Session #35: Scott Sandland’s Origin Story

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If you build it, they will. This is the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast, session number 35, part one with Scott Sandlin. Welcome to the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast with Jason Lynette, your professional resource for hypnosis training and outstanding business success. Here’s your host, Jason Lynette. Welcome. And before we even get started, I’m just gonna tell you now, this is probably gonna be one of those podcast sessions that you end up listening to More than once, I would even bet more than twice.

There’s just so much content packed into this program here today, which is again, why we’re splitting it up to be a two part series. Now, in this part one with Scott Sandlin, you’re gonna hear the origin story, and I love using. That phrase, it sounds like it’s some sort of superhero quest. Uh, but in many ways it may be, uh, something that started off as this little idea that then spiraled and grew and became one of the biggest online, if not the biggest online community of hypnotists worldwide launching into, uh, convention as well.

Now, I’m splitting this program in the two parts. Part one, as you’re about to listen to, Is basically all about Scott’s personal story, how he got into hypnosis and what his journey was in terms of building a very, very different style of business than most of us have even thought about. Even building the amount of work he’s done to bridge that gap between the medical professions and hypnotism.

It’s just phenomenal. So pay very special attention to the information here. And then part two, we’re gonna then jump into more of the how is hypnosis learned conversation, So approaches to training hypnosis that tend to, Well, they tend to challenge some of the older, more accepted ways of doing things, but also at the same time, it’s perhaps modeling the way that most modern education is now.

That session, Part two of this is gonna come to you in a couple of weeks, but let’s jump in right away. This is part one with Scott Sandlin.

You took a slightly different path than other people did in that you began by finding a place, and correct me on this, by finding a place that you could be in residence as a hypnotist. Pretty much, I mean, I was doing house calls first while I was finding that, you know, I, I didn’t have the bank roll to get an office, so I was, I was trying to solve for that in other ways.

And so I went with house calls and find a place where I could be on staff, and then I went to renting space a la carte from another hypnotist. But yeah, I mean, really the, where I got my traction was, uh, on. Yeah. And your entry point into hypnosis was one that you were a client first, right? Yeah. Car accident.

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. I was in a car accident where I ended up on pavement, and that hurts incredibly and, and all over. And, uh, and so that’s what, that’s what happened to me. I was in pain everywhere and I was a. College athlete in tons and tons of pain. And I’m one of those people that, uh, opiates don’t just, they don’t work on right.

You know, there’s a percentage of people that the opiates, they’ll make me stupid, but they won’t make the pain any less at all. So they did not work. So out of complete desperation, I went and found a hypnotist and I did not believe in hypnosis at all. Like really, I was as skeptical as any client I’ve ever.

Uh, but I was completely desperate. So I went and I just told the woman that I said, I don’t believe in this, but everything hurts and I will do whatever you say and give it a fair shot. And she was completely unimpressed by my criticism and my, my hesitancy. And she said, Look, just do what I say. I did what she said.

And in the first session, I had about a 30% reduction in pain con, which was a huge deal for me. You know, 30% in 45 minutes was better than I’d received anywhere. And, uh, so I kept going back to see her. I was 18, you know, so I went and I showed my roommates and my, my buddies, we were all college athletes, so everybody I knew was in pain.

So I started. Kind of parroting back what she was doing to me, to my roommates and my teammates and stuff like that. And I didn’t have an incredibly high success rate cuz I, you know, I didn’t know what I was doing, but it was enough that I kind of, I got the bug and I got hooked and so I, I wanted to, uh, up my success rate.

And so I, I went and I just took classes and then I was doing, you know, stage hypnosis kind of stuff in dorm rooms and, uh, performance enhancement stuff for tests and athletics and, uh, just sort of ran away with itself. Yeah. Were you on a different track before that, I’m sure? Oh yeah, Yeah. Uh, it’s actually not that dissimilar from yours.

I was a film major actually. Okay. Yeah. I wanted to be a storyteller and uh, I guess, I guess I kind of am, you know, but, Oh, yeah. You know how that is. It’s that experience that from our trainings, the, the experience of whatever our own personal life experience is prior to hypnosis, oddly enough, seems to consistently be the best possible experience we could have had going into that.

I forget if I told you mine. I was the one watching a stage hypnotist, and probably like you, uh, a number of my friends were the acting majors and the entire audience was skeptical going. This person’s an actor. They’re faking and I’m watching and going, Yes, he’s an actor, but he’s not that good. Right, Right.

This is convincing. I love this . Yeah. And uh, you know, there’s a, there’s a discussion on hypno, thoughts going on about that kind of thing right now on where’s your background and what little pieces are you bringing to this? Uh, and Michael Elner talks about that in terms of soft skills, um, quite a bit.

And I think it’s good. And, uh, so I mean, just looking at that thread, there are people talking about, well, the stuff I do with horses, and then I coach my kids’ soccer team and I’m learning a lot about how to help people based on just watching my kids. And, you know, all these people are talking about.

Their unique backgrounds and their unique starting points, and I think there’s a lot to be said for that. Let’s jump around a little bit. Yeah. At which point, working in hypnosis, At which point learning in hypnosis did the idea for hypno thoughts.com for show up? So I’m, I’m a member of the I M D H A, the International Medical and Dental Hypnotherapy Association, and they had, um, Yahoo groups back then.

A lot of people had Yahoo groups, Brian, David Phillips. There were, there were a bunch of them and I was a member of some of those for me. I was going to hypnosis conferences, but, and this sounds weird. They were, they were pretty lonely things for me because I was 18 and I, I look young still and so 18 year old me looked like 12 year old.

And so I was this very much this kid and there wasn’t anybody within 20 years of my age at these conferences. And so I would go to the classes and like you said, the, the best learning at a conference, I completely agree, happens at the bar and in the hallway and those sorts of things. And I wasn’t allowed at the bar, right?

So, so I would go, it was like school for me. I would go to classes and then I would just go back to my hotel room and that’s, it’s, Looking back on it, that’s like the saddest, most pathetic thing that I would just go to these hypnosis conference and then just go home functionally just into this hotel room and just study what I had learned.

And that’s what I did. But then I learned these Yahoo groups. People didn’t know how old or young I was or how older or young I looked, and they, they had to judge me about the content of my character, right? . And so, And so because of that, I got more traction, I got better feedback, I got better, uh, you know, coaching and things like that.

And then there were guys like Michael Elner and, and Jim Duncan and, and Linda Otto and these people that, uh, Marty Patton, who’s, uh, who was awesome. And then Paul Durbin, these people who were really, uh, encouraging of what I had going on. And I’m a nerd. And so I started becoming aware. Where the Yahoo groups, just from a technological perspective, was completely lacking.

Right. You know, there’s just, it’s just text and it’s not even very well organized. And even today they’re still, you know, not very well executed. It’s really a missed opportunity. They’re kind of the same as probably they were about 10 years ago. Yeah. I have one that I first joined in 2008, and I think the Daily Digest email looks identical.

Yeah. As if they just gave up on it and just said, Here it is. That’s really what happened. And so that was when. MySpace was a thing, right? Mm-hmm. . And so I said, What if we could get all the cool technology of MySpace into hypnosis? And I went to a couple people who had. Uh, Yahoo Groups and I told them this and they all said, No, we don’t wanna change anything.

We don’t wanna do anything. This just works. And so I just made it myself. And for the first, gosh, I don’t know, for the first six months, it wasn’t even called hypno thoughts. I didn’t think it was gonna be a thing at all. My goal for hypno thoughts when I built it was people I knew were gonna use it and, uh, it was gonna be just like the other Yahoo groups, but it’d be easier to put in videos and stuff like that.

And really my goal was someday let’s get 500 people. That would be an insane hope. Like if we got to 500, I didn’t know what was gonna happen. I was, I was really thinking about 160 was gonna be my. And then it’s one of the things that really made hypno thoughts launch. Most people don’t know this. The, one of the things that was one of the most important stepping stones in the history of hypnosis was, uh, one of my mentors dying.

A woman that most people don’t know, but the people who knew her, loved her. Her name was Janet Macy, and she had been an early mentor to me. She was just awesome and, and she died. And I was sad and I, people didn’t have blogs. Like I didn’t have anything like that to, to kind of just vent that. Right. And so just what I was thinking about, I just wrote on hypno thoughts cuz that was the only place on that I could Right.

And I, and I just posted it and I didn’t do anything with it, but I, I sent a link to a couple mutual friends, uh, the, you know, just who knew her professionally and, and personally like I did. It just kind of in a very small sense went viral in our community and a bunch of people who knew her, you know, she was real active in, uh, in the ach e and was, was a friend of Gil Bos and, uh, the friend of Anne Spencers, who at the time was.

uh, the I M D H A who founded it. Um, and so some of those people all showed up and they all just started kind of sharing their thoughts and then they kind of looked around and went, Hey, this thing’s kind of neat. And that’s really what got hypno thoughts on the map was that, which is kind of odd. Well, I, I’d reference that there’s.

One program that I’ve done with this podcast, that’s probably the most downloaded one that I’ve done, which is that one that I did a little while ago, just on seven things I learned in 2014. Mm-hmm. and, And it’s interesting too, to look at other people in different businesses, even different, entirely different things.

It’s when that element finally comes in where, and I hate to use the phrase, when something is deeply personal, it that can’t be faked. Yeah, yeah. When there’s just. True statement of, Hey, here’s what’s going on, and here’s what my opinions are and here’s how this makes me feel. It. It’s that moment where, whether it’s the politician where we get that, look at the scope of recent elections over the LA well the last 20 years.

And here’s the one that people just cannot identify with, they cannot connect with. They can’t get on the same plane as that person. So let’s kind of take that for a moment into our process. How much, you know, from the theater world, from the film world does all this work about finding that character? How long into hypnosis would you say, here’s a stream of consciousness?

How long into this process of doing hypnosis would you say it was? Until if even yet, you’ve really found your voice in terms of how you do it, what your individual style is. That’s a really good question. I prepared that one hobby. I just made it up. Yeah, no, that’s great question because I don’t think most hypnotists even know that that’s a thing.

Well, yeah. I mean, it’s the phrase of I had a hobby doing magic as a kid, like up until about high school years and I kind of disappeared with colleges. I discovered hypnosis and. It’d be interesting that you could watch somebody and, okay, they’re doing this magician for this trick and this magician for that trick.

This was kind of, I was at the age range where video instruction was flourishing, right? Which the old school people were all from books and with hypnosis, you could start to watch somebody in. Even from a similar perspective, pick apart where their style come from. So now that I’ve given you some time for it, you should have an answer now, right?

Well, well, the interesting thing is I launched hypno thoughts before I really found what I think is now my voice and, and it should evolve. But for me, the, I remember even posting this on Yahoo groups and, and saying, Look, I am good at hypnosis now. I’ve been working really hard. I’ve been watching the videos.

I’ve been practicing. I’ve been, and you know, I was doing this in college so I had all these people just, you know, dorm rooms full of people who would let me practice on them. And so I was like, I was hypnotizing hundreds of people and I knew how to do hypnosis, but I didn’t know what hypnotherapy really was and I didn’t know how to get there, you know, Cuz again, I was 20 and looked 16, and so trying to.

Find a voice that was an authority enough to help people with a real issue that still was congruent with how I visually looked was a real challenge, and I remember getting to the point where I could own that. Where I could switch from. I’m too young to do this, to look mentally, you know, in terms of how you psych yourself up saying, Look how awesome I am, even at this young age, right?

That kind of confidence flip had to happen. I remember the first time I really had to use it, I had a client in, uh, and it was in the dental office. And, and he had real issues. You know, there was, there’s a lot going on, you know, uh, divorces and business stuff, and you know, just a real world, a real life. An adult man looked at me and he said, I’ve got all this going on.

What are you 12? How are you supposed to help me? And he meant it. And he wasn’t trying to be insulting. He was saying, I need help. Why the hell did they send you? And I had to answer that question in that moment. He said, How are you supposed to help me? And I looked at him and I said, I can help you because I’m really good at my job.

And that, that just kind of came out and he was completely satisfied by that answer, which is ridiculous in hindsight. But he was, he was satisfied by the congruence that I had. And I realized that in that moment I could use a sort of, as a character, this version of me. Uh, you know, a little bit cocky, uh, but sincere, right?

You know, sincere and caring and knowledgeable and finding that, and, and, you know, wanting to play with that. You watch shows like, I don’t know, House and things like that, and you watch the way he’s able to help people without caring about people. And do you want that or do you want, you know, something more emotional?

And there’s a gestation period of this issue that just takes repetitions and there’s that whole, and I go back to it a lot. The Malcolm Gladwell 10,000 hours thing. Uh, and it’s not a binary thing. We’re at 9,000 hours, you suck, and at 10,000 hours you’re good. But, but there really is something to be said for gestation and, and getting the opportunity to experiment and play with finding your voice.

Uh, the other piece for me as a presenter and an educator, Was practice groups. You know, we had a thing in LA called the Saw Manul. Sleepwalkers. Mm-hmm. . And there were a number of groups, you know, nationally that ran those, you know, started in New York and there were others. Uh, it’s a terrible name, , but it’s a, it’s a great thing.

It was a, it was before meetups and it was a free hypnosis practice group and, uh, LA we met every week. Other places only met once a month, but we met every Tuesday in a different spot. Uh, you know, so we had four different locations. And so first Tuesday we met in Long Beach. Second Tuesday we met in la.

Third Tuesday we met in Orange County. And so we would just go to them, which meant I had to, you know, when it was my turn to present, you know, I would present the element induction or, you know, whatever it was. And it meant that I had. Present the same topic four times in a month, which at that point in my career was incredibly useful.

And, and getting feedback from people on, on what worked and what didn’t. And, uh, then watching video of myself and, and listening to recordings of myself and diving in, in those ways that I think a lot of hypnotists don’t really see the value. But it’s an audition, it’s a rehearsal, it’s a muscle, and you build that muscle.

And the more you do that, the better you get at it. So to me, uh, it’s kind of a, a rambling answer, but it took me until, I knew the answer to what is the difference between hypnosis and hypnotherapy for me? Mm-hmm. and, and once I knew, okay, I’m not just doing hypnosis. I can do hypnotherapy. And some people don’t like that word, um, because it has the word therapy in it, but for me, at least internally, there has to be a difference.

Because I know what I was doing when I was hypnotizing people and I know what I’m doing when I’m seeing clients and for me to understand how to do my job well, I want to delineate those things. Yeah, absolutely. And it, it’s shocking to me how many people don’t review their own process. Uh, I’ve, I got my start in this from doing stage hypnosis, and I often would feel that the work that I’m doing.

In the session is often more stage hypnosis than my stage hypnosis, not from the sake of entertainment. Give ’em a round of applause. Now that this fear is God no. Instead from this perspective of my whole thing is I’ve gotta go into that mental state of your success and bring you along for the ride, and I’ve gotta step into that.

That’s gotta be real for me. Otherwise, I don’t think either of us is gonna go there that. Yeah, there is an element of, and I think this might rub some people the wrong way, but there’s an element of showmanship that is inherent in seeing clients. I’d say that a hundred percent true. Yeah. Yeah. It’s that element of how do we.

On on one side of things, yes. It’s the hypnotherapy process. I we’re both in states. You’re in California. You can use the word hypnotherapy, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Same is true for Virginia. I have my own clever reasons for preferring the word hypnosis, but in my conversations with other hypnotists, there’s a clear.

Now we’re talking hypnosis. Now we’re talking hypnotherapy conversation. Mm-hmm. . And it seems that even in states where that word is heavily regulated, the same conversation is going on in terms of just how we talk about the education of the process, but to recognize those moments where one is beginning and one is ending, where one is blending into the other.

Yeah. I think is where that showmanship comes. So let’s jump back then. You’re working in spaces you can find, you eventually get things set up. You’ve done something that I think is, is fascinating that is that you’re in residence mm-hmm. in places that often people would be surprised to find out there’s a hypnotist.

Yeah. Uh, I’m weird in that respect. And at this point now it’s, it’s really. Um, it, it wasn’t in the beginning. Uh, so I’m on staff in a dental office. I used to go in every week. I don’t go in every week anymore just because it’s not financially worth it for me. Uh, they send me the referrals. I only go in there maybe one day a month now.

But yeah, that’s great. I’m still on staff there and it, and it’s nice. I was on staff there where I was going in every week for eight years maybe. So I did eight years of once a week in there, Uh, seven maybe, something like that. Uh, I’m on staff in, uh, a doctor’s office. I, I recently am no longer on staff in the doctor’s office cuz the doctor’s office was just, um, purchased by uc, Irvine School of Medicine.

And so, and I’ve taught at that med school to, uh, to med students, to first year students. And I, I’ve taught at some of their, uh, colloquium lecture series on neurology and, and neuropathic pain. But the, but now that the practice has moved from, uh, a private practice, To the, uh, the actual university clinic.

I’m now on a red tape waiting list, but you know, I did, I’d say four years on staff in that, uh, medical facility. Now it’s just referrals. I’ll probably end up on staff again at some point down the line, but right now it’s referrals, uh, which is obviously fun. And then I’m on staff in five or six or seven drug rehab.

You know, some of them are residential, some of them are outpatient, some of them are very high end. Some of them are in an alternative to prison time. So it’s, it’s a, it’s a wide variety there that, uh, I see people for all of those things on treatment teams and overwhelmingly the staff and the clients.

Love the integration of hypnosis into those programs. How different would you say, let’s say that the process you’re making use of in that environment, how different would you say that is? Let’s say, when you’re at a drug rehab center as it is when you’re actually in your own private office? Uh, the main difference is, uh, how much flexibility is required.

You know, I’m very spoiled in my office. My office is pretty darn silent. Uh, I’ve got nobody around me. I’ve got a, you know, buffers and offices around me that are quiet. Uh, I’ve got a nice view. I’ve got comfortable furniture and the things work the way I want in all those other places. I have, it’s gotta be rock and roll, right?

Where you gotta say, Hey, I need you to see these patients in this room instead of this room. I need you to, I mean, in one of the offices I’ve been in, in one of the medical offices, they said, I need you to drag the recliner chair down the hall in front of the patients and then see ’em in that treatment room instead of this exam room because of some constructions and, and you just need to be able to do that in the drug rehab center.

It’s even more. I’ll be working with a group and then somebody will come in. I mean, I’ve, in the past two months, wild cards that I’ve dealt with are in the middle of a group session. Someone gets pulled out and is told they have cancer and then sent back into the room. Or people will be pulled out and told they are, uh, been filed for divorce, you know, their spouses divorcing them, and then they are put back in the room.

I’ve had sessions where 10 minutes before group starts, I find a dead. And it’s a person I know. So the flexibility and your ability to be a professional under dramatically unal scenarios comes with all those things. And that goes back to hypnosis being a muscle. And, uh, you know, you have to flex it and exercise it if you want it to be strong.

If you wanna work in clinical settings and if you wanna work on a team, part of teamwork is not getting your way and still showing up and being a profess. No, I, Yeah, I think back to someone that I met one time at a convention that was making use of a temporary space and for whatever reason that day couldn’t see the clients specifically though, because her favorite room wasn’t available.

Though I have my own story of being made fun of by a client. There’s a day, a few months back where, and this is by no means a comparison to what you just referenced, but it it’s the experience where I drive into my office park and there’s like six power trucks. And there’s no power. Right? Which admittedly I did call a client to say, Hey, just so you know, to which he made fun of me and saying, You talked to me in a dark room.

Why does it matter? There’s power. It’s like, Oh yeah, that’s right. Yeah. Their eyes are gonna be closed anyway. Yeah, but it’s that experience of. Call it gorilla training. Call it the experience of just having to make it work rather than where most people would’ve probably gone, Well, I need it quiet. I don’t have my music.

I need this. It’s why I’m a big fan of this and as much of a tech junkie I am that Before we started recording, you and I were talking microphones and webinar software. Yeah. Before any of that. I see the people that are making use of headphones during their sessions, making use of technology. To which my thought is always what, what happens when the power goes out?

Which of, of course, most people doing that are quite skilled and can do that, but it’s that mindset of make it work anywhere. I, I’d say that’s probably made you much more effective in your one-on-ones in your own office and that ideal environment. Oh yeah. I mean, my office, it feels like, it’s like tee-ball, you know?

It’s cheating cuz I get to, I get to stack the deck completely. Yeah. And you know, I, I meet them at the elevator, you know, I, I get to do all these things. I’ve got the right furniture. Think, you know, I get to set up everything the way I want to e evoke a set of emotions and to create an environment. And in those other places, I have to be able to do.

Only using me. Right. And, and come up with whatever the tools are. And some of it’s, you know, again, showmanship on, on what you do to create an environment when all you get is a folding chair. What environmental success tools would you use in that environment where it’s someone else’s place and it’s now you have to use this room?

Yeah. So if you’re gonna be in on a treatment team, to me, one of the key things is you can never, I mean, you, you shouldn’t do this ever anyway, but you can never say anything to complain about the situation you’re in, right? Mm-hmm. , you can’t say, Oh man, I guess we’re gonna be in the bad today, or, uh, forgive us while we’re dealing with this.

You can’t do any of that. You’ve gotta just say, This is where we’re going, and, and be ready to go. You can’t belittle the staff you’re dealing. Even if you back up and kind of make it a more meta picture, it’s, and they’ve done studies on this and they show that so much of the therapeutic benefit comes from the relationship, right?

The relationship I create with my client has a very healing, for lack of a better term impact. And that relationship has to be portable, right? Um, just like your friendships are. It doesn’t matter if you’re at a sports bar or a wedding. Or whatever your friendship is portable and you can create that bond.

This is a different kind of bond, obviously, but being able to do that in any of those places, that’s the showmanship. To me. It’s, I’m sincere. I genuinely care. I’m willing to interrupt you because I’m a little bit cocky and I’ve done this a lot, and because I’m good at what I. I’m willing to take calculated risks, and that requires probably a disclaimer, but I’m willing to take calculated risks to work with you to help you get what you want.

And I’m not just gonna sit here and nod my head. I’m gonna make sure that I’m fact checking you. I’m ecology checking you. I’m going with everything I can with my skills to help get what you want to have happened. Well, let’s actually spend some time on that then that it’s interesting that from the business world, They would train people to say that.

Um, and this would be an older school of thought, of course. Uh, but I, I’ve heard it even recently as well, the whole school of thought to say, You’ve got to let the person talk. You’ve gotta let them build up the rapport. You should stay in the, I’ve heard this from other schools of thought, even in hypnosis, that the phone call comes in and keep them on the phone for at least 30 minutes.

That way they’ve built rapport with you, yet what you’ve referenced here, An example, uh, I I, I flash too, if you’ve ever seen it, many people have seen the movie of Wolf of Wall Street. Right? But the guy, what’s based on Jordan Belfor teaches his straight line persuasion sales system, which is this way of, in that arena, it’s you’re moving towards the sale and that’s actually building rapport instead.

And in our hypnosis process, the more we can do that to always be navigating towards the close, always be closing. So look at it from the perspective of we sometimes do have that moment where it kind of goes against our sit, Like they sit, use their words. Um, sort of the, I’ll say it comfortably, the sort of bastardized version of rapport.

But those moments to interject those moments, to challenge a statement, to look for that self limiting belief and begin to unpack it. What kind of, give me like a characterization of how that process goes for you as you’re just beginning the process. Well, well, even philosophically, they’re coming to me because they need help.

Yes. And they feel out of control, uh, in some area of their life. Maybe completely, but often, Not completely. Often, it’s just as it relates to food or cigarettes or, you know, whatever. Mm-hmm. , they feel out of control. Very, There’s a real argument to be made for, Let me take control of that element of your life for the next 20 minutes.

I’ll take control of that for right now, and then we’ll teach you how to have control because they’re coming to a profess. Right. They have a whole, often a whole lot of people in their life who are there to listen, love and support. Right. And you can respectfully guide and lead. I love pacing. I really, really do.

And maybe if I’m critical of myself, I do too much pacing before I lead. Yeah. Being able to jump in and say, Look, I know how to do this. I’ve done this before. I’m gonna have a bunch of question. . And, and this is, I think when you talk about always be closing, and you already said the word sale, which is such a bad word in hypnosis, um, , But know anything that’s business related.

How, how dare we Oh, I know. Um, , I, I think the, the best piece of advice on how to close a client on the phone. and, uh, this really, and I was, I was talking to a couple of my students the other day about this answer, and it’s the best way to get them is you need to be able to answer the question that hasn’t been asked exactly, because if you can answer the unask questions, you can help me.

If you knew the question before I asked it, or even better if you knew the next question before I knew the next question, you are the pro that I want to go see. And so being able to do that is solution focused brief therapy. Right? And I know I’m not a therapist, but you, we can learn from that model. Well, it’s it’s sales 1 0 1 to satisfy objections before they even arise.

Right? And recognizing that even in our most conversational structure with our potential client on the phone, we probably say some of the same things in the same order each time. And to play that game and just begin to unpack as soon as I say this, what’s the possible concern? Well, this would be the response to that concern.

Why don’t I say that concern first then? So this never arises it. It’s like Groundhog’s Day, right? He’s not smarter than everyone. He’s just been there so many times. Yeah. That’s the last reference I expect you to go to on that one. I was expecting chess, but I’ll take Groundhog Day. I like that better.

Anytime I can get Bill Murray, I’ll take it every time. Thanks for listening to the Work Smart Hypnosis podcast and work smart hypnosis.com. Hey, it’s Jason Ette here, and just one more quick thing. Have you ever heard the phrase, I felt relaxed, but I don’t know if I was hypnotized? Well, if you’ve heard that statement before, what it basically means is that one of the most important ingredients of your hypnotic session or demonstration simply wasn’t there.

If your participant or your client leaves without the conviction and belief that they really experienced a state of hypnosis, one of the most important and essential ingredients, again, just wasn’t there. And what I’ve done for you is I’ve put together some real world tested strategies, powerful proven strategies, things that I make use of before, during, and after my hypnosis sessions that help me to build greater conviction, increase the belief in the process, and by accident, turn my clients into raving fans.

Of their experience. It’s all put together for you in a program I call Hypnotize with conviction. Several different strategies, again, before, during, and after your session or even demonstration that I know we’re gonna change the way that you do hypnosis. Whether you’re a hypnotherapist or a stage hypnotist, these techniques are for you.

Check it out online today, hypnotize with conviction.com.