seven or eight, uh, hertz per, per, per second.

In that very moment where we talk about the census, how they feel in that moment, they’re thinking of right. And that is really interesting. And that is three to five minutes within my session. Mm-hmm. that leads 55 minutes to talk about all the resources and all the solutions they already know. And, and, and in that way that is how I preframe them.

So there’s not gonna be another question about the problem. There’s not gonna be another. Resisting part in the conscious mind thinking, well, is this working at all? Because they’re all hyped, they’re all excited about the experience, and every time they’re thinking something, I will go straight to the body asking them, So how does that feel and how do you know?

And if it’s a negative, they get confused because they don’t really know. And that means it must me be something different. And if they do feel it means it’s something positive and I’ll just, you know, expand that even more. So it overtakes whatever. Doubt there might be left in the brain and that will make the, the positive intention and neural network even more powerful.

And in many ways, you’re taking that positive resource and now reimprinting it. And I imagine, yes, at times you are of course going back to that behavior. But you’re, I, I always go back to Dr. John Hartland, the, the classic ego strength and approach. Yeah. That this goes back to the argument of, oh, if you take away the negative behavior, it’s gonna have to come about somewhere else, even worse.

And he was out to disprove that. And by putting together his, uh, his methods, he was basically negating the need for hypno analysis, finding a much faster resolve than the premise was. Build up the individual before going after quote, direct symptom removal. Yes. So in a similar formula of drawing out the strengths, what do you already have?

And it’s something that, and, and tell me if you find this too, working with clients that, and this is not to put down in any category yet the one who is entire life is in disarray. Everything is falling apart, nothing is going well. Yeah. Unfortunately those are not the ones calling. Nope. Uh, it’s usually here’s everything that’s going right.

It’s just that one thing. Yeah. Which there’s every bit of a foot in the door, every bit of resources to duplicate, copy and paste and, uh, bring into the process. Yeah. And I, I think, you know, my, my practice might be a little bit different because I feel like I got like 50 50 of, of both actually. Uh, but that might relate to the, you know, reputation I have in, in when I do live sessions in Europe because that is kinda like, well if nobody else can fix, you go see Martin, um,

So, so I usually get those who think I am the last option. And, and most therapists will think like, Oh my God, I can only fail on this one because what if something happens on what if nothing happens? Right? But I’m like, Okay, if they’re already hyped about I, I am the last option, why not utilizing that and let them know within the first minute that they make the right decision today?

Because I do things differently. And that’s the only thing I tell them. I’m I. Everything so far, all the positives. Take those with you, all the negatives. Just leave them behind because I do things differently. Yeah, and there’s so much power in that. There’s so much power in that framing. And it’s true because I’m me, so I do do things differently.

Right. And, and that statement alone gives me all the rights to, to, to enter their mind and, and help them do the change way because they trust me from the very beginning. Instead of me starting ask questions like, uh, being, uh, you know, hesitant about really knowing what to do, I just go, just go straight to it.

Like, Oh, that’s awesome. Well we gonna fix that today. And I believe in. So that’s the difference. I don’t, I don’t just say it because it’s, it’s a fancy thing to do. I know it, I know we will do great today. So, so with that energy within my whole behavior that overtakes the session and they’re there with me within seconds really.

Nice, Nice. Is there a story of working with someone in that respect where here’s everything that was a challenge, and just really by interrupting that process, that’s what got the change? Yeah, because, you know, to, to, to kind of like to flip it just, just a little bit, um, What a lot of people are afraid of when they’re seeing clients is kind of like challenge the old problem in the end of the session.
Yes. And I do understand that because I did that for so many years. I was kinda like, Oh, this is, this is the time we can fail and the client wants the money back and all of that. And, and you know me, I’m. You know, I’m, I’m not afraid of, of, of, of anything really. And if people say that’s impossible, I will say, let, let’s prove it.

It’s possible. Um, so one of my techniques that I use without going into details is basically one of my, my finishing techniques before I end the session. Is, is giving the client opportunity on a conscious level, on a ego conscious level and also on an unconscious level to challenge me with the results of the session with not just the problem, but anything they consider was a problem before they actually came into my office from the entire.

And I’m stacking all those problems on top of each other as a visual thing, telling them you’ll be able to feel and sense everything in just a moment. But you know what, you’ll just take one step through and you know what? You’ll find another resource and you’ll just wipe away the dust from your shoulders and you will feel amazing.

Nod your head when you know you’re ready. Now, , and they takes a second, they nodding their head and say, And they just, there will be this big sigh and, and a deep breath and they start smiling and I say, How great was that? And, and most of them are kinda like touch to tears or ecstatic. And I say, Can we agree on the fact that just one of those many, many, many things, if we did talk about that before this session, you’ll be way too emotional to continue with this session.

And they all agree on that. And now comes another thing I say. . I will. I will tell you now to do your best and try and connect to everything you think was part of the problem in the past. And I want you to try and feel it, but let me know what happens instead. Mm. And you can sit them, you see them, or watch them sit there for like 30 seconds.

Really trying, but nothing happens. That means when they open up their eyes, And then tell me about the new resource that they discovered by doing the, the, the, um, judgment day kind of experience. Just walking through it all. Right. There’s no, nothing at all in the conscious mind, which is the problem mind.

There’s nothing in the conscious mind now that. Um, mess with the results of the, of, of the, uh, session because if there was anything left, if there was any creative idea, it would have happened within that last technique because they are way more creative in that technique than they are when they were open up their eyes, because now they’re just conscious with their on focus point.

Right. Um, so in that way I just sit there and look at them smiling, saying, How does that really feel? and I will have them give me confirmation that everything they feel right now is way beyond what they thought was possible before the session. And now I’m multiplying that saying, Well, this happened just within an hour.

Mm-hmm. . Think about how that feels tomorrow when you wake up and had a good night’s sleep and many hours on top of that, because this was just one hour. And they go, Wow. That’s how people leave my office and, and that makes things so, so powerful and, and it’s, it’s, it’s kind of like a guarantee or unless Well, it’s, it’s difficult to say guarantee though, but it’s, it’s.

It’s 99 out of a hundred who get that experience from, from a session when I structure it like this, and in my world, that is the one session wonder that most people are afraid of. Yeah. But it’s just a different approach, so, So back to the very beginning. I mean, let’s elaborate on that. It’s that moment of really challenging the change.

Really just call out testing the work. Yeah. So rather than, again, the fingers crossed hope it works. We’re getting that feedback mechanism in the room where it usually tell me if it’s the same in your space. It usually starts with a bit of confusion on their part to go, I can’t recreate it, I can’t create it.

And this becomes that place to become a little provocative at times of No, really try to bring back that sens. It’s why we’re here. Exactly. And I, and you know, and, and, and I totally agree with that because I will be quite provocative throughout the session. And that is not to, to, to piss them off or anything like that.

It’s basically to provoke the conscious mind because it can take only so much and if it gets a little bit too much, it will just leave the conversation. And I want the conscious mind to leave the conversation. I only want the conscious mind to, to answer if it’s spoken to. Because all our clients really are all that you are and I am is change.

And basically let’s, let’s bend that a little bit because we are way more than change. All we are is changing all the time. So don’t, don’t show up at my office telling me, Well, it’s been like this for a year now. Nothing else happened. Impossible. So, because if I believe in everything that we are is changing, imagine how much stuff that can be done in, in, in 59 minutes sitting in my chair, right?

So, so I totally believe in it. And, and that is, that is the, the, the biggest, vibrant energy of, of the conversation between me and my, my clients. So I dragged them into that mindset. Without them really knowing it. And they’re gonna be in that mindset within a couple of minutes from the very beginning of the session.

And that is really wonderful. So to play the other side of it, you’re in that moment towards the end. Yeah. And they are still holding onto the problem. They are still able to recreate that situation. What, what now? Uh, never happened the past seven years. Nice. Yeah. And, and if let’s What about the experience?

I had somebody saying, Go ahead. Yeah. I had somebody saying like, Well, What if there’s still a problem? Yeah. And, and you know, most people be totally maybe even devastated by that thinking, Oh, we have to do it all over again. Or as Melissa Tears calls it, the Yeah. But I’m not really in that situation right now.

Yeah, right. so, so what I do instead is, Well, that’s a brilliant idea, but what is it that you really know now that will happen if you thought that was a possib? And now they give me the answer. So it’s just a creative idea of what if, but asking them a deepening question, they will actually explain to me how they will solve it by themselves.

Mm-hmm. with all the resources they got, just got, And I will say, That’s it. That sounds like a good idea. So what’s the problem? And now they go, uh, I don’t know. So they just solved it. So, and, and if it happens in, in something that will be similar to. I will just give that as another suggestion, thinking about everything that could happen from when you leave the office and every day you wake up and life happens in front of you.

How easy you will adapt to the challenges and see the resources and how to overcome it. How to say yes, and how to say no in the right situations because you now know who you. And they go, Oh yeah, that’s right. So, so I’m just multiplying the experience and the resources by a question like that. So if people give me a question like that, I will go rubbing my hands going like, Oh, we gonna multiply the results right now.

Mm-hmm. , instead of thinking, Oh shit, I didn’t expect that. Right. Yeah. So, So I just reframe it on the go and right away because, We have to remove all doubt, and we have to remember that there’s really nothing as being negative or doubt Really. What it really is, is them protecting themselves and, and doing the best to survive in the, in the mindset of a Neanderthal, because that’s what we do.

If we have too strong emotions, that might be hurtful, that might be dangerous because will we be able to survive if we’re standing in the corner feeling ourselves and knowing, Oh, I feel love right now, would we. The mammoth come storming from behind and, and spur us in the back while standing in the corner smelling a flower.

Right? Um, so that’s basically it. So we still have that old neanderthal survival mode within our brains because it will never leave actually. That’s why we keep a pessimistic mind on some occasions thinking what could go. But if you actually in control, you can take control of that situation knowing that there might be some challenges.

So I will pick that way because that is the most resourceful way for me, and that is a better. Instead of just standing there frozen in a moment of time of the challenge of the problem. Right. So that is the biggest difference I think. So inside of this, is there that still four, let’s call it ction, the close your eyes.

Follow my instructions cuz so much of this has been, and this is how I work as well, and I mean conversational in nature and again, back to framing, how we present what’s going on. So, what’s the question, ? Yes. Is there, is there formal, let’s call it hypnosis inside of that have close your eyes now. Follow my instructions.

Well, yeah. Well that more, you know, develop organically out of it. Yeah. Because you know, hypnosis is, Hypnosis is hypnosis. Yeah. And people usually, Connect hypnosis with the method method of how to get people there and or the techniques or whatever. In my world, hypnosis is, is a state of mind. It’s where we can get the stuff done.

So it’s a tool, it’s not a brand or a product. Mm-hmm. . So, So yeah. There. If we look into the old books, I think one of my oldest ones is, uh, Tourette’s, uh, 1888 books on, on hypnotherapy are not hypnotherapy in a modern way, but still it has elements of how I do my conversational hypnotherapy today because it’s, uh, it’s.

It’s all about the resourceful state and how to overcome challenges. So in that perspective, it, it still has a lot of elements of how to structure a regular hypnosis session. But if, but I’m leaving out all the analysis and all the conclusions that I have to draw on behalf of my client, I’m leaving all of that out of the question.

So what hypnosis really is, even if you go all the way back to the old Egypt of the sleep temples, that was basically of getting people into the most resourceful state and have them to battle it out with the positive resources and create a even better outcome on the other side. So if you look at hypnosis like that, that is, that is basically what I do.

The only thing I modified is, is changing that into a modern language and applying all. You know, the knowledge of the brain and, and the quantum physics or whatever, uh, applied all of that into the methods and the techniques. So I know that what I’m doing actually is factual based on the evidence of the science today.

Uh, in that way, I can speed up some processes. I can leave out others or I can apply new ones because that is the latest. Details from, from, you know, the scientific world of how the brain works. So it’s all those layers, but in my world it’s still just hypnosis. Yeah. Well it’s the labeling of it where we often get hung up on at the jargon around it.

Yeah. And you know, to go directly to the point of, I, I love the insight of going after those resources and really rewriting that story that, uh, I’ve been saying to clients in. Months just to, you know, referencing over to my laptop that’s in the corner, Hey, that thing’s got a really big hard drive and the computer crashed a couple of weeks ago and I had to wipe everything clean and to delete all of that information.

Took seconds, . And we like to think our brain is that advanced organ, and yet it’s a little bit more like the old VHS cassette tape. Where you’ve gotta stick it in the machine and hit record and write something over it. Yeah. So, which with that in mind, how would you like to feel today? Exactly. And from there, that then builds off that process of, here are those strengths that you’ve got, here are those resources.

And you know, finding that place to then, is there a specific place in your process where, let’s say you’re moving away from intention and then reminding them back to the problem that Yes, they hired you to help them. Uh, not intentionally, I think, uh, or not something that is structured, but you know, uh, considering what you just told me, I’m, I’m doing something similar sometimes when, when I have clients saying, Well, uh, my experience on my trauma is huge, so this will take sessions.

I’m like, How do you know that? And they go, Well, you know, it’s been with me for 25 years. I’m like, How fast do you think the trauma actually happened? Exactly. And they go, Well, within a split second. I’m like, That’s correct. That is the real trauma. Why do you think that is different from any other trauma?

And they go, Well, It’s been with me for 25 years and now I reveal the real world to them saying, Well, everything that happened since that split second until this moment is something you applied to, to the real origin of the trauma. So that is not real. It’s something you apply to it and make it real, but it’s really not, is it?

So if it could be created in a split second, how fast do you think can be removed? And they go. And in that moment, whatever they think was impossible to deal with now becomes very possible. And now it becomes a fun session. Mm-hmm. , because now they get a little bit eager actually to, to go into it and actually experience it a little bit.

Figuring out what was it really way back 25 years ago, What was it really? Because everything else. Imagine how many split seconds you had for the past 25 years. On top of that, those are all false realities. Has nothing to do with the real trauma, and that’s what I’m looking for. So I, I wanna solve the real trauma and have everything else just dissolve by itself.

Yeah. When you look at major life changes, you know, someone’s belief structure of, let’s call it either religion or politics changes. Yeah. Or someone’s in a relationship and they quote, discover new information, uh, that thing is over. Yep. And it may have been reinforced over the years by other experiences.

And just that, that little nugget alone, I mean that really what sets us up for that instant change. Exactly. Exactly. So it’s interesting because it’s, it’s, it’s never what the client thing it is. And if I spent like the night before, I, I’m seeing clients figuring out what to do with my clients, that would be a waste of time anyway, so I just.

I don’t wanna know anything about my clients before they actually arrive to my office. I don’t wanna know about the problems, just, I just want like a, a title to the, to the session so I can manage or kind of know just a little bit. But I know for a fact it will never be that topic anyway. Yeah, so, so that’s the interesting part.

It makes it easier for me in a way. So if you had to put a percentage on it, like how much time are you spending on quote and, and I’m perhaps not a true regression to cause type model, but how much of the process is focused on that old story though? Well, here’s the thing though, uh, it’s real difficult to put a number on it because if we’re talking about it in a sense where we step into that old story and we talk about the details, , uh, I’m not really doing that anymore because I will have people work through a trauma model where they never have to access the actual, uh, trauma or issue or situation, but they can still deal with it.

Yeah. So in, in the old way I did stuff, it might be five to 10% at least in any session, and that will require more time because they get stuck in the emotions that is usually false anyway. Uh, but now as we. Kind of like attacking it from different points of view because they know what happened in the subconscious mind.

It knows what happened, so we don’t have to visit it or go through it or whatever to get the conscious mind to understand it because it will never understand it anyway. So I’m looking for the truth in it and what really happened and what they gained from it in a positive way. And in that way, they can dissolve the trauma by themselves without even have.

Go through it or just look at it really. So it’s really amazing what you can do today with, with different approaches compared to, to all school stuff. Well, I think what’s great about that is to put the intention on the result that some of the older methodologies that are shared inside of progression are more focused on insight.

Well, here’s why I feel that way. Yeah. Uh, which unfortunately you’ve had those clients where, Well, now I know why I feel this way, and now I feel even worse about it. Yeah. Instead to put every bit of that intention on how do I get out of it? How do I not have to live that way anymore? How do I already have the strength to catch up to really where I am now and not have to keep repeating that same old story exactly.

So, so let’s leave out all those questions and doubting and, and concerns about what should we do and just go straight through, uh, the process of getting into the resourceful state and, and it has all the answers anyway. Yeah. So yeah, that’s basically how I do it. So what you’re telling me is, uh, one session wonders, we’re on the pro side.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Only took us 39 second. 39 minutes and 39 seconds. Exactly. There you go. Uh, so where can people find out more about you online? Well, uh, they can go to modern castor live.com, uh, the hypno academy.com. And, and actually got some good stuff coming up, uh, in very short time actually. Yeah. Share, Share what’s coming up?

Uh, I’m gonna be in Scottsdale from June, uh, sixth. And I’ll do the very first train the trainer of getting to know and how to, uh, do all my protocols, all my techniques with modern hypnotherapy. But it’s not just gonna be a basic course, it’s actually gonna be a train the trainer. So people who attend that will be able to do their own classes afterwards and be able to certify within several organizations so they can have students and teach other people how to do this amazing stuff in a modern way.

So I’m really much looking forward to that. It’s gonna be a special one though. Yeah. So the ability to learn how to do it, but also how to share it with others. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And give us a, give, like an overview. I know we’ve been talking about it for a while here, but like an overview of the actual content, the approach.

Yeah. Well, uh, you know, if, usually when you go to like a train the trainers, uh, class, uh, usually, and you might agree with this, Usually you go through the manual and you talk about the steps in the manual. So you know your future students will understand the manual as you read it right now, and I’m really not fond of that.

So, because everyone can read a manual, everybody can teach from a manual, but the question is, are you really good, uh, as a teacher? So, The choices I’ve made on this training is basically I divided up into two, uh, two chunks of four days with one day in between. The first four days is gonna be all about finding your inner passion of teaching and how to inspire others.

So it doesn’t really matter if you’re gonna teach a class, if you’re gonna speak at a TEDx event or in corporate or whatever. I will, I will teach you how to find your inner passion for teaching and inspiring and motivating others through some really amazing techniques. Because if there’s one thing I do not want out of a class like this would be seeing 10 more mini walking around in the world saying stuff like me and do like I do.

Uh, I wanna see people who can inspire me. So that is the main purpose of the training, developing other people who can also inspire me as a person. So it’s gonna be four days into the depth of really knowing how to teach, uh, how to use a model that will be beneficial for all students. So you will actually have accelerated learning in a faster way, in a more powerful way.

So it. You’re teaching so much easy and structured, and then a day off people can go to Sedona Scottsdale, two hours away from Sedona. It’s gonna be beautiful there. And then four days about all my techniques and the content, but not in a, Let’s go through the content because everyone will get access to all the content beforehand.

So they know about it, but we will go into the depth of the content so people know, why did I make that decision? Why did I put that technique right there? Why is it there at all? And why? Why isn’t there other techniques? So they were gonna get all the science and all the proof of why it’s set up like it is, so they know why they’re using.

And they know, uh, why it’s structured in that way. So they know and understand the science behind the protocol. Uh, that’s basically it. And, and, and on top of all of that, they will be able to work with anyone at any time without looking at any paper, just looking into the client’s eye and go, Here we go, Get ready,

Something like that. Yeah. Cool. And what’s the website again? Where they can learn more? If they go to the hypno academy.com, uh, they will get all the information from the, uh, instructional, uh, instructor’s menu, or if they go to Martin castor ca a sst o, uh, or live.com, martin caster live.com. They’ll be a, uh, a button there saying, Well, we got the train the trainer coming up in Scottsdale, so it has all the information.

Otherwise, find me on Facebook, on Instagram, on all the social media, and I’ll be happy to answer your questions. Cool. Any final thoughts before we wrap it up? Uh, yeah. Uh, let’s have a final question. So, as you’ve been listening to all of this, um, not, not just you Jason, but everybody who’s listening right now, is I want you to think about who you really are in what you do, because you might have an idea.

But what would happen if you stepped outside of that box and looked at things in a different way? Did you actually pay attention to all the background on all sides? Did you actually pay attention to the change work you’ve been through, even though you thought you just sat there and listening to other people?

So I want you to imagine what more could happen. In the, in, in developing of you mind or your mind, or you as a person, if you start paying attention to everything else there is right on the tip of your nose, but everything else also. So who are you really? And I’m not asking about your name or your title or what you do on a daily, uh, basis, but who you really are.

What’s your passion? What is your inner belief of what is your quest in life? What makes you happy? Really happy. If you ask yourself that question every day, I’m pretty sure you’ll start appreciating, Uh, appreciate stuff way more. And even though you just had a bad experience. Ask yourself this question, What in this experience would I have paid 10 grand to get?

What kind of information, what kind of skill? What ex what, what part of the experience made me wiser, better, stronger than it’s worth 10 K in a negative experience? Because that will change your perspective on anything and actually start appreciating, uh, appreciating that everything that you experience is good.

Because it’s all resources. Think about that.

Jason, Let out here once again, and as always, thank you so much for sharing this on your social media streams, leaving your reviews online, and once again, a good solid endorsement for. For a friend with an excellent program, check out the hypno academy.com if you’re able to make the event coming up in June.

Highly recommended Martin’s an excellent trainer, outstanding practitioner as well. Check that [email protected] All the links are in the show notes over at Work Smart Hypnosis. Dot com. And while you’re there too, check out hypnotic workers.com. It’s the ability to jump into my full hypnotherapy content in a simple format that everything is downloadable and every bit of it is transcribed.

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