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This is the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast. Session number 319. Sean Michael Andrews on Evolving Hypnosis. Welcome to the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast with Jason Lynette, your professional resource for hypnosis training and outstanding business success. Here’s your host, Jason Lynette. For those of you that are curious to know, this week’s guest, Sean Michael Andrews is officially the world.
Fastest hypnotist. That is, as long as you set the criteria as being the fastest at getting the website world’s fastest. hypnotist.com I always have to bring that up whenever he’s on. And Sean’s here, I believe now for the fourth time. In this podcast series, which if we were wind all the way back to June of 2014, the program launched with three episodes on the first day.
Episode number one was myself. I was teaching my all positive pre-talk. Episode number two was, Michael Elner. Episode number three was Sean, Michael Andrew. Now for those that are curious of the backstory, part of what I began my career was doing was stage hypnosis. I’d gone off and done some trainings.
I’d gone off and read books and uh, watched different videos online and was already kind of working, let’s say, part-time as a stage hypnotist, though I was recognizing there was a bit of a dis. In the work that I was doing, and again, this is now a 13, 14 year old story at this point. And, and so I was living in downtown Baltimore and I was doing a search online to try to find a little bit more, let’s say, robust of training.
And sure enough, a website popped up with a training down in Glen Bernie, Maryland at a Hampton end. We stay classy here. And that was the same week that I was not in rehearsal or production. And by luck, that was an event with Sean Michael. How cool is that? So rewinding the story back, this is where, you know, beginning at first as a student, then eventually running some classes together, both online and then in person.
Now an online program that we offer called Master Hypnotist course, you can check that [email protected]. I’ll, I’ll tell you that one of my. Favorite things about chatting with Sean about, and this is part of what this week’s episode is all about, is this sort of evolving nature in terms of how we look at the work that we do.
So many years ago, I would’ve been on the same side that no, no, no, we don’t do the online hypnosis. There’s some challenges. There’s some, some potential dangers. No, And nowadays, well, that’s kind of one of our main options at this point. So you’re gonna hear a conversation here around adapting a lot of the techniques that we use.
In terms of helping our clients and how to make those things effective and even efficient and just well work in terms of how we work with our clients. We’re gonna talk about sort of using a specific timeframe that may pose some challenges. As you know, here we are more than a year into a global pandemic and looking for some of the opportunities.
That may be there to kind of revisit the work that we do to approach things from a slightly different angle and really just over time become a whole lot more flexible inside of the work that we do. Now, I will say, just as a bit of a cliff hanger, before you listen to this conversation, if you’ve been wanting to hear a highly effective hypnotic pre-talk in Russian, This might be the best uh, place you can go for that right now, , because inside of this you’ll hear sort of a modern, again, the theme here, evolution of taking an opportunity to learn something from really to relearn, I would say, based on the story he shares and possibly open up a whole other set of clientele.
So really what you’re gonna hear inside of this conversation is this mindset of that transition from the in person to the online. What are the benefits? What are the strengths? How do we make some of the modifications? And even so we as business owners, we as practitioners, how do we start to change up the approach in terms of what we do well over time?
Briefly, I do have to give a quick plug here cuz uh, Sean does have a phenomenal training on the Dave Elman induction, which some of you may know the story. When I was at a conference and it was actually Cheryl, Who was reselling the DVD set. And I love Cheryl and she was selling me hard on buying this two DVD set and she’s going, Jason, it’s really good.
You should get it. And I’m just smiling so big and I’m going, Have you watched it Cheryl? And she’s there going, Yeah, I’ve watched it several times. Sean, Michael Lands is an amazing trainer and the way that he teaches Larry’s father’s techniques, That’s amazing. And I’m just smiling. Have you watched it?
And she catches that I’m onto something to which then I go, Cheryl, I was the demo subject in that video. The hair was much thicker back then. We’ll leave it at that. So check out the programs and offerings that he has over at works at uh, world’s fastest hypnotist.com. A lot of great content over there.
We’ll also link over in the show [email protected] to some of the books that he has referenced here in terms of some of the projects and plus links to explore. And I’ll do this too. I’m gonna go. And I actually reference a number of Sean’s YouTube videos in the trainings that I provide. Will embed those in the show notes [email protected] just to see an efficient take on how to do the work.
Just a straightforward approach to just, I, I refer to it just a pure model of down to the basics, down to. You know, even there’s still complexity in there, of course, but the specificity in the work that he does, that’s something that I really appreciate and glad to call him a friend and have him back on the program once more while you’re there to check out hypnotic business systems.com, that’s the all access pass to my Hypnosis business training library.
If you want to see more clients, If you want to appropriately and ethically raise your rates if you want to expand your services beyond the dollars for hours and go into a passive income model to change up the dynamic of what you do. This is what I teach inside of hypnotic business systems.com. Now give you a free preview though by going to jason webinar.com.
That’s a free on-demand exclusive workshop called Six Steps to a Six Figure Hypnosis Income. You can check that out right now. At jason webinar.com, that just redirects over to where you ought to be . And with that, let’s jump directly in with this great episode. Here we go. Episode number 319. Sean Michael Andrews on Evolving Hypnosis.
So I’m here with Sean Michael Andrews, and I’ll tell you, Sean, it’s good to have you back on. I think you’ve been on several times now at this point, but I did want to kick off with the question of how do you modify an instant induction to work? Okay. You want the short answer or the long answer? I think we’re gonna get.
Yes. Well, they are both the same. Okay. You can’t, you can’t , you cannot modify an instant induction so that you can perform it virtually. It cannot be done. There has to be a physical element to it, and it can’t be done virtually. So the only thing. You can do rapid inductions. For instance, an Elman induction can certainly be modified so that it can be used over Zoom or Skype or whatever your virtual hypnosis of choice, uh, app is.
But an instant induction will not work with the possible, well, not possible with the one exception, and it is a rein. You know, and you give them the trigger. When I point you and say, Sleep, when I snap my fingers and say sleep. Yeah, I was about to say, it’s where it, it’d be easy to say, Can we do it as a reinduction?
But then that kind of breaks the category of really, truly being an instant induction. Exactly. So we can model the techniques of the instant induction, but then it still becomes. Reduction at that point. Exactly. Right. So, so yeah, so I’m, uh, my hands are tied. Yeah. . Yeah. So then how have you modified things?
What changes have you done to your, you know, hypnosis business in a response to everything now going online? . Hmm. Well, I mean, it, it has, it has changed things for sure. Fortunately, I mean, Stephanie and I are very fortunate and it’s, it’s not like we needed to do classes and things like that in order to eat
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Um, I know some people have been really terribly affected by this, and I, it’s, It’s terrible. I feel very, very sorry for them, but fortunately for us, we have able been able to weather this, so, but certainly I have not been teaching any live classes. I have been doing mentorships online. I can do that. What else have I been doing?
I’ve, I’ve been, I’ve been taking, actually, I’ve been taking the opportunity to kind of do a semi sabbatical. Mm-hmm. , uh, Covid 19 has given me the opportunity to do some things that I put off for a long time. For instance, I had been wanting to write, A, a basic hypnosis book. I mean, the other, the other books were pretty much for people who were experienced hypnotists, both the, the Who Me book about choosing volunteers and the Street hypnosis book.
They were for people who really already knew how to hypnotize. But I wanted to, I wanted to write a book for beginners. And so has given me the opportunity to do that and I’ve been working on it. And we’ll probably publish in, uh, in the summer. That’s, that’s outstanding. I, I chair, there’s a dialogue that I got into with several clients and it’s one that kind of hit home because it was a conversation that, just to keep it simple here, a few family members I think also needed to hear that, you know, suddenly things did slow down.
Things did begin to change, especially for folks who had a business that was fully dependent upon being in person and even so with groups, which that’s not really happening right now. Mm-hmm. . But recognizing that here were other things that head. Been meaning the doing here are other projects they’d been looking to do.
You know, And it’s not to say that it’s a flaw to come out of all of this without the next book written without the new product being launched. Mm-hmm. But to kind of go, Well, here’s an opportunity and this is a time that I can do it, and to, you know, to come around to the story that I hinted at family members needing to hear the phrasing that, no, it’s not that covid shut down your business, it’s that you’re in your early eighties and you’ve been preparing most of your life to step away,
And it’s a good time to be around your family and take things down a couple of notches. And they went, Oh, these were people who didn’t want to have, uh, for sale sign in front of their house, which then went, Yep, we’re closing , you’re, you’re such a good reframer there, Jason . It’s, um, it’s this skill that, it’s a brand new thing at Hypno.
I don’t we, Where’d you learn that? I think we’ve told the story. You and I taught a class together back in March, 2017. And there’s a moment where I referenced something and you went, That’s really cool. And I go, I learned it from you. And then you responded. I’ve never seen that before. , which the appropriate responses, and that was adjacent Leded.
Original . I remember that. I do remember that situation. That was pretty good. So then in terms of, you know, let, let, I wanna come back around to the idea of mentorship in terms of, you know, learning directly at times and getting that hands on feedback or virtual hands on feedback. . But, but let’s talk about online hypnosis.
Have your, cuz this is one that I would say many people were kind of anti the idea number of years ago. And then suddenly, well if you wanna be helping people, here’s your. So any shifts in terms of the thinking on that? Uh, that’s, that pretty much exactly describes my shift in thinking. I mean, you know, I’ve been very much anti antiviral hypnosis.
It’s, it’s not something that I really wanted to get involved in. I, I dipped my toe in it many years ago when Skype was still quite new. What happened was, I was doing an age regression with a. And right in the middle of an A reaction, we lost a signal just went poop. That, that awful sound that Skype makes when it loses the connection.
And so I had a client a thousand miles away in the middle of an A reaction, and we were no longer connected. Now, fortunately, I had thought ahead and had given the client the instruction. Should we lose our connection, you will open your eyes, pop out of trance, and immediately reestablish the connection.
So she did and we continued our session. However, that was, that was pretty scary for me. And after that, I did not do another virtual session for years. Yeah. Just because I did not want to take that kind of a chance. Now Covid changed. For all of us. If you’re going to help people, there’s only you. Your opportunities, your, your options are severely limited.
Right now, I have still done some sessions in my office, but right now, when you’re doing live in person sessions, you have to have your masks on. And keep your distance from your client. And that presents some challenges also. It’s, it’s, it’s funny, the sessions that I’ve done in my office with a client in a mask were, have been, it, it’s almost like we’re virtual because there are so many clues.
That I didn’t really think about that. You look for that, you can’t see when that person is wearing a mask. You know, people, their, their expression, their face is, it’s not all in their eyes, you know, It’s, it’s what they do with their lips, how they, you know, and you can’t see that when that person is wearing a mask and it’s just, It’s just difficult.
And so, I mean, I think, I think that in person using protective masks, I think in person is, is a little bit better than virtual, but not a whole bunch. So I share the, the change that I was doing, which again, the irony of this is that we’re recording in February. While I’m still down in Virginia, this is launching in March, and by the time we’re actually releasing in March, I’ll be living not too far from where you are down in Florida.
That’s right. . Yes. But ever since, I say ever since i’d, which the setup of how I’ve been doing it here, which the majority had moved online and in fact I was selling them on every reason why. This is why it’s a much better situation. I still had a few who were kind of pressing to go, I want to do it in person.
Right? Which I go, Well, here’s how we do it. And it’s going back to, I think either March or April of like 27, no, 2018 I think it was, that I had put this idea down for so many years. And then I got to backtrack because then I came, became one of those people putting headphones on the client and wearing the headphones set with the, uh, boom microphone attached to mine.
Uhhuh, which, here’s the catch in the office that, you know, now someone else is renting. I had 20 feet of sound cable . So the session began, and this is, you know, we, we find little skills, you know, the early hypnotist, if they were using a script or an outline. Becomes an expert at turning pages so they don’t make noise.
I became the expert at slowly sliding my office chair back 15 feet, , cuz I had the, But then as the session then prog, uh, was wrapping up slowly rolling my chair closer. So it wasn’t weird when suddenly the eyes open. I could see them quite well, thanks to the doctors who shot some lasers in my eyeballs eight years ago.
No, but you’re right. We, we find, well, I phrased it this way. There’s benefits and there setbacks of both. Something that I found was that because it was online and now it was a much smaller window, they weren’t, you know, in the same space with me. I was having to watch more intently. Yeah. And then as someone came in, there was much more, let’s say, specificity inside of the process.
Hmm. Yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s funny. I mean, so I guess we were both, we both came from the same place in that not, I mean, still I believe it is, it is not optimal to do virtual sessions. Uh, I mean, it does have some advantages. Like for instance, you can take on clients that are thousands of miles away. Mm-hmm.
that’s pretty cool. It’s an I’m, I turned away. So many clients over the years who said, I really wanna work with you. Uh, can we do it virtually? And I was so against it. I just, I just, I would, I got very good at, they’d say. I’d say, Well, where are you? And let me see if there’s somebody in your area that. I trust.
I, I think, I think there were some, I think there were some in your area that, that you wound up with. Yeah. But anyway, so, so, yeah, I mean, that was because I just did not feel comfortable doing these virtual sessions. But you know, as you said in the beginning, if it comes down to the choice between helping the person or not helping the person, you know, you’re gonna go to the technology and you’re gonna help the person.
So, Well, I swear at one point, You know, there’s often this game, sometimes, and I know we had, that’s an unfair correlation, so I won’t go there. No, I was gonna say that sometimes we, no, sometimes we find the neuroscience research to back up what we had already been doing, Uhhuh , which let’s keep that up because that’s going well for us.
Yeah, no, but it’s where as I started to track, you know, where early on because of like you. Having a book and then doing this podcast now for, uh, nearly seven or eight years at this point, a couple of hundred episodes. Uhhuh, , I, I’ve talked about this before on here. The number of clients I often get from this even surprises me.
Now. The conversation always goes the same way. Hey, I listened. I’m not the audience, am I ? It’s like, well, it’s very much meant for people who are already doing hypnosis. Kind of like the story you said about the Why me book, you know? So meanwhile, here’s the other newer program, which is more for a general audience, but it, it’s.
Where I kind of came around to the framing, which yes, it is framing that, you know, once the process begins, you close your eyes. So at that point, it’s very likely the same process. Thank you Howard Cooper, for this nugget. The change occurs in your head, not in the room. Mm-hmm. . So wherever you’ve got your head, we can do the work.
But the third point was where my opinion on this change, and that’s why about this time last year, we came out with two episodes a week all around this theme that I could do the work in the environ. Where you wanted to notice the change. Now, the, the, the influence part of me looks at that and goes, That becomes true because I’ve now suggested it
But then again, it becomes true because consistently we found that to, to work. And the correlation I also connect was, uh, good mutual friend of ours back in the early two thousands was the guy going, Don’t do online videos. People watch videos to deselect you. Now his business is entirely online Video.
But we’ll let him tell that story sometime on Hear Himself. So then in terms of, you know, looking at some of the consulting, which I, I do that too. Mm-hmm. and I share, it gives us an interesting insight as to where people’s specific challenges are, people’s specific pain points. Are in terms of what they’re trying to get up and running, what are, what are some of those things you’ve been helping with in that respect?
Actually, it’s, it’s funny, it’s, a lot of it is tricks of the trade. Like for instance, most of the people, or many of the people who who come to me for mentoring are interested in doing street hypnosis. Mm-hmm. . Since that’s what people most people know me for. So, you know, most people don’t, but you know that I’m actually kind of shy and, and I don’t, I’m not as, I’m not easily outgoing.
And so I’ve developed tricks over the years to. Make street hypnosis work, make demonstration, hypnosis work, uh, develop tricks to bring in the audience, to maintain the audience, to find the most hypnotizable people, which is super, super important. And you know, we’re not gonna let you get away with just referencing that
I’ll go into that a little bit. Yeah. But, but, but, but no, so, so these are, these are tricks that I’ve learned just over thousands of inductions, and those are the things that. Most people don’t know. You know, I don’t keep secrets. So one of ’em is, So when we’re, when we’re talking about finding the most hypnotizable people, I mean there are some, there are some very, very easy ones.
Like for instance, has the person been hypnotized before? , you know, if, if, if the person tells you they’ve been hypnotized before, you’re, you’re pretty much home free. You know, you’re not gonna have any, any issues with that person. You know, quick selection. You’ve got two people that both look good. One’s male, one’s female.
Always pick the female because women tend to be just slightly more hypnotizable than them. Their difference with difference with differences with ethnic groups. Northern Europeans do not tend to be as hypnotizable as people from say where their heritage is from the Indian subcontinent. It’s, it’s just, just these little things, these little tricks, ways that, you know, suggest ability tests that, that give you a good idea as to whether or not a person is going to resist you, not necessarily how good a person is going to be in going into hypnosis.
I, I was talking with someone, uh, just today. And during our whole conversation online, she kept flashing a spiegel eye roll. Every, every time I, I mentioned something that was visual, this woman’s eyes popped into her, you know, up into her cranium , and I was looking just at the whites of her eyes and I, I just, I thought, well, you know, Spiegel eye roll, as you know, people who can roll their eyes up in their head and keep them up there as they slowly close their eyes so that you see that kind of zombie look, just the whites of the eyes according to, to Spiegel.
There’s a 75% correlation between people that do that and people who are highly hypnotizable. So, So I guess the thing is, if you. How to find the people that are the most hypnotizable, then that takes away your fear of failure. Mm-hmm. . And when you’re not afraid of failing, you could do anything. You can, I mean, you know what I, I shouldn’t say this, I shouldn’t say this, but I’m gonna say it anyway.
In demonstrations, like for instance at AT conferences, I have never failed. Yeah. I have never, ever failed. And that is, I’m, I’m really good at selecting candidates. So those are, that’s one of the things that Well, let, let me jump in on that though, because I think that’s an interesting phrase to which I, I say something, and I call this out as being extremely bold, which is that if I’m doing a demo and I’m about to bring someone up and go for some pretty big hypnotic phenomenon, their eyes are open and something’s happening, and we’re having a conversation around it.
You know, part of that skill, Part of that strength is, yes, thank you. Some of the things I’ve learned from you over the years, , but also the ability to, let’s use a careful metaphor here. Stack the deck appropriately so by the time we actually go for the demo, we are already certain it’s going to work.
Absolutely. Absolutely. And then also, here’s a little trick that I don’t think I’ve ever discussed with anybody, but, but here I saw something ugly, years and years ago, it was during a hypnosis class, and the, the hypnotist who I will not identify, uh, did a demonstration in front of the class with a person whom he wrongly judged.
As being, as being a good, not a candidate. He was wrong. At the end of the demo, which was kind of long and drawn out, he said to that person, So what did you, What did you, What did he say exactly? What did you think of that? Or, I think it was along the lines of what did you think of that? Which left open, left it open for the guy to answer?
What the heck was that? I didn’t feel anything. Yeah. , Oh my, my heart. My heart still hurts when, when I think about that situation and, and, and, and so. You know, it’s something very simple, like at the end of a demonstration, asking a question that enables the, the, the subject to, to burst your bubble in front of an entire room of people and say, I wasn’t hypnotized.
Yeah. . Yeah. So, yeah, so that was, that was, that will stay with me, that will stay with me till my, uh, my final days. And, and so, you know, just little, little tricks that, you know, you learn through making mistakes. You learn through. Through failure. And my gosh, I failed a lot when I was, when I was new, but that was cuz I, I didn’t learn the, the most important thing.
Well I think it comes around to also just that being open and being willing to learn that, you know, to be someone that, you know, I’ve known this about you for years to be also going to workshops, continuing to learn and Oh yeah. Look at what you do. I was curious to ask are, are there ways in which, let’s say your opinions or even your definitions of hypnosis have changed over the.
Oh my gosh, yes. You know, when I, when I first became a hypnotist, it, I took a really good course and I came outta there and I knew everything. And it was all black and white. Yeah. And some things worked and some things didn’t work. And that was the way it was. And, and it was a very good class. It was a very core, good course.
And, and I did know a lot. But now many of the things that I knew for sure way back then, I don’t believe anymore. I don’t believe them at all. And so, yeah, let’s look at some things like, let’s see, the coma state. Mm-hmm. . Okay. Now, I don’t really have a, a, a definite belief about the hypnotic coma right now, or the Dale State, but what I do have now is a lot of questions that I used to have and, and now I.
I mean, what I have is a lot of questions that I used to not have. For instance, it’s uh, you know, from Elman’s book and, and his lectures, you get the impression that Coma State is, uh, Dale State is not good for suggestions. And I remember years ago, one of my students said, Well, then how come when you told her to emerge?
She. Yeah. Well, well, okay, so we need to think about this is, is the Esda state truly a bad state in which to receive suggestions? Because, let me throw a filter in. Go ahead here. Which would, I’d say this is a. Little bit of a riddle that I kind of came up with around even a reaction that Yeah, and, and there’s an unfortunate term in here of, of the word control, and I think you’re gonna hear the intention as to where it comes from, that if you create it, you have control over it.
If you don’t create it, you don’t have control over it. So I, I draw the correlation to a reaction that if it’s, let’s say regression, where the intention is to bring up the a reaction and then ride it to an event. Because we, as the practitioner, I don’t wanna use the word ringmaster, but that’s what’s coming to mind.
But because we are the one who has now called upon that, it gives us that, you know, operator, and again, another unfortunate word here, follower, but because of that, there’s already a working relationship and that’s why. We can then say, scene fades and you tend to your breathing right. That’s been my answer to go, well, if in Esda State they go so deep, they’re unresponsive, why is it we can still emerge them?
It’s like, well, because there still is that operation there as opposed to, you know, the, the spontaneous esda, which is a quirky thing to run into, but a beautiful gift in a stage hypnosis show to go, I think I broke this one , you know, and then get him. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That’s, no, I, I, I always like the way you treat that.
I think that’s, that’s very, very clever. I really like that, and I was so impressed when you first told me about it, but yeah, I mean, it is possible. I, I, it seems, it seems to make sense to me that if it’s a spontaneous coma, that it might be, A little bit more work to bring the person out. It, it might be however.
Yeah. You know, spontaneous comas are, are very rare. It’s, uh, Elman used to say, and I’m not sure, I mean, it’s a great number. One in 10,000 would happen in the stage show, and so it, it’s. There aren’t that many of them for you to, for me to draw the data and, and, and, and read the data so it, but it may, it makes sense to me that if it was a spontaneous coma, it might be a little bit more difficult to bring them up.
However, we know that certainly you can do it, You can certainly do it with the, the threat, the coma threat. Or you know, and you can use the threat, You can start talking about their bladder and certainly that thing must be full and probably you have to use the toilet. And, you know, I’ve never, I don’t know, Have you ever had, I’ve never had anybody have an accident, no matter how relaxed they are.
No, no. I, I think. To one time, and I forget where I heard this story, but it was the stage hypnosis show. And this is back 12 years ago, I think. And the unfortunate cap of the story is that, well, bullying works, so we used it. No, it was that Here’s this one girl that just wasn’t emerging at the end of the show.
Yeah. And you know, we can, we, we can never go with the absolute of, Oh, that’s why. I found out after the program that there were a lot of issues at home. The brother had been arrested and this was the one day that she was at school to pick up the missed homework and it became, we’re doing an assembly and she, she stays and she’s now the star of my show,
And you know, the best assessment I could make after the fact, only by guessing here, is that suddenly the entire audience was laughing and this was a good place to. You know, so, so to make it something positive, which does make me regret the way that I did the, the break, it just sat down next to her uhhuh, a moment of quiet kind of gestured to the audience for everyone to be quiet too, and just muttered the phrase, Everyone’s looking at you.
And eyes popped up. And now that being said, the classic, you know, coma threat was that I’ll make it so you can never go back to this level again. And mine was the, the coma benefit, which again, we’re talking now three that’s ever happened for me. I can see you’re enjoying it there, and as you follow my instructions to emerge this next time or to come out of hypnosis this next time, I’ll show you how you can do this on your.
And you know, there’s the, the carrot dangled on, that’s the carrot dangled on the stick. And then I teach a quick self-improvement thing. Uhhuh. Yeah, . I like it. So then have you been seeing clients during this time? Yes. Yes. I’ve been seeing clients, but certainly nowhere near the rate. As before, but like I say, I’ve been taking advantage of this time to do things that I didn’t have time to do before when I was seeing clients, a lot of clients.
So, you know, writing the book, enjoying being in Florida, which you’ll soon be doing, you know, you, you’re, you’re always a step ahead of me. You, uh, you wised up to, uh, get out of the cold weather. See, it took me, it took me 20 years longer than it took you to wise up to. It sucks. , it sucks in the snow and ice as it’s, it’s s fleeting here right now, and it’s like, it’s not snowing.
It’s just ice at this point. And yeah, the bags are already already packed. good, smart man. I mean, it’s 80 degrees here. It’s beautiful. But, well, again, I’d say it’s what you talked about there in terms of, Oh, let, Let me ask you this, then in the process, which, yes, the book will be out later this year. Yeah.
Is there a different take on hypnosis that you think the general public should be introduced? Well, that, that will probably be the fourth book, but this book, , this book is, is going to be for, for newbies. Mm-hmm. . And so it’s, it’s, um, it’s not going to have it, is it? It’s funny basic books. Well, in any subject, basic books are going to be sort of, Well, basic
Yeah. And, and they’re so. There will not be anything too controversial in this book. It’ll be simple. This is the way you do hypnosis. Yeah. And so, but it’ll, it’ll be out in the summer because my editor is, I’m married to my editor, so, you know, I, I’m not gonna have any communication problems with. You know, back and forth with the manuscripts and things like that, so, So that’s always good.
Yeah. So, but, but no, no, there will be no, no revelations. This is, I hate to say dumbed down, but it will be certainly simplified because it’s not for the expert, Probably any of the experienced hypnotists that are listening to this, you will not be interested in my next book. It is not for you. It might be something you give somebody who’s new.
Or wants to learn it, but this is not gonna be for experienced s But uh, yeah, so, so, but this has given me, covid has given me an opportunity to do things that, that I don’t normally do. Enjoying the Florida, I mean, we play tennis four times a week. That’s nice. Never had time to do that before. So, Yeah. It’s, it’s, it’s okay.
We’re, we’re doing alright. Nice. Although I’m remembering back and I had a student who, and I had the same experience. I had a student who goes, You know what? I went off and bought idiot Complete Idiots Guide to Hypnosis , um, by Roberta Temps. And you know, he goes, I bought it almost to put on my desk. As a gag.
If the client said something weird, I could pick it up as a joke. But then he just, then I started to read it and like it’s really good. I actually have heard good things about that. It’s, it’s phenomenal. And I’m sure we’ll not link to it in the show notes cuz my editors are listening. No, but it’s where looking at.
There’s something to be said about back to some of the basics and you know, this is an appreciation that I’ve had of some of the work that I’ve done teaching projects with Richard, non guard Uhhuh, that, you know, there’s often the disclaimer of saying, this is not going to impress hypnotists. This is what I actually do with people.
So I’d be curious to ask you then and already have the answer. So we’ve now got a client in front of you, you’re connected online, what’s gonna be your go-to induction? What? What’s gonna be that approach with that? Oh, if it’s online, it’s gonna be a Dave Elman induction, the Dave Elman induction, the classic Dave Elman induction, the Dave Elman induction that most hypnotherapist use is the The one where they pick the arm up and drop it.
But how do you modify that? Well, the Dave Elman induction was originally a stage induction and instead of. Checking the physical relaxation by picking the arm up and drop it. You simply tell the person to put the arm straight out in front of them, make it stiff and rigid. Mm-hmm. and, and then so stiff that it won’t bend.
And they try to bend it and it won’t bend. And then you snap your fingers or clap your hands. Their arm will drop, It does drop, and they go much deeper. So that was the original Dave Elman induction, and it works beautifully online on camera. It works great. So, and then, And then the rest of it is pretty much the same, uh, with the Elman induction, with the counting backwards from 100.
And letting the numbers go exactly the same. You can do that, uh, on camera so that, with that one small modification, which it always tickles me that it’s not really a modification. The one was picking the arm up and dropping it. That’s the modification. So the original element had the stiff arm, which we can use online.
And then the only reason Elman changed it was because he thought maybe it was inappropriate for a doctor’s office for somebody to be sitting there with their arms straight out and trying to bend their arm. So, because he thought that was kind of silly, he modified that Dave Elman induction, so that instead of that, they would pick the arm up, feel it nice and loose and limp, and then drop it when it was nice and relaxed.
So, So, yeah. Definitely online. It’s, it’s the EL in induction. Yeah. It tends to be my go-to as well. For the same reason that, you know, one of us who ever, you know, either learned it or even taught it at times. There’s always the lecture that, okay, so this is about small muscle catay. It’s not about the relaxed the eyes though.
Classically that’s what we do, and as soon as we understand the individual steps, This is the same conversation around, well, how do we modify the process for online hypnosis? Well, you ask yourself, what is this technique accomplishing? What else do I have in the toolbox? That’s like that thing? Mm-hmm.
Perfect. So, yeah. So I mean, it works. You can help people. Not my preferred method of operation, but you know, you, you, if you wanna help people, you have to do it. Yeah, no, you are trying to expand your, uh, business though by more Russian clients.
Oh yeah, my Facebook post, Well, as you know, I studied Russian many years ago, but never really learned to speak it very well. And then, well, I say many years ago, I mean, uh, 40 years ago, so I thought, Well, you, you also know that I have my display, my flag display in my office, and I have a flag for each one of the 17 countries where I’ve taught hypnosis and I thought I need some more flags.
So, where do I want to go? And I thought, well, well, another thing, if you’re teaching in foreign countries, very often you’re gonna use a translator. There are a lot of languages that I know a little bit of, but no language where I could teach in. But I thought maybe I could improve my Russian to the point where I could teach at least part of the class in Russia.
And so, My idea was to maybe, uh, after the pandemic ends, to go off and maybe hit one of the former Soviet republics or a couple of the former Soviet Republics, maybe, maybe Ukraine, maybe Baltic States, maybe, I don’t know, maybe Kazakhstan, I’m not sure, but, but. In those countries still, Russian is used a lot.
I mean, it does not make sense for me to learn Ukrainian. It’s very close to Russian, but to go from zero in Ukrainian would take me a heck of a long time. Whereas for me to get up to Russian, you know, it’s, it won’t take as long. So anyway, so, so yeah, I’m doing this. I’m, It’s Covid, right? So I’m, I’m, I’m devoting time to this.
I’m taking lessons twice a week. I have a couple. Tutors that I’m working with online. So just to tell, I mean, just as an example, just
do you want some more or should I, you know, stop now. , I’ll tell you. I’ll tell what I was just saying was normally takes me 58 seconds to. Oh, nice. That was part, that was my pre-talk, the beginning pre in Russian . And so I was talking about the, the first myth about hypnosis that you lose control, which you don’t.
So anyway, so I thought if, if I can, if I can work with these tutors and one of them, Really, really super girl. She’s actually a speech therapist, so she’s helping me a lot with my tr my, uh, pronunciation, which has always been awful. So, so yeah, so I’m, I’m excited about it. And when this is all over, maybe, maybe, uh, we take a little trip to, uh, one of the former Soviet Republics and set up a class and yeah, I think it could be fun.
I’m flashing back to, there was a time I was doing a webinar and the webinar was titled Double Your Hypnosis Business. And really what the webinar was about was something I’ve talked about on here many times over. You know, when you book your clients, a good idea is to start with a plan of at least two appointments.
You know, rather than say we’ll do one and that’s promising a lot, Hey, we start with a plan of two if that’s all we need for, and the double Your Hypnosis business was the clever title to introduce that theme, although we’ll have her on the podcast sometime soon. Nora Noble, just comment as she goes, Yeah, you did double my business.
In fact, tripled it with that alone. I’m like, But again, I was mentioning this, this webinar at one of the conferences and a guy walked by and he goes, I’ll tell you how you can double your business. Like, Oh, how he goes, Learn another language. More clients. . Sean Damnit. You did it. , I’ve, I’ve heard the story.
We haven’t captured it on this program though. Tell us about doing instant inductions, but only learning the word sleep. Oh yeah. Very easy. It’s because, because, okay. In, in general, okay, there’s the physical part of the induction. No language needed for that. But then you need to say, after you’ve done the, the shock, you need to say sleep.
So it’s it’s spot in Russian DMA in Portuguese. And, and, and so, So, um, and. In German, except for in Swiss German it’s more like str. So anyway, so, So all you need is that one word, and then you can continue doing your deepens in your own native language. Someone told me many years ago that really, for Deepeners, it doesn’t really matter.
A whole bunch. What you say, just so you say it in the right tone of voice and a nice calming, sing songy voice. And you could be talking about just about anything in the world and it doesn’t really matter, you know, . So, so yes. So I’ve done instant inductions in many languages and only, uh, only done it using one word.
I did it in Chinese once, but I cannot remember what the word was. But tonal language that can be. So, yeah, so, so learn how to say sleep in the target language and you can do an instant in. So there’s an obvious question that always pops up in this category. We know hypnosis is not sleep. We even go so far to explain the client that it’s not sleep.
Right. So what’s your take on why we would use the word sleep for the instant ? Just because it’s fast, you know? Uh, I’ve also done it when I’ve just said relax. Mm-hmm. , but, but sleep, it’s, it’s, it’s kind of tradit. It’s been used, It’s been used forever and ever. Often we use it with a reduction point and say, sleep and, and even though people know that it’s not sleep, that may be overplayed.
We talked about things that have changed in my, my, uh, my feelings about hypnosis. That’s one. You know, I used to really go outta my way to explain to people that it’s not sleep. Reason being, I didn’t want them to come outta trance and say, Hey, but I wasn’t asleep. But, but when I. Hypnosis. I always test the individual, you know, I lock their eyes shut.
I make their arms so stiff they can’t bend it. I I stick them to a light pole or something like that, or their hand to the, to the arm of my, my hypnosis chair. I do things like that so they know. By golly, something’s going on here because I, I couldn’t lift my hand, so, so they’re not gonna come out of trance and say, Hey, but you said sleep and I wasn’t asleep.
Right. They know they got hypnotized. So my aversion to saying, or to my aversion to saying the word sleep is, Is kind of going away. Cause you know, they, they’re not asking me if it, if it, if they were asleep. They’re not because I test them to prove to them that they were hypnotized. So, so, yeah. Yet, yet another, a small crack in the, my, uh, my beliefs about hypnosis.
Well, it’s, Even around too. I mean, I appreciate that, you know, you do a short pre-talk. I do a short pre-talk and it’s where early on I had learned elsewhere to go, here’s the entire structure of the mind. Here’s what we refer to as the conscious mind and the subconscious mind, and. The polite thing to say is the client was glazing over, but not in the way that I wanted them to.
Exactly. . So the, the catch phrase in the slight of hand, magic world is do not run when you’re not being chased. Yes. Um, I have here an ordinary pack of playing cards that, No, they’re. Not that you’re inviting concern by going out of your way to prove something is legit. When it said here, pack card, shuffle ’em up, pick one,
Exactly. You know, by putting too much into it. And then again, you’re beautiful nuance. Don’t tell them, they’re not gonna tell secrets because that wasn’t their fear. , this has been great having you back on and again catching. In terms of the sort of evolution of a process and how we can look at refining what we do and adapting it over time, where can people best get in contact with you?
How can they best learn from you? Uh, well, if they check out my YouTube channel, just Google me on YouTube, Sean, Michael Andrews, that are gonna find a lot of videos or 300 videos on YouTube and, and it’s split. I mean, some of them are strictly entertainment hypnosis, but some of them are. Principles of hypnosis, how to do a particular induction.
So that’s always a good, a good place to start. They can find me on my website, world’s fastest hypnotist.com. Well, yeah. This is, This is podcast what, three 19 or or three? Yeah, 319. 319. Well, I have a newsletter and I’m on episode. I am on issue 478. We’ll go out next Tuesday. So it’s been going, it’s been going for, oh my gosh, 12 years or something like that.
It’s been going a heck of a long time. So, uh, in, in the newsletter, I also teach hypnotic principles, how to do a particular induction, a particular deepener, how to do a kind of therapy and that sort of thing. So, you know, it’s all, it’s all free. Hypnosis knowledge that is out there. There’s just so much out there.
Yeah. So that’s, that’s how they can find me if they want. So you had to, I had to peak. This is the fourth time on the, You were on episode number three back in number three. Yeah. It’s been a while. I, I, I was, and I was honored and I, I am still honored and I’m seeing a red theme in every episode so far. So we have to make sure we get that in the design of, uh, this one on the page.
Any thanks again for coming on though. Any final thoughts before we wrap it up? No, just looking forward to getting together with you when you, you do that Smart Move to Florida. Jason Lynette here once again, and as always, thank you so much for downloading this program, for subscribing, for leaving your reviews.
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