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This is the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast, Session number 227 Patricia Eslava vei on Hypno kinesthetics. Welcome to the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast with Jason Lynette, your professional resource for hypnosis training and outstanding business success. Here’s your host, Jason Lynette. This week’s hypnotic podcast has the power.
To move you. Hey, it’s Jason Lynette welcoming you back once again to the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast, and this week on the program Patricia Eslava Vey talking about hyp Nokin aesthetics, where we’re gonna go through an amazing conversation of a rather. Eyeopening first experience with hypnosis, the experience working in rather difficult, challenging situations, uh, career working and coaching, and then bringing hypnosis into the skillset a little bit later and kind of tapping into that missing link in terms of what’s necessary to help people to motivate the real changes they’re looking to make in their lives.
A fascinating conversation working with clients. Who aren’t just a few pounds overweight, but we’re talking several hundred pounds overweight. And then the discovery of what happens when you take a counselor fitness instructor and a coach and a hypnotist, and mesh it all together into a rather unique approach to the work called hyp nokin Aesthetics, which is.
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That’s a brand new module, The Velvet Rope Strategy inside of hypnotic business. Dot com. And with that, let’s jump directly into this content pack session. Take some notes, put this process in motion. See what I did there. Here we go. This is session number 227. Patricia Eslava vei on Hypno Esthetics. Well, I was in um, college in the seventies and I was in a transpersonal psychology class cause I was a therapy psychology major and it was an unusual class.
We did a lot of cutting edge kinds of things and our teacher. Took us to a hypnotist and it was very interesting because I volunteered and I really was skeptical about it, didn’t believe it, and, and yet I was hypnotized and I had just a, a bizarre experience that I was behind this kind of a mirage kind of a.
A dark place, but very comfortable and safe feeling and mm-hmm. anyway. And so that was my first experience. Later on, after I got certified and, and trained in hypnosis, I realized that that was a pre-birth experience. And so yeah, it was very, very awesome. I have to go back to the transpersonal psychology.
Could you define that for us in terms of what that, what that consisted of? Oh my gosh, I can’t, I can’t even remember it. We kept the entire class right now in Toronto, . So we’re talking about the seventies, right? . And so, um, well, let me phrase it this way. What would you say was different about, than what could be considered, let’s call it traditional.
Technology. Let’s, let’s say the whole thing was different because, Yeah. Um, back in the seventies, I mean, there was traditional college, right? Where you went and sat in chairs and looked at the professor and with hundreds of people and, you know, hoped to learn whatever it was they were teaching, went home, did your homework, et cetera, et cetera.
The program that I was in was an off campus experiential human services program through Billingham. And so it was very different. The whole thing was different. I mean, I’d been to traditional college and sat in those chairs and fallen asleep in those lectures. and, and this program, I mean, we were in it, we were, it was, well, it was experiential.
We practiced, we talked, we did cutting edge kinds of things, nontraditional, um, experiences. We met in churches. We met in community centers, um, and all over the. Um, and we talked about things that, and we experienced things that, that you didn’t in traditional school. Yeah. So just a little bit more of a, let’s call an interactive, more sort of organic way of going into it at times.
That about Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And was that for that hypnosis? Was that, Would you say that was a, was that a show or was that just going to see like a clinician, or how would you describe that? No, you know, I, I wish I could remember more about that. I think we were just exploring different ways to Yeah.
Work with people and hypnosis was just one of those, and maybe the, the teacher knew this person, but we as a class went to his, his studio. Mm-hmm. and I. Nice. And there it was. Yeah, it was. So what was that thought process then to go from, here’s this thing I can’t yet explain to, I gotta learn. Oh, okay. So, so I had that experience and tuck it away and thought nothing of it, just that it was kind of different.
Mm-hmm. and then, well, then I worked . Yeah. Um, after college I worked for the Department of Social and Health Services for 30 years. and used the knowledge that I gained in college to work with abused kids and people in general and courts and all that kind of stuff, and did that for 30 years and always knowing that I wanted to work with people.
That was my goal. And in fact, actually, Going back to the college days in this experiential program, we, we looked at systems. That was a big part of the course, the program too. And I, I remember swearing at that time, I’d never worked for DSHS because it was such a dysfunctional system, , and then life happened.
I was married at the time and had a small child and ended up getting a divorce. And so they offered me a job. DSHS offered me a job and I took it. And so I feel like I kind of, I did sell out. Um, but um, it provided me with, with security and an incredible learning environment. I learned so much about myself.
I learned. So much about human beings and what people do to other people and horrible situations and how to help. But it never really, in terms of, of my purpose in life, it never really scratched the itch that I have about, you know, my purpose. And so I worked at dshs, I did lots of different things. I was a case worker, social worker.
Worked with courts. I was a foster home recruiter. I worked to the Native American, Native American, um, community for eight years. I did interstate compacts, adoptions, terminations, you, you name it, in 30 years. And then the last 16 years I was in. Supervision and management. So I supervise those programs and those people, you know, my staff who did all those things and which again was an incredible learning experience.
Not only about myself and who I was as a leader and manager, but you know how to support, how to truly support other people. Yeah, I’d have to imagine that that must have built some bit of resilience and some bit of, uh, I’d say strength. Where nowadays with a client, I’m sure it’s a very much more relaxed environment.
Yeah. Well, you know what it did for me, Jason? Um, and you know, I just, I’m thankful for it. You know, I had a lot of resentment about working in that dysfunctional system, but I’m now, I’m thankful for it because what it taught me is how to compartmentalize what I did. Yeah. Because I would, I would witness these just horr.
You know, horrible things that would happen to kids. And then I also had a, have a parallel career in the fitness field. And so for many years my fitness club was across the parking lot from my. From dshs, so I would walk across the, the parking lot with scowl on my face, and stress, you know, weighing me down.
People used to tell me, my students used to tell me, Oh my gosh, you always looked like you were mad when you came . Yeah, and I was, and then I’d teach a fitness class and I remember on the way home it was like I was in Nirvana. I was in. You know, the stress was gone, and so I learned how to take what people say to me and not judge it and to, to synthesize it and understand it, and, and use it in a way that helps them, and then let go of it and move on to something that.
Something else. I mean, that’s an amazing lesson in terms of things that we’re able to help our clients achieve. That’s even a, mm-hmm. an incredible lesson because I, I keep hearing this dialogue at times that someone goes, Well, I only can handle but so many clients in a week because they come in with their problems and it just wears you down.
Mm-hmm. . And to have that ability to yes, be in the room, be sincere, show that empathy, that sympathy where necessary, but then not necessarily have to take that. , right? Yeah. Now, I do wanna say there are some situations where that I do, you know, they do affect me, but not Oh yeah, they don’t debilitate me.
Like when I worked at dshs, people would, it was like watching soldiers fall down and die on the battlefield. You know, people, many people you know, in that system had a real hard time dealing with the, you know, the stress of the work and the pressure. And I, I just feel so fortunate that I learned that and I think my fitness training classes really helped cuz I had to let go.
I had to put on a happy face. You, you know this Jason, as a former performer, the show must go on. So yeah, , I’d walk across that parking lot and, and I’d try my hardest to put a smile on and halfway through the class, it was there. , right? Yeah. I don’t like fake it till you make it. I like full, full neurology.
Yeah. So, so then I, so I worked for DSHS for 30 years, had a parallel career in the fitness field and personal training and all that kinda stuff. And then, um, there was. It was, uh, I discovered one day that it was five years before I could retire. I had started working at such a, a good time that I could retire after 25 years and still receive a pension.
And so I thought to myself, Okay, now I can really help people the way I want to, you know, the way, you know, in a very effective way. So I looked around at what was available, and yes, I could have gone back in and to college and gotten a traditional degree and. But I thought, I looked around and I thought, I don’t know.
I don’t wanna be in this system. It’s dysfunctional. And so coaching was, um, popular at that time. And that was in 2000, or? Yeah, 2004. So I hired a coach. I went to coaching school. I got certified as a coach, credentialed as a coach through the International Coach Federation. And became a mentor coach. Yeah.
And I coached while I was still working at dhs, so I used this, these new skills. And mentored other supervisors and staff. And I started teaching workshops and just to see, you know, do I wanna do this? How does this feel to me? Is this something that I wanna add to my, my coach? And I called it my afterlife
And, and so I was exploring and trying to decide what do I wanna do? And, and, um, so I became coach and I, I was doing that for a while and I loved it. And my business started growing outta my. And, um, I was started renting space and met some people in the, in the field and joined Toastmasters and met a, a person who was a hypnotist and we used to ride together and she’d ask me questions about my clients and, and she’d tell me about her hypnosis clients and.
Anyway, she would encourage me to, to check it out. And so I did, I did a weekend workshop with, uh, I think it was Matt James. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. And I thought, Oh my gosh, I’m gonna add this to, yeah, to . Yeah. I’m gonna add this to what I do. And so that led to exploring and looking and searching for really good training and that.
At that time, you know, I didn’t know who was good and who wasn’t, and. and, um, I was still working with my c Well, let, let me ask you, lemme pause you there for a second, cause I’m curious to ask this, that, that experience where there you are, you’re working as a counselor, then came the coaching mm-hmm. and then here came that you, you’d already had the experience with hypnosis, but here came the training of it.
Mm-hmm. , what would you say from your perspective, what was different that the hypnosis added to the coaching that perhaps wasn’t there yet? Well, what was it? Okay, so, so what I found that I did already mm-hmm. , and I don’t know where this came from because I’ve taught workshops since, you know, since 2000.
And I create these workshops. This is before I was a coach and before I was a, a hypnotist. And I create these workshops and I’d have everybody in all my workshops close their eyes and imagine a picture and imagine , and it’s like, oh my gosh, you know? Looking at that now, it’s like I was hypnotizing people forever.
Mm-hmm. , you know, I’ve always done that. And then I, I thought even more as a fitness instructor, I’m hypnotizing. I’ve been hypnotizing people since 19. I don’t know. I tell ’em what to do. I give ’em suggestions, you know, at the end when they’re on the floor with their eyes closed, I take ’em on journeys, you know, so, So the whole process to actually, it’s not something new.
It was putting it more like a puzzle piece. That’s one of the favorite nuances of, of teaching, of training that, or even working with clients, that aspect where they go, Oh, I’ve already been doing this, but now I can do it on purpose. Yeah. Right. And it wasn’t, uh, you know, but a few years ago that I realized, oh my gosh, my entire career has been focused on mind and body.
Yeah. The physical aspect and the mental and. I was just elated to realize that and surprise. So it was more about putting together something that I was already doing. Reformatting it. Yeah. In a way that it would, would, would gracefully and naturally fold into the coaching that I already do with people.
Mm-hmm. . And so, yeah, so I went on and with my, my coach, my goal was to, Uh, I wanted to do training. I wanted to get back to my original goal when I was going to college was to get my PhD and transform the educational system. Yeah. That was my number one goal. And so I thought, Oh, I, okay. I wanna perfect my training ability.
That’s where I wanna focus in my afterlife. And so she, my coach gave me this ticket to go see the Millionaire Mind. with t Har Becker, and I thought, you know, I, I have no interest in being a millionaire. That’s not my focus. I wanna learn how to train people. And she said, Well, just go to it and check it out.
So I went to that training and oh my gosh, I. They held my attention the whole time. I got up consciously and, and went to the back of the room and signed up for their train the trainer training. I see because of the way they kept me engaged mentally and emotionally. . And so that led to learning more about nlp and that led to actually the search for, it wasn’t so much hypnosis that I was after it was nlp.
I wanted to learn those skills, you know, how to captivate an audience and, and so that they could learn what you wanna teach them so that they weren’t falling asleep in, in class like I was in college . And so, So that led to, you know, getting trained and certified in a master practitioner in NLP and in hypnosis.
I, I trained with Bennett Stellar. I don’t know. Oh yeah. Yeah. And the program was, was really interesting cuz I did the ex the experiential, you know, condensed version down in California. And, and this is an interesting story, so I stayed with people that I didn’t know. I was stressed out. I really didn’t know that much about nlp, and I just knew that I wanted to learn it, and I used to get migraines at that time in my life and smells triggered them.
And somebody was wearing perfume. One morning, somebody was wearing perfume to migraine. And I don’t know if you’ve ever. Listeners have ever had a migraine. You know, they don’t go away . Mm-hmm. , you know, just by, you know, during the day they don’t go away very quickly. But I walked into class and all my colleagues there in, in the training, they were like, Oh boy, somebody to, somebody to practice on.
So people were doing all these, it was so fun. They were doing so many, we got a problem. Cleanups. Yes, they did so many techniques on me that, oh my gosh, my headache, I looked for it. They, in my mind I was like, Where is that? Where is it? It’s, no, it can’t be gone, but it was gone. And that made me a real true believer in how amazing the mind is and how, uh, easy you know it is to, to shift things and to change your thinking, change your experience, change your feelings, change your behavior.
So I was sold and so then I came back though I was, didn’t feel like I was really equipped to use all. These things with people. So I repeated the program. They had gave an option at that time to repeat the whole program over like a year, six months, something like that. So yeah, I did and I met a, a group of wonderful women that I’m still in contact with and relearned and anchored even more some of the learnings.
But still, you know, anyone that knows NLP knows that it doesn’t end with workshop. So I have been a lifelong. Steadier and learner and perfector of some of these techniques. Yeah. Which you mentioned something earlier. I wanna go back to that part of the goal being I want to really, you know, grab the crowd’s attention.
I really want to teach in a way that people actually integrate that knowledge. If you had to kind of break down some of the formulas, That you’ve learned over time to really pull that off, what, what do you think needs to be there to actually have that quality experience? Well, it’s interesting to me because it wasn’t, again, again, up until a few years ago that I realized, you know, I was thinking about training, I was thinking about workshops cuz I’ve been presenting at these conferences, hypnosis conferences lately.
and just kind of thinking about my beliefs, about my ability to train and I’m like, Oh wait, wait a minute, wait a minute. Mm-hmm. , you know, tell me, my most confident place, or, or role, I guess is teaching a fitness class. You know, I just gimme a half an hour, tell me what you want. And I am gonna teach an amazing class just because I’ve been doing it since 1980.
And, and that was the whole journey in itself. I learned how to, you know, capture people’s attention and not necessarily by talking to ’em. Constantly, you know, like you do in a, in a workshop, but through my gestures, through my expressions, and I’m so comfortable in that and I thought to myself, Why don’t I just map across this training, talking with people?
Of course I can use these same, the same ability, you know, in my workshops. And so, For me, if I were to look at it in terms of standing in front of people and teaching in a fitness class, I would say, you know, you first have to a course. I mean, I, I’ve got books and books on presenting lots of books on how to be a good presenter and I’ve taken lots of courses on that.
But you know, Capturing their attention. You know, letting people know that you really care about ’em is first off. Mm-hmm. , you know, and I’ll just walk through how I teach class. You know, maybe cutting the ice by saying something fun or asking ’em how they’re doing, how they’re feeling, you know, getting them into inside and then, you know, Telling them that you, you know what you’re gonna do, We’re gonna have an amazing class.
You’re gonna walk away with this. You’re gonna feel that and imagine how you’re gonna use that. You know? So for me, it’s getting people in, build the anticipation of what they’re going to get and how it’s gonna help them. And then just give them, you know, an incredible experience so that they can walk away feeling, you know, transformed so they can feel empowered or whatever it is they do.
Or they want to feel. And then for me it’s like, how are you gonna use this? You know? Yeah. How are you gonna use this? I teach a hypnosis weight loss class monthly here. And, uh, on my evaluation sheet, I always ask people, you know, I’m requesting that you feel is. This evaluation sheet out. And of course it asks stuff, Do you want any more services?
Blah, blah, blah. How did you do? But there’s a question in there that I always point to them and say, You know, even if you don’t answer the other questions, answer this one, This question is, what did you learn? And how are you going to use it? Cuz what that does is it takes Oh, nice. It takes the learning that you, you, your experience, and it puts it into your future.
So, yeah, it’s, it’s creating that experience that’s meaningful and that, you know, captures people’s attention. And, and it’s not so much to point the finger at me, but it’s to, to give them something. That they want to give them an extreme. I mean, that highlights, that highlights something beautiful, even in the concept of the client testimonial.
And you know, I kind of had a point in time where I kind of stopped taking them. I stopped requesting them from a slightly greedy way of going. I’ve got about 150, 200 of them right now at a binder. That’s enough. and I was noticing that I was still getting good results with clients. And yet the funny thing was the referral business started to slip away.
And I will call up class clients, I’ll shoot out emails on a schedule at times to check in and make sure that you know the phrases. Always wanna see how well you’re doing and see what you’re up to. Mm-hmm. , you know, not with the phrasing of, Hey, is this still working? ? Yeah. But, but something was happening that the referral business was down and.
the sort of realization of having to give, having to give a review for a company that I had to make use of when something was up with my car. All of a sudden now I’m realizing, hey, if I need a body shop, I know where to send people. Mm-hmm. , And I’m realizing it’s because they had me give the testimonial and to recognize that that.
That story that I told wasn’t just benefiting them in their marketing, but it was also benefiting me cuz it was allowing me to actually pace that story out and go, here’s where I was before. Here’s how I’ve done so well. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . So similar to that, you know, in the, in the application of doing that with, it’s a group weight loss workshop, you said?
Yes. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. But I love that question of what are you gonna do with this? Mm-hmm. , that’s, that’s, Right. Yeah. Yeah. I’ve got like thousands of those evaluation forms all over in my office that I need to throw away. But, but like you, I’ve gotten just a million testimonies and it, and it’s not, and it’s not so much, I don’t wanna point at the finger about me.
I, I really, my, my purpose is to have people walk away with something valuable. Yeah. Something that, that helps them in. So you mentioned weight loss. What tends to be the, the focus of what you’re seeing mostly these days? Well, what am I seeing? Mostly, I’m seeing some pretty o overweight people lately and people who, several different categories.
Actually. There are younger people in their thirties and forties with young kids where the woman is, uh, shifted or focused away from. Herself and her own self care and into the family and the kids and not taking care of themselves. And of course, beneath that, I mean, and part of that’s just distraction.
It’s like, Oh my gosh, I’ve got these kids, I’ve gotta mm-hmm. , you know, so much I’m in, in that role. And so nothing else matters. But that I do this role really well. And in the meantime, they let themselves and their own goals and their own health, you know, fall by the wayside. And, you know, low and behold they’ve, you know, maybe gained 300, 400 pounds total.
Oh wow. And yeah, they’re at risk. Of all kinds of health problems. And so I’ve seen some people like that lately and doing some good stuff with them. Yeah. And I, I’m sure, I’m sure the process is always client centered and customized to the individual, but mm-hmm. when it, when it’s, And I’ve only seen a few people who fit that kind of category.
I mean, a lot of people are coming in where they’ve been putting that self care towards everyone else. Mm-hmm. . But now we’re talking about a very clear extreme. Where do you, where does that usually begin for? Well, for me, I always find out you know who that person is for, for me, cuz I’m, I’m pretty. . Let’s see.
It’s, it’s hard because I don’t know how other people work, so I’m just gonna speak from my experience. . So for me, I am a, I’m a very kinesthetic person, for example, and I was trained in my social work days to take notes. So I, I interview people and I find out everything about ’em. I have a pretty extensive intake form where they can check objectives and, and so then in.
To interview with them. I go through those objectives, you know, what do you wanna work on? What, what does that look like? If they say habits, I’ll say, Tell me about that. You know, what does that, how does that look? How does that feel? What’s going on with that? And then, and so I hear, and I, I hear what’s going on and I get to understand who they are.
And I say, What do you wanna see? Instead, and so there’s a, a place that I note there’s, there’s some work and so we go through, so I can, I get a, a holistic picture of who they are because I don’t just work on weight. You know, when I tell people and, and it is that weight is just a symptom of something that’s not working in your life.
I don’t actually tell ’em that it’s not working in your life, but you know, I let people know that I think it is. And so where. Where are some places in your life that need some loving and care that are going to impact these habits, you know, that you are struggling to, to adhere to? So I do a lot about who are you and.
What do you want? And let’s build, you know, your self-esteem back. Let’s bring back the importance of who you are. And it’s like that whole feeling of where was I before these kids, before I got distracted? With these other things. And many of the people I work with have, you know, they used to work out and eat healthy and they have those goals for themselves and they have an experience of having been successful with that at some point in their life.
So I used that prior experience as a yes, you know, your body already knows how to do this. And, you know, and I also give them the, my lectured about the conscious and unconscious mind and, and how. That unconscious part of you is struggling to keep you alive and it wants you to be healthy already, and, and so we’re just gonna help it along by giving it, you know, some retraining.
We’ll get it like on track because sometimes our unconscious mind is, it responds to. Programming, the things we say and what we expose ourselves to. It’s like a train track, getting off track. And so we’re just gonna put that train right back on the track and we’re gonna just build that, that those tracks so that train can’t get off track again.
So, you know, I use a lot of metaphors and. You know, and, and then I, you know, I hold people accountable, my coaching stuff, and you know, I ask them what they want me to hold them accountable for. I ask them for commitments. I have handed out lots of forms before, lots of charts and graphs for people to use, you know, if they want to.
So, so that’s kind of what I do and I, you know, there’s another population that I see too often. Well, before you move to the next population mm-hmm. , Let’s talk about that accountability factor. So what, what would be some of those things that they would say they want to have you help them stay accountable for?
I’m thinking about example of the client racing. Well, yeah, yeah. I’m thinking about something. And here’s the thing. Here’s the thing. Here’s the thing, Jason. Here’s the thing about my days at at dshs. Now, you know, you might come in to see me. I might spend two solid hours with you, and I know everything about you, Your whole history, everything.
And what’s. You’re struggling with and stuff and where we’re going and I might just do a whole bunch of stuff with you and I know you, and you walk out and you feel wonderful and then, you know, the next day or the next day, I might see you in in, I might see you somewhere and I might not even remember anything about what we did.
Because I’m so in the moment that I don’t hold that stuff. So for me right now to think, I had a client last night who, and I asked her the same question, What do you want me to hold accountable for? And she said, You know, for, for meditating, for walking every day, for making a smoothie every morning for going to bed at 10, between 10 and 11 each night.
And I think there was something else. So these are things that, you know, I’m, I’m a personal trainer too. I’m a trained personal trainer and, and what a metaphor I use for people is, you know, in personal training we tell you we’re the expert. We tell you what to do cuz we know how to get you to lose weight.
You know, do these exercises, do this, do that. But in coaching you don’t, you know that that plan needs to come from the person, not. and, and I just totally respect that so much. Mm-hmm. , you know, now if somebody asks me any suggestions, of course I’ll share that. But my experience is that if that plan comes from them and that, uh, um, they’re gonna adhere to it more than if it comes from me.
And I don’t wanna be another one of those people, like their doctors who says, You know, you, you’re gonna get diabetes if you don’t do this or do this. Mm-hmm. . So that’s not who I wanna be. So let’s look at that motivation factor. Let’s say the example of, I wanna walk on a regular basis. That’s now been, you know, whatever time has passed and they’re back in front of you again, and things are going well.
Mm-hmm. yet that walking is just not there yet. How? How do you tend to address that? Well, it’s back up before, you know, before on the last visit, I would say, Okay, walking. What does that look? I know where, When would you do it? You know, what’s the best time? And looking at your schedule, looking at your life, where’s the best time that you would add that walk, You know?
And how many days, what day is there a day? Is there a time? All right. Okay. So I want you to imagine that, you know, so they give me the information and I just say, Close your eyes, imagine yourself doing that. Or I, Ill end the session with hypnosis and have them walk through future pace, you know, all the things that they’ve said they’re gonna do.
So if they come back to me the next time and they haven’t walked, I’ll say so. I’ll say, So what’s going on? What happened? And you know, there’s usually an excuse I’ve had to, I have to tell you, uh, or we reset. Well, that’s not the best time. Okay. When would it, So we just keep refining it so that it works.
Yes. Um, and I have to say that, you know, I currently have a, a person that’s re. Very, very overweight. Who now through that process, has a habit that she can’t live without now walking up and down big hills. So, but I do have to say that there are some people, and, and the only people I’ve done this with and is weight loss situations where I’ve said, you know, You said, we, you know, we’ve been working on this for three, four times and I don’t wanna keep taking your money and I don’t know what’s going on, but, you know, I don’t know that this is working and maybe, you know, maybe you need to work with somebody else.
You know, maybe this is just not working. And, and a lot of times they’ll say, No, no, no. I want this to, mm-hmm. , okay, I’ll do this. And so sometimes you have to have the reality check. It’s like, okay, you know, I. I want you to be successful. And this doesn’t make me feel good like I’m doing my job of if you’re not achieving your goals.
And so I don’t want to feel those feelings myself. And I know you don’t wanna keep paying me money to not be achieving your goals. So maybe we need to take a break or, you know, not do, Maybe this is not the thing for. Which is, you know, not necessarily I’m sure to be what’s called in the business world, the takeaway sale, but it’s kind of that, let’s make this real moment.
Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. of, you know, is this just not the right time to do this? Here’s what we’ve worked on so far. I, I’ll share a quick insight that I have a story of working with this woman many years ago, that early osteoporosis diagnosis. She’s being recommended that she go out and exercise in some way and change her eating behaviors.
Well, the calcium supplement, the higher calcium foods, no problem there. And she had kind of talked to the doctor and the situation was, You know, if you swim, you know, double hip replacement, double knee replacement over the years mm-hmm. , you don’t have to get in the pool and swim laps, just, you know, get in the water and wade and that’s gonna be enough to kind of build back up some of the muscular strength.
And she’s now seeing me specifically for the, for the swimming. And it became a bit of a funny process because it’s now our third meeting and she hasn’t gone swimming. Hmm, and I’m realizing that there’s one clear part that I missed and I took some blame for it to go, Where are you going to go swimming?
And she goes, Oh, I have no idea where I’d even go swim. I’m like, Okay, I forgot something. , she had shown up early in. Long story short, she ended up from my office computer signing up for the local Y M C A printing out her day pass. and kinda like your story, she’s been now religiously going and swimming four or five times a week for going on about six years now.
Mm-hmm. , that’s awesome. To, to really ask those questions. When are you gonna do that, you know, chunk down into those specifics. Exactly. Exactly. And also though, here’s another part for people that are listening too, and maybe new people in the field is, you know, some of these people, men and women, not just women who, you know, They decide on, Oh, I can swim.
I could do that. I know I could do that. I’ve had some people over the years who’ve like not done it. They’ve not gone for, even though they’ve found a place and you know, it’s convenient and so on and so forth, and, and through questioning what we, what was discovered was they just feel awful in a bathing suit.
They feel very uncomfortable, don’t want other people to see. In a bathing suit, and so we’re sometimes work needs to be done around that, which I love that, you know, you’re bringing up how holistic the process becomes, that it’s not just an eat this, don’t eat that. It’s really the everything in terms of the identity, the confidence, the aspects surround it, the family dynamics I’ve seen.
Things you’ve put out before with the, with the terminology of hypno, kin, aesthetics. Could you mm-hmm. , could you define that and explain what that is? Yes. Well, I’m excited about that because, Oh, let’s see, how did this come about? Because I, I thought, I thought for a while about, you know, you know, I see everybody around me in the field and I just see all these wonderful idea.
And these new things that people are coming up with and how fantastic they are and how helpful they are. And, and I looked inward and I thought to myself, you know, what, what is it that I have? What is it that I could contribute? You know, who am I and, and what are my experiences that could translate into something that could be really, really helpful to other people and, and.
and I thought long hard about, you know, okay, well par, these parallel careers movement, you know, my passion for movement and mind body stuff. And so then I started looking at my NLP patterns and I remembered that there was some pattern in NLP where, you know, we moved and I always loved anything in NLP that involved physical movement.
And so I looked up some patterns in that and I. Put my thinking cap on, put my, you know, my movement cap on. And I started, um, started creating and going, Oh my gosh, oh my gosh. And, and trying things out myself and experimenting and, and, and then I tried it out in workshops and, and, Actually I traded up with my weight loss people, some techniques with my weight loss people, with my clients and with my regular exercise people.
And just got, you know, wonderful feedback and so, and then a friend of mine and said, You know, why don’t you. You know, write a book on that . So I, Okay. And so when I create a presentation, and so I thought, okay, this was last year for hypno thoughts, 2018, I put together a workshop and a, and a technique and a.
Uh, philosophy and research and, and I love that stuff. You know, all the, the research that supports what I’m doing. And, and so I taught the workshop at Hypno Thoughts 2018, and oh my gosh, I almost started crying in it because people were moving and they were shifting and changing and just got some wonderful responses and so, I started writing a book and did a lot of research, you know, things that interest me, things I’m passionate about, the mind and body that support this work.
And so hypno kinesthetics is really all about using, in nlp we typically, and in coaching and counseling and everything, we use physiology in kid, in cognitive. So we don’t actually use physical movement except for in like dance therapy and movement therapies. We get people to imagine doing things and, and what I’ve created is a system where, Not only do you find the issue inside your mind, but you let it express itself in a movement or gesture some sort.
And that leads to, you know, you can string those movements long into anything going on to all kinds of NLP processes where you start with a problem and you find. Where the problem started, or you start with a current situation and where the problem started and you can go anywhere. You know, what do you want instead?
And how would that feel and express that? And so it gets people in their body. And what we know to be true is that the body has information that the mind doesn. You know, that may not have made it to the mind yet. And in fact, in some of my research, you know, in, in nlp, second generation nlp, the subconscious mind is the body.
And so, you know, the body holds memories of everything that’s ever happened to us. We know that. I mean, we, we think about that in hypnosis. We, we say that, but to actually feel that memory. You know, of maybe the first day of kindergarten or some traumatic thing or some scary thing or some even wonderful thing.
To know where that lives in your body and to be able to shift it and transform it physically, not just with your mind, but physically, you know, to change it and to use it in a way to help yourself heal is, is just amazing. Yeah. Is there an example of one of those techniques to give us a illustration of that?
I’m just got so many techniques in my mind right now and com, my compartmentalizing ability. Here’s an example in my book, I, I have people go inside and find, you know, find a, find a happy experience. You know, something we’re used to in the field we’re used to doing, we’re used to, used to having people do.
So, find that experience, you know, where does that live? And you know, how does it look? How does it feel? You know, what are any sites or sounds or tastes that are associated with it, you know? And if that, That feeling that that happy time experience, that memory where it lives there in your body, where to express itself in a movement or gesture of some sort, and by movement or gesture that couldn’t be, you know, a lifting of the finger.
It could be, you know, a frown on your face. It could be a lifted eyebrow, it could be anything. It’s not necessarily an exercise class. Um, so if that were to manifest in a movement, or a gesture of some sort, what would that be? And so then, you know, I have people do that and we repeat it so the mind knows it.
So you, it’s in your cells, it’s in your body. That’s a part of you. Now it becomes new cellular memory. And then, you know, you might think about in a, you know, a situation where you want to feel that and you might just express that feeling, express that movement or gesture. Or Yeah. So kind of drawing out in some way the submodalities by way of movement and then absolutely.
Kind of organically shifting from there. Yes. You use movement to express it rather than close your eyes and visualize and solve your problem in your mind, it solved your problem in your body and your and through movement and it just, Gets to it just provides a whole other set of information. I know what I, I’m thrilled about is that in every workshop, uh, people who have been generous in giving me video testimonies, so on YouTube, I have quite a few testimonies of experiences from people who’ve participated in the.
So yeah, it’s, I’m very excited about it. Yeah. There there’s two beautiful correlations to this. One is, of course, to, to look at the work of Virginia Satir, of having someone move to a different position and that began to shift some of the situation, having a couple in a conversation and then having them move to different positions and suddenly, The perspectives were different.
That, and, and for what it’s worth over the years, we, we, as the practitioners know those moments where, and this is something you refine more over time, that we’re in session with somebody and we can tell they’re just kind of observing the process rather than in the process. Absolutely. And, and for years, my strategy has just been to move them.
Good. Go ahead and stand up. Or I’d sit the chair up. Right. Or I’d switch the position or mm-hmm. in my office. We just move to another room and. Almost kind of in the same way, the stage hypnotist would sometimes move people around the different seats in terms of building compliance. Mm-hmm. . But to look at that and actually do so as a specific technique.
Mm-hmm. beyond just the pattern interrupt. And I can think of clients over the years that here was. The massage therapist that I was working with, clearly extremely kinesthetic that was having test anxiety and an extremely, very visual, sitting at a computer typing buttons on a screen exam. Mm-hmm. , And it wasn’t until we brought out the kinesthetics that it actually had.
Value and getting into that and be able to, you know, pull that out and, uh, like your story from earlier, to be able to map that across, to bring that same skill into another part of life. That’s great. Mm-hmm. . Well, and here’s the thing about hypno kins, it’s not, I’m not telling them how to move. I’m saying let your body move.
To express that and so, Okay. If that, that that problem, you know, that stress wherever, you know, that stress movement or gesture is if that were to be gone, how would that be? You know, if, if. If that were gone, how would you feel and what’s a movement that would express that? And so, so it’s, it’s along the coaching, you know, there’s a huge coaching component to it.
To use these techniques is to, you know, make sure languaging is clean and clear, and it’s not directive, but to help people discover that information within themselves. And here’s my plan for the book. I’ve written it for practitioners, for counselors, therapists for teachers, for coaches. And, uh, anyone really who works with people, because I’ve, I’ve worked with kids in, in Head Start and throughout my career I’ve worked with little kids a lot.
Um, I’ve worked in the sporting world a lot. I’ve worked in the fitness field. I’ve worked in hypnosis and coaching and counseling, and, and I currently have clients who are in the medical profession and they, for example, I have one person who she. Is she’s the last ditch effort for these people who are got diabetes and she has to get them to change.
Mm-hmm. and she’s, she’s a PhD nurse. Right. And so without any coaching background, you know, she could flip open one of my, one of my techniques and say, Okay, close your eyes and imagine this. Now stand up and let that express itself. I know she, So that’s my purpose. So, so the plan is to market this, to make this a manual that people, a lot of people can use in, in lots of different ways.
Awesome. So how can people find out more? Well, my book’s out . We are making use of, uh, time travel as we’re recording, or we time traveling coming out in August. So in the future go ahead and future pace yourself. Yes. On future pace. Well, my book is, uh, is on Amazon and I’m a coauthor in a couple other books.
I have some eBooks there as well, so they can find it. The title of it is Healing with Hypno. Extraordinary mind body techniques for transformation, and that’s by me, Patricia Eslava vei. My website is Integrity Coaching and Training. Dot com. Nice. And there’s lots of information there, so yeah. And we’ll link everything over in the show [email protected] over to the book and the various websites and upcoming, uh, presentations as well.
Before we wrap it up, any final words, any recommendations for the audience out there? You know, keep learning. That’s what I would say, you know, if you’re a new practitioner, can, you know, absorb it all. Learn and learn and learn and tell you get to that point and you will get to that point where it’s like, okay, I know, I feel like I know enough right now that I don’t need to, I don’t have that need to go sign up for this or that, but I can now be a contributor.
And develop my own thing. So continue to learn and saturate yourself with all the wonderful practitioners that are available, the wonderful trainings and learn and go help. Lots of people
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