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This is the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast, session number 360. Tama Linda Lux on Freedom with Language. Welcome to the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast with Jason Lynette, your professional resource for hypnosis training and outstanding business success. Here’s your host, Jason Lynette. It’s kind of amazing how so often just a singular moment can become that spark of an experience that suddenly.

Everything changes. And that is a big theme of this week’s episode with Tama Linda Deluxe, who does split her time in a variety of rather unique ways, and one part as a hypnotist and one part as a coach, and in one part that of someone who works as an editor in terms of helping people with their books or even the rather interesting project of that of.

Author books and this conversation absolutely delivers in terms of a unique perspective of a moment in life where suddenly a lot of things rapidly began to change and how of all things, it was hypnosis that really became a major pathway. Out of it. And I thank her genuinely for sharing the story here on this program, uh, because I know it’s gonna be an inspiration to many of you out there.

There is a slightly questionable moment though in this episode, which I’ll do my best to keep it cryptic for here cuz you’ll know when we get there, uh, which is kind of this side dialogue where oftentimes the practitioner of hypnosis, maybe, let’s say maybe inappropriately, is injecting their own belief systems.

Inside of the process. That being said, even as you listen to this conversation, there’s a, My favorite point of this moment here, , is when even Ta Melinda says, Well, maybe he was actually doing something intentionally because either way, and, and you’ll hear her story of the incredible success that she had.

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Don’t load that it doesn’t exist, at least not yet. Check out the details of that program [email protected] And with that, let’s dive directly into this week’s episode, session number 368. Tama Linda Lux on freedom with language. That first introduction to hypnosis for me was the day I was in my osteopaths office because I had taken a fall about six months earlier and.

I did some damage, was in physio for six months and nothing was really helping. And I was in my osteopaths office and he says, You know, you’ve been here for three months, I mean for three sessions and you’re not healing as quickly as I’d hoped. And he looked at me and I trust this man. And he said, So I wanna know how much alcohol you.

And I just looked at him and I thought, Oh my God, there’s a label on my forehead. And I thought, you know, I’m not getting better. And, and with the medication I’m on, I can’t do the work I’m doing. I’m self-employed. I love what I do. I wanna keep doing what I do, and I’m in agony, in pain. I’m gonna, I’m gonna own this.

And I told him, and he said, You’ve gotta. Kick the alcohol outta your life, He says, because this is what it’s doing to your body. And I left his office and I sat in my car and I. I’ve been to alcohol treatment for 20 plus, 25 years, maybe. Done everything under the sun. I was a high functioning alcoholic, running a business, running an Airbnb, running a nonprofit chapter of a national nonprofit.

And I thought, what else haven’t I done? And it popped in my head, hypnosis. Now, I only knew hypnosis from movies, and I come from a Christian background and I. I don’t know about this hypnosis thing. And I looked, I Googled and I made a phone call and the first available appointment for hypnosis for alcohol recovery, um, and cessation and all that stuff was on my deceased grandmother’s birthday.

And I took that as a sign. I went in and expecting that, you know, we could cut back the drinking. Um, and it was just white wine. But still, it was impacting my life and it was definitely impacting the healing that I needed. Um, I now have a permanent disability from that fall, but I said, I, I can’t go to zero.

Just get me down to like a level of, of alcohol consumption that is, is, is acceptable in how standards and won’t impact my life. And we did that in one session. Supported that in a second session and I thought, you know what? This shit works. perfect. This works. And I’m like, I can’t believe this. And so I signed up for hypnosis right away.

Yeah. And, um, it was his supervisor, mentor, he was still interning with, with this fellow. And I took the in person hypnosis training and the, the fellow who was training was actually really pissed. With his, um, with this, with his, uh, mentee because he didn’t take me to zero alcohol. He only did what I asked, which was reduce the alcohol consumption.

And I was really embarrassed, like I felt shame. And it was only a group of five of us in this, in this session. And, And I really felt shame and I had to really consider, am I going back for class number two, right? Mm-hmm. , like, am I going back? Because, because it, I, I was just full of shame and embarrassment, but he did what I asked.

Right? Right. Yeah. Yeah. How dare he help you with the thing you asked for? The nerve. See, I, I, I never thought I could, I could go to zero because I’d been in all kinds of treatment for 25 years. The only things I didn’t do was residential rehab, and I didn’t do alcoholics anonymous in person, but I did it online.

I had even detoxed at home with the support of my family physician five times. So I know how to do the detox as long as I have the, the medication. So anyways, I, I went back the next day and that was a, So the first day was a Friday. It was over Easter weekend. First day was a Friday, second day was a Saturday.

By Sunday, midway through class, I’m going, You know what? I, I can go to zero alcohol like forever. So I talked to the instructor and I said, Okay, but I want you to do the hypnosis session. He says, I’m not gonna do. He says Not until the course is done, and I really respected him because there was no conflict of interest then, yeah, between a student and a client.

So class was finished and three days later, May 3rd, one session. Alcohol gone. Kicked outta my life, Kicked outta my life. No triggers, no replacement addiction. There’s a third one to that, but funny enough, why I can’t remember it today. . . So that’s, that’s what got me into hypnosis, was my own desperate, desperate life situation.

And that’s what got me there. And I wanted to share that with as many people as I could, whether. Not that I was going into alcohol recovery support at that point. I didn’t feel qualified to do that, but I knew that there were other things I could help people with. So I wanted to spread the healing one mind at a time, is what I said at the time.

One mind at a time. I mean, I’ve since learned you can do it in group two, but , Yeah, I, I love that story. And I, I, I sincerely thank you. Thank you for sharing something that, that personal here in the first opening. Couple of minutes. And, and it’s where as we have these stories ourselves, you know, I’m sure we’re gonna bounce around in this conversation.

Is that a story that you bring into the conversation, let’s say, when talking to a client who’s considering using this or what, what levels does that come in? Whether or not I share my personal story. Yeah. Oh, I do. Good. Yeah. And I have been, we have something here in Ontario, Canada called Mo Mondays. It stands for Motivational Monday.

Yeah. And I, I was one of the guest presenters at the two year mark of, uh, and I don’t say I’m in recovery. I say I’m living in alcohol free life, right? And I did a presentation publicly and it was video recorded. So I, I don’t have any problems sharing my story when it’s appropriate. Um, when a client calls in or if I’m speaking to a group of people, it, you have to read the, read the room or read the client and know whether or not it is app is, is appropriate and beneficial to them.

Right. Right. Well, I think it’s one of those biggest things that, and unfortunately one element of that story is one that I’ve heard way too many times over the years as to, here’s a client that I worked with, and it’s not to put down any organization. It’s to put down the one person who casted a judgment on an organization where even this client was seeing me for a public speaking.

And he goes, Yeah, I did hypnosis before. It worked really well. It just kind of ended awkwardly. I’m like, What do you mean by that? He goes, Well, you know, I kind of in conversation talked about the other issues the other hypnotists would work on, and I mentioned that, Oh yeah, I quit drinking with AA and then this other person went off and how horrible of a model that is.

And he goes, And I’m standing there 12 years sober. Clearly a success out of the story. And what benefit would it be to put it down to. I go back to a moment where I get a phone call from a psychiatrist, so counselor who also gives medication, and he begins the conversation with, I’ve got someone who smokes three packs of cigarettes a day and like it is the ultimate case of obsessive compulsive disorder.

This man is why he’s seeing me, and he does wanna change the behavior. He doesn’t want to quit smoking. But he definitely wants to cut back. Can you help with that? I’m like, Well, I help to amplify what people want, so have him call me and I, I am ashamed of this story that the number of people he had called who told him, No, no, no, you’re either quitting or you’re not gonna be successful.

To which he said, Even I can acknowledge that three packs of cigarettes a day is excessive. I think I’d be happy with just three. You know, one after lunch. One before dinner and one after which, um, Is that the healthiest thing he could do? No, of course not. Is it definitely better than all 60? Yes. Did I play with him?

Of course I did. , you know what Robert? I don’t know when you’re just gonna get bored with those three cigarettes and stop on your own, but that’s entirely your decision. I’m not here to tell you what to do. And like three months go by, he calls up. You know what Jason? I kind of just got bored with it and decided to use the exact phrasing.

I love that. Had some things, but yeah. Help people get what they want. What would you say was that turning point for you in, in that journey as to, you know, what, if I can do step one, might as well knock the whole thing out. Like what, what do you feel was behind that from your perspective? I betcha he was hypnotizing us in class.

I swear to you, , I open hypnosis. I have gone back to. That day when I made that decision, and I, I on, I, I can’t tell you what it was. Mm-hmm. , um, to go to zero. It was just a knowing. It was just a, knowing what you said is important to me about, you know, other treatments like. And putting down other treatments.

Somebody said to me at, at the one year anniversary of living an alcohol free life, and they said, Well, you know, just imagine if you had done this 20 years ago, you wouldn’t have wasted 20 years of your life. And I thought, what a put down. Wow. Um, my response was that maybe I needed the 20 years of therapy and counseling and grief, grief work and group work and self-help reading.

Maybe I needed those 20 years to get to where I was in order to be receptive for hypnosis. And I find the same thing with with people that come to me and they say, You know, I’ve tried everything. I’ve done this, I’ve done that. And then they’ll say after three or four sessions, they’ll say, Gosh, I wish I’d done that before.

And I say, Yeah, but all of that contributes to who you are, Well, who you were when you came for hypnosis and who you are. So let’s just stick with where you are today and embrace and celebrate the achievement that you. It’s that nuance that it’s been giving you something. Yeah. And let’s find a better way to satisfy it.

I’m flashing back to even before I formally got into hypnosis, there were a few rapid change, uh, phenomenon moments that I had working in professional theater. Where I, uh, let the actress could have been an actor, but in the story, it was an actress. I let her just yell at me for five minutes about how dusty the backstage area was, and that’s why I’m sick all the time.

That’s why I’m sick. It’s only when I come here I get sick and I’m just waiting for the window to swoop in and go. You spoke two packs a day, right? ? Oh no. What about sawdust? And like years later she sees something of mine, an ad pop up, and she’s. . That makes sense. You got into hypnosis . It’s like, why she, I quit the next morning.

Like, whoa, sweet, cool , which, you know, I, I invited you on because you, you kind of dance between two worlds. That one world is that of the hypnosis. Why. I know you also do coaching. Let’s stay on this for a moment. At what point did the coaching kind of show up inside of. Okay, so I have been self-employed since 1988.

Yeah, I was 21 years old. I had, I had, um, or 23, um, I think, yeah, I was 23. I’ve been on my own since 17. I moved out from the nuclear family at 17, been on my own working. I married at 20, went to Toronto, Ontario, did the c. Stuff. Legal secretary, medical secretary, accounting, executive support person, like I did the corporate.

We wanted to buy a house. We came back to London, Ontario, where houses were affordable and. I started a full-time business, which was a word processing center near the university. I had four typists. Um, this was before computers and laptops were common at home, and we just typed essays and the faster we could type, the more money we made.

And we were doing six figures in one year. I had paid off a student loan that was. Supported by the government, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I got bored of typing and I got into life coaching for job search. Because what happened was there was, um, some, some economic hard times at that point. Students, it was really interesting.

Students were. Spending the money, having their essays typed within 12 hours of having to hand it in and they’d rather go out drinking and partying and their parents were funding this, then all of a sudden the parents weren’t funding it and saying, You gotta go out and get a job. So that’s where I got into life coaching and it was more for a career, so, So get a job.

And so I’ve been doing that for a long time and then I don’t even know when, now, 20 years ago. I found out about a coaching program and it was being delivered in person in Toronto, Ontario. And I thought, Well, that, that looks interesting. I wanna take that. I took it and I found, Oh my goodness, I’ve been doing this already for so many years, but now I have a framework.

Now I have processes. Now I have better language, and so I’ve been career. Like it, you know, since I guess 19 89, 19 90, and then it was 2017 that I got into hypnosis and it was really the blend. It, it really is the blend of the two that, that works for me. The pre-talk, right? The pre-talk in a hypnosis session, a lot of that is coaching language, um, and the post discussion after the hypnosis component.

A lot of that is, The follow up. A lot of that is coaching. Well, it it’s that, you know, the parts of it that, you know, sometimes people would get into a dialogue of, okay, now the eyes are closed. Now the hypnosis begins. And no, the intake is not the long chat. You have to further convince each other how impossible this thing is going to be.

Oh dear. That sounds rough. Close your eyes. Let’s see if we could sort it out. It, it’s instead by bringing in, whether it’s coaching, whether it’s another modality, whether it’s, um, Everything is hypnosis and NLP at the same time. There doesn’t need to be much of a delineation of the two. It’s where we’re always working towards the intention of the goal.

So like how do you, how do you make that decision as to, let’s say, let’s go with the formality of hypnosis. How do you make that decision in terms of what gets addressed prior to the formal process of hypnosis versus what do you then reserve for the actual session part? The client, the client comes to me and tells me what they wanna work.

I don’t actively promote coaching, I actively promote hypnosis. Yeah. So I just, I just fill it in with the coaching. That’s where I’m gone. The hypnosis is, so, I wanna say instant and only hypnotist will really understand, me in that. It’s, it’s so much more instant. Mm-hmm. and the coaching supports it so, I’m doing more hypnosis than I’m doing coaching.

Yeah. And the and the pre-talk and the, the intake and the pre-talk. It’s hypnosis, it’s hypnotic language, but there’s coaching blended in for me anyways. Yeah. Or you’ve been around me enough. The, the joy of using the frame of, Hey, before we get started. Meanwhile, we’re already doing everything. Yeah. Great.

and I love your phrase. And with doing this help you with. I’ve, I’ve so incorporated it and they get the Yes, I get the yes. And we go, Okay, let’s go into hypnosis now. Oh, I don’t think I’ve, I, let’s teach for two minutes here. Uh, and, and this is something that actually I learned from the late great Michael Elner, who, as he put it, give the clients a menu.

If you get confused. On the section of the day, we can do this or we can do that. You know what you’re going through better than I do. Which one do you think would be better for you? And I believe he actually said he ended up doing both. Cuz why not? Yeah. Yeah. But the client was in control at that point.

Yeah. You, you mentioned pre-talk. I’m a firm believer that you can do a pre-talk for every single session. And it’s not that you’re going to then do the standard. This is not what’s gonna happen. That’s not what’s gonna happen. I. Hey, based on what you talked to me about, we’re gonna do X, we’re gonna do Y so that you can Z.

Make sense? Yeah. And we’re selling it to the conscious mind first. And as soon as I’m getting that ratification, I get to go into the session with someone who’s already been sold on the concept this is gonna help them. And it kind of ignites that imagination was like, Oh, this is the party talked about.

Yeah. You know, and there’s variations of this for every technique. You ever get that feeling where like part of you wants this and part of you wants. Yeah, well we’re gonna do something day so that rather than these two opposing forces, we can join these two parts together as one that are working towards your common goal.

Makes sense? Oh yeah. It’s like good. We’re doing parts . You ever find yourself and that if I knew then what I know now pattern. Yeah. Well, today, while we can’t achieve time travel, we’re gonna do something that it’s as if we can take your knowledge as you have today, back to yourself before you learn that.

Makes sense, and they’re smiling and nodding as you are right now. And I’ve just now sold regression to that person. Yep. . And again, I’m going into the session with a person already certain that’s gonna help them because they’ve already agreed to it. Hey, let’s make that whole ation, You get the client what they want.

Right. When all else fails, ask. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So from the career though of the, the word processing, I, I have to imagine that. Correct me on this. If that just turned out to be more of a technical type thing at the, at the, uh, span of that, did that kind of bring to mind maybe a greater specificity of language, a greater intention of communication?

I know we’ll come around to the fact that you also do editing for people’s books, and I’m curious to hear how this maybe has impacted the hypnosis and the. Okay, so yeah, the word processing was just technical. You’ve gotta imagine it’s, it’s student essays. I mean, what, what are you gonna learn from a student essay?

And you’re, you’re, you’re typing the same essay over and over and over again because it’s all the same students taking all the same courses where I learned language. Was ever the moment of typing one out and going, Oh, they’re not gonna get a GRI on this one. Yeah, Yeah. We, Oh, we knew who was going to get a good grade and who was plagiarizing as well.

Oh, wow. And who had, And who had bought an essay. Right. Where I first learned language was when I was a legal secretary. Mm-hmm. . And I was one of two legal secretaries for a senior partner at a very major law firm that actually still exists. And, um, I learned a lot of language there in the documents that, that I had to prepare.

And in those days, the lawyers would dictate into a machine and we would put on headphones and we, it was called dicta typing. And we would listen. To them and we would type it. And um, so I think that was really my introduction from a business perspective on language. So the word processing was really just more technical.

And then the language evolved in terms of how do I, when I was doing the career coaching and, and I was writing the resumes based on a one hour interview with someone, So tell me about your life. Tell me about where your achievements and skills are. And then I would write the darn thing. And so I had to learn language, and that was my introduction to copywriting.

Mm. and the editing piece was, we always had a step where one of the other gals in the group, and sometimes it was me, had to proofread somebody’s typed up. Project for a client. So that’s probably where some of the editing came in. So I have been editing, I think the very first book that I edited was back in 1991, and then that author asked me to help get him on the New York Times best Seller list.

So then I was involved in the phone calling and the emails and stuff and promoting it, the PR side and, and he got on a, a best sellers list. I don’t remember if it was New York Times, but he did get on a best sellers. So that’s where the, the editing came in was way, way, way, way back. The other thing that that happened is I have a sibling who, um, has a acquired brain injury as a result of a failed suicide attempt, and this was about seven years ago, and she’s mostly back to.

More of herself. Um, I hesitate how I say that because some days are better than other days. She is working and she is carrying on in life and she’s, she’s doing okay, but with her acquired brain injury, as a result, language became super important. You know, I could say something to her and she wouldn’t understand some of the words or the context, and so as she recovered, I had to become more clear with.

Speaking with her, or even texting, and that plays a huge role in the words I used in hypnosis. Mm-hmm. , you know, what, what does the client, or what does the subconscious actually hear in that phrase, or what could be assumed that I don’t want them to assume in the way I’ve said that. Yeah. And I, I’d imagine, you know, we, we all have that moment of the clients in front of us.

and it’s clear that for the most part they, they talk about what they don’t want more so than they talk about what they do want. Uh, are there any nuances you have to that, um, just your own style of kind of having that conversation of shifting that dialogue? So, so one, the goal is now defined, but also two, you know, where to help guide them and not just basically, you know, something you said beautifully a little while ago.

Well, we don’t have to put down the past, you. Something I say is that’s already happened. That’s the best part of it. And we can use that as every reason because we move forward or every reason because we still live back there. Is there, is there perhaps a story that comes to mind of working with a client that just simply shifting some of that language around the issue got a big chunk of that change in motion?

Hmm. Give me an hour to think about that. , it’s, it’s really about teaching the client to. And like nine times outta 10. So I do a 20 minute free consult. This is what we do in Canada. That one, that method works. , instead of just sign up for a hypnosis session. I, I have tried it. That doesn’t seem to work for me, and I’ve, I’ve tried it for a number of years, but, and I tell people not to do the sign up here because they don’t yet know what they’re being asked to buy, and that’s why there’s better

Yeah. And. You know, I’ve tried the video on, on my website as well, and, and I’ve pla take, put it up for weeks and then taken it down and tested it back and forth and, and it, it’s the Zoom conversation or the phone conversation, the 20 minute consult, but it’s the reframing that I tend to do nine times outta 10 with someone.

And they’re always talking about, Well, I don’t want this anymore. I don’t want that anymore. And it’s like, Okay, but what do you want? And, and just asking that, what do you want doesn’t work. It’s, it’s about, imagine, you know, it, it’s that future pace. It’s that, look, look into the future a year from now, or even a six months from now.

Or like, where do you wanna. What do you wanna be doing? What do you wanna be feeling? And to chunk down, I think is the formal language. Um, and doing that in the 20 minute consult to really have them get a grasp of what it is they want and. And I use vision boarding sometimes before I even work with a client, before they come to first session, I’ll ask them, create a vision board of where do you, where do you see yourself in six months or a year?

It depends on the, on the conversation. How far, how far I go, or I’ll wait until after. I mean, the vision boarding is a coaching technique, right? Right. Yeah. Or I’ll wait till the end of first session and I’ll say, so, um, I’ll ask them what, what was, what was an aha for you during. And they’ll come up with something and I’ll say, Okay, do a vision board around that.

And then we have our second session about anywhere from 10 to 14 days later, and they bring their vision board. So that does remind me of a story of, um, a client, a young, a young gal. We get into the first SEC session and doesn’t she go into a fetal position, 21 years old into a fetal position in the. And I’m shaking in my boots, but I’m projecting confidence because this is what we need to do.

At the end of the first session, she had said whatever her, aha. And I’m looking over here at my own vision board right now, see if it will remind me what her aha was, but it doesn’t matter. I said, You know what? Don’t you go ahead and do a vision board. Do you know what one of those is? And she, she was a creative type and she came back with this amazing vision board 10 days later for a second session.

She didn’t curl up in a fetal position second session. So did it do something? I don’t know. I think so. I have to say I’ve not heard of someone using that. You know, there are people who will do that as his own little standalone thing, and to use it exactly as you said, as a coaching mechanism. Inside of the process, and it’s where I go back to, I think it’s in, This is a great title for a book, Napoleon Hills, Outwitting the Devil, and there’s a whole thing, and I think it’s in that book about either writing your own eulogy or writing the letter to yourself many years later.

And anything we can do to start to change that, that dialogue, which the vision boarding is one such example. And. Really cool way of bringing someone into the process and also having something to, to measure off of. And again, all of a sudden we’ve got the content for the next session. Well, what about that’s important to you.

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. You know, um, Jason, what, what you just reminded me of was when I was taking the coaches training years before and. This was a pivotal moment. You know, we talk about what are the 10 defining moments in your life. Mm-hmm. , and this was not a defining mo moment, but but a pivotal moment. It was a very active, interactive training.

It was always three and four day weekends in Toronto. And one of the sessions was visualization future self. And it was absolutely brilliant. And the assignment for that night when we got back to our hotel rooms was create a vision. Of your future self experience, and I still have that vision board somewhere, so, you know, we future pace in, in a hypnosis session.

So it it, they just work so beautifully together and I ask my clients to post their vision board somewhere where it’s visible, whether it’s in your washroom or where you put your makeup on or on your fridge. The, the front of your fridge. Put not on your computer laptop. Like put it somewhere where you’re going to see it.

I’m now laughing because, um, not quite exactly vision board, but an image that resonated with me. I’ve like made now the, uh, background screen of my phone, , where someone made a drawing all about, here’s the internal force that holds you back. Here’s the internal force that moves you forward. Here’s how that correlates to the external force in different directions.

I’m like, Oh. Just this little memory hook. Just this little, Well, let’s use our lingo here. Just that anchor that reminds me. Oh yeah. That’s why this project is moving forward right now. Um, you reminded me of something before we started recording that I forgot about, which was that we met over a haiku. We did and I, and I couldn’t find it.

So you posted in your Facebook group how, how you mar was it a marketing question? Well, I’ll, I’ll set the stage for it, which was that I am somebody who, you know, Will not settle for where things are right now. I’m always looking at improving what I’m doing, which I can always draw a straight line. Here’s the amount of money I’ve reinvested in terms of my own personal development and business knowledge, and the higher that number goes.

And no, it’s not just a coincidence, no. But the higher that goes, the higher everything else goes. And you know, it’s the willingness to learn from people doing bigger. And the setup for this is kind of worthwhile. Um, What’s the, uh, friendly language? I bought this absolute piece of garbage training, . It was all about better social media interaction, and I, I kid you not, it was just post on Facebook asking, What should I watch on Netflix?

The people who leave comments below, send them your sales page link. I’m like, Are you kidding? And, um, normally I can find something of value in someone else’s program. I got a refund and it, it somehow spurred this thought of, let me go into this group that I already have and just, Hey, let us know what’s working with your business right now.

The more we’re all successful, the more we’re all successful and, uh, credit to actually in some way. Um, on the Hypnotic Language Hacks podcast, Michael Kent had done something similar, but I took it in a slightly different direction. Let us know what’s working with your business. We’re all gonna thrive as we’re all out there serving more clients.

Please note answers not in the form of a haiku will be. Oh, right. Yes. And I think you were one of the first ones who actually did the proper hku structure of 5 75 by people. And you gave me your heart and I was, I was so impressed with myself because in grade four I had an English teacher who failed me on something because they said I’d plagiarize and I didn’t.

I just followed the process you taught. So I got it right. And here you gave me at heart and it released all. That crap from my history. And then, And then you said you should write a book with Richard . You had commented something about writing and I then responded with another haiku, cuz that’s Yeah.

Proper form my people, uh, about Richard’s write a book class. Yeah. And that’s where that connection form, which you’ve now done a lot of editing for people in that community. Oh, I love it. So I used to just edit here in Canada and more locally than anything. And then I got into Richard’s class in July, 2020.

I’ve been in every one of his classes since he, it’s his 12 week book class. The next one starts April 3rd, I think. And um, it took my editing work globally. Mm-hmm. . And so my strength is non-fiction and working. Obviously hypnotists and hypnotherapist who were writing books, but also therapists and counselors.

And that’s another background I have when our word processing center was in a building with filled with therapists and I did a lot of work for them. So there’s language again, right? When we talk about how do you choose the language and, and how is that important? Yeah. So I just, my editing went global.

Yeah. What what’s cool about that is yes, of course haiku are always the thing that bring people together. We’ve established that it, it’s also that, you know, as there’s so many opportunities that are out there, you know, even in terms of client interactions. You know, the other day we had a class and someone just simply mention something at a, like a neighborhood HOA meeting, and she’s like, Is this a thing?

I got like 10 clients. And it’s about finding where people already gather. And I can see, I can see you on camera right now. We just released the, uh, audio of this, uh, program. Uh, tell us about the, the books or I believe books that you’ve written now. Oh, the books that I’ve written now. So my first book was published in 2015, well long before Richard’s class.

And it. Surviving and thriving past wrongful dismissal. And it was, it, it has my story flowing through it from a corporate gig 12, 10 years earlier. So that was 2015. So then we jumped to 2020 and I started with a, a book in mind about anxiety getting, getting past and releasing anxiety in the workplace, and it was going to be very hypnosis focus.

Anyways, I got to, so I started in July. I got to October. It’s 85% done. I have a huge binder. It’s down there on the shelf, and I’m thinking, I’m not ready to publish this. Like, this isn’t my book. And I, I did some self hypnosis and some deep breathing and some, some pray. And the next day I, I, I was looking for answers.

You know how some of us look in the universe for answers? And I thought, you know, I’m, I’m a bold spirit. I could figure this. And bold spirit wouldn’t leave me alone the phrase. So a day or two later, the book concept came bold. Spirit caring for the dying. So I am also trained as an end of life doula, and for three years I have been focused on promoting hypnosis in the end of life.

Area focused on promoting it. Anyway, so I, I pulled the book together and it has 10 other co-authors in the book. And, um, so we started that in November. It was published in May of 2021, so that was the first book with Richard. And then I, I published a couple other books, more editing related, and I created a card deck called Get My Book Done Now writing prompts and activities.

I’m still having a hard time getting an account Amazon seller account up, but because I was having a problem with that and nothing’s gonna stand in my way, I wrote a book, get my book done now, and it promotes the card deck at the back. But in November of this past year, I, I reached out to see if any other end of life doulas and practitioners in the end of life world, not just not hypnotist.

I think I’m the only one. There’s only like three of us in Canada. I know two in the US that after this recording I’d love to connect you all. Uh, cuz that’s fantastic. Such a very specific thing that it is, uh, just like hypnotist and it needs to be more of that. And I took the training from Roger Moore and Kelly Woods.

Oh nice. And it was absolutely fabulous. Well, that’s a whole other podcast story because that picking niches. Okay, everyone catch the future pacing that TA Linda just did there of inviting herself back onto the program , the artful nature of exactly. Just that’s, that’s how you do it. That’s how you do it,

Okay. So, so thank you. I would, I would be happy to be on another podcast with you, Jason. Well, that’s a great idea now, isn’t it, ? I, I’d say, you know, I was really excited to have you on here and admittedly, we’ve gone for a couple of months purposefully doing just a number of. Solo episodes and as it was time to go back into the cycle.

Um, I always crack the joke at this, that, uh, I listened to a podcast only like three months ago and someone’s like, Hey, we’re back from our break. Here we go with season number three. And I was the one going, That’s an option. We’ve just kind of done every Thursday forever, uh, . So we took a seasonal break from the interviews, really conversations to do more solo episodes, and you were at the top of my list of people I wanted to have on here.

Uh, so thanks for coming on and sharing not only your personal story, but also this sort of, i, I wanna say gentle care around the specificity of language. And how even your specific reframe that it’s not that I’m recovering from this, it’s that I’m now free of this. Yeah. And, and there’s so many versions of that that are already inside of our clients.

And just to simply open up those ears and listen is what really gives them their specific, let’s say, uh, you know, unique mechanism of change. That makes it organic to them. And what better way to, uh, do that than with hypnosis, Uh, other than the books which we’re gonna link to in the show notes, which stand by as I, uh, say rather important things while I’m actually clicking a bunch of things on my other screen because I usually know the number cuz this is very clearly episode number 368 after a while.

Wow. Yeah. All my favorite number. Nice. So if you go to work smart hypnosis.com/. 360 8, we’ll be sure to link to your books. Uh, where else can people find you online? How do they get in contact with you? Well, thank you for the links to the books and yes, people can find me in two places. Tama linda lux.com and StepStone hypnosis.com.

Oh, that’s a great name. Thank. Okay. Story time. How’d you come up with that? . , my aunt and my uncle. So I was visiting and I said, I’m going to open hypnosis. This is what it is. This is what I wanna do. This is where I wanna do it. This is how I wanna do it now. I need a good name. And she’s brilliant. And she’s an author.

She’s a retired biochemist, and she works in the field of beer of all things. So we were, we were playing around and she said, How about, how about stepping stones? Like you’re stepping, stepping across the stream or something. And we decided stepping stones was too long, so we decided StepStone hypnosis, because what do you have to do?

You have to take one step first. And clearly also by moving it into the more directed version of the verb and not the jarin phrase with the I n G, you’ve now turned it into an embedded command and you’re setting people up for even greater success. Obviously I know right? , and IT letters, which is always good for, uh, business Carter and people’s heads.

Uh, before we wrap this up, thank you again for sharing what you’ve shared. We’ll put everything in the show notes over there. Any final thoughts for the listeners out. Yes. So I know we talked a lot about language and so let me say it this way, this, this is important language that helps me in moving forward in my business and my life is release what doesn’t work and embrace what does work.

Know what you want and what you don’t in life and. And do it. Jason, Lynette here once again, and as always, thank you so much for interacting with this program, for reaching out to our incredible guest and of course sharing this episode in amongst all of your hypnotic circles. Once again, you can go to the show [email protected] slash 360 8 to get links to Ta Melinda, who actually we, uh, started talking about something else that she goes, Oh, we didn’t talk about this.

So, uh, she’s still here. I’ll let her do the outro. Oh, yeah. I, I get so excited about your book, The Work Smart Business book, and it was, it’s been one of the absolute best investments. And if you could see me on video, you would see how everything’s dog eared and there’s Post-it notes, it’s Work Smart Business, and it’s available on Amazon.

Oh, you’re, Thanks. You’re awesome. Thanks for listening to the Work Smart Hypnosis podcast and work smart hypnosis.com.