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This is the Work Smart Hypnosis podcast, session number 439. Carlos Casados on Sacred Transformations. Welcome to the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast with Jason Linett, your professional resource for hypnosis training and outstanding business success. Here’s your host, Jason Linett. We now join this conversation with Carlos Casados, already in progress. However, in a couple of moments we will which first of all, if you are diving into this episode first, pause here and go back to the previous episode, session number 438.
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Because we have only done this a few times over the years of putting out this program, this is actually a two part episode that in the middle of the conversation, last week’s session on memory reconsolidation coaching, in the middle of that dialogue, Carlos did this amazing job of just dropping a massive bomb right in the middle of it, to which immediately I realized, okay, we’re not going to wrap up at about the typical 35 minute conversation.
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We’re going to go longer and this is going to become two parts because the topic of psychedelics and their role within personal change and therapeutic transformation came up and I knew that we had to dive into this topic in its entirety, whether it’s where it fits into the model, some of the history behind it, of course, the legalities and the awareness as to what it might be a fit for and what it perhaps might not be a fit for, and even so, how it becomes an extension of the conversation as to the process of generative change, to which I was going to say this is one of those topics on the cutting edge. Yet really, this is a dialogue that’s been around for hundreds, if not thousands of years.
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And just as society kind of catches up and, you know, perceptions begin to change, it’s clearly becoming much more widespread and much more accepted along the way. Plus, if you want to Google it, there’s a very subtle jab that we drop in the middle of this conversation, specifically around nylon, which just do a Google search yourself online. You’ll find the history as to why hemp was sort of put out there as this horrible thing. Oh, you don’t want that. Because someone else was trying to produce nylon as this product that was going to be much more profitable and easier to produce man made yay chemicals. Google it yourself. I’ll just leave it at that.
02:32
So this dialogue though, of generative change, how is it that we don’t just help someone to change just on the level of habits and behaviors, but truly on that form of identity? And I’ll tell you my favorite part of this conversation is a topic that we get on toward the end, which would be the. Yeah, but to this entire conversation around the psychedelics, which would be that could you also suggest that possible kind of a transformation without the substance. And you’re gonna find some really interesting takeaways from that conversation. So again, if you’re listening to this episode first, stop it, go back, listen to last week’s episode session number 438, the one that began with Carlos on memory reconsolidation coaching. Listen up till there, then come back here and then continue listening for the part two of this conversation.
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As of the time this episode should releasing, I believe it actually might be the day that Carlos is kicking off with his six week live and online training and certification event, specifically on memory reconsolidation coaching, his approach to timeline hypnotherapy change, which you can find all the details over at www.carlostimeline.com if we get clever, we might try to Release this Part 2 episode maybe a few days early to give some of you a little bit of a running start. Though I do know that having looked at the agenda that Carlos is putting together for his event, if you’re able to be there for class number one, awesome. If timing’s not a fit and you’re hearing this too soon and you’re only able to dive in starting with class number two, I know he’s going to be making the replays available.
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You’ll be easily able to catch up on your own and dive in with the rest of the crew going through this event with the training, with the practice sessions, with the hands on interaction in this live and online format. So once again you can check out the details of his upcoming event by heading over to carlostimeline.com that’ll actually just redirect over to his hypnotherapy breakthrough site, specifically the page for this upcoming event, which personally I’m going to be there for. And I’m excited to learn what he’s got to share and make use of his principles in my work too. So join us over at www.carlostimeline.com and with that let’s dive directly in.
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This is session number 439, Carlos Casados on sacred transformations, which I mean the dialogue around specific language and not just the memory itself, but the perception of the memory itself which you somehow got in my head like 30 minutes ago off of Fruit Stripe gum. And maybe we’ll work with that after we’re done recording here. At what place does the work of let’s say Sitting down with the client and actually facilitating the change. Then in your approach, when and where does the sacred healing, does the psychedelic part come into that or is that a full different category?
05:41
Yeah, great question. It’s both a different category and there’s some overlap here, and I kind of wanted to talk about that. So the method of working with your timeline and doing memory reconsolidation, it’s not really limited to timeline work specifically. Like there are psychologists and coaches that work with adjusting memories. And when I have worked with psychedelics of various forms, one of the drills that I like to do is to go back in time and relive an experience differently. So I’m teaching my nervous system how to connect with a reality that was formerly beyond my reach. But now that I do this exercise, it’s no longer beyond my reach. And now the thing that’s connected to those series of memories becomes easier. So, for example, I had a phobic or traumatic association with doing math. Okay, this is probably not unheard of.
06:50
I’m sure many of your listeners can identify with not being math athletic. You know, they feel. They feel like they just don’t do math. Their brain doesn’t work that way. Usually, as you know, there’s some kind of traumatic memory associated with, you know, failing or getting screamed at by their math teacher like me. And so in my case, for example, I went up to ninth grade and I was doing really good. Like, I always got A’s in math and. And I did. I would get like an A in the first half of the algebra class, and then in the second half I would get like a D or an F. And I did this twice. And I had a teacher who was a screamer and well, you know, I’m just going to do a little personal share here.
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My home at life or my life at home was somewhat like that. I mean, it was tumultuous. There was a lot of yelling and screaming. And to me, it just really triggered me when I was in that class. So a while back, I did a psychedelic journey and I asked to heal some memories. And one of the things I did is I was brought back to the classroom with this screaming teacher, mind you, ever since then, I decided that I wasn’t good at math and I couldn’t be good at math. But when I re experienced this memory under psychedelics, I was able to suddenly de trigger myself. I was able to see my teacher as a suffering human being and have compassion for him and really forgive him.
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And when I emerged from that experience, it was as if I had gone back in time and rewritten the experience. So I woke up with this feeling of I may not be instantaneously good at math. Now I just feel like I could be and there’s nothing holding me back. If I want to go on a YouTube tutorial, deep dive and study math, I feel nothing’s holding me back. I don’t have any emotion around the idea that I have to be bad at math or that I can’t be good. I have none of that stuff anymore.
09:07
Well, you just hit on something there that we’ll both either gather more fans as a result of the conversation we’re about to have, or we might get some red X’s on our faces, which is that the hypnotic change work process can create some incredibly magical transformations and not. But. And there are places where there’s a much more direct, if not obvious, logical through line in terms of how to create the change. So the person goes, can hypnosis help me to learn a language better? To which. Okay, well, yeah. In terms of increasing memory retention, increasing focus. I’d also point out that it’s hard to remember something you haven’t ever properly learned in the first place. But then also, what’s that?
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Comfortability as well.
09:56
Yeah, comfortability. Getting rid of those stories. Getting rid of. On the business consulting side of my world, there’s maybe 25% the issue of having to clarify. No, the issue is not that you’re not a computer person. It’s that your marketing headlines suck and your audience can’t figure out what the hell you’re actually selling. And stop blaming Facebook for that. Mark Zuckerberg is shadow banning me. No, you’re not speaking in a way that actually stops people in their tracks. So how the hell we get there? No, so it’s where there’s this working on the things that can be addressed, working on the things that prevent the growth, the things that stand in the way of. And that’s where we can gather some extremely significant traction.
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Where, you know, I would look at that example and say that simply throwing positive suggestion at the person with that story, they could see a positive result as a result of receiving that. Though at the same time, now there’s no longer that underlying thing that the mind’s got a really good reason to not believe it.
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Yeah.
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There’s something more tactical and tangible to grab onto.
11:08
For sure. For sure. And I think in the previous section, were talking about or briefly mentioned generative versus remedial. And just for anyone who’s not entirely clued into what that means. Remedial kinds of changes that a coach works with are things that are like a remedy. I mean, it’s like putting a band or maybe cleaning the cut and addressing it. It’s very direct like that. So issue specific problems, for example, require remedial work, remedial changes, remedial techniques. But then there’s the other side of that, the flip side of that coin, which is the whole generative side. And to explain that, I would say it’s. There’s an aspect of your psyche, your consciousness, that is generating most of your experiences from the level of being right, rather than doing so.
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There is doing that’s involved, but the being, like who you are dictates what you do. And therefore if you identify as a healer, for example, you’ll tend to do healing types of things. And it’s the same if you identify as a person who’s bad at math. You will avoid any opportunity to get better at it and you’ll adopt the behaviors associated with it. So a generative change is connected with the part of you that is generating your experience, the adaptive, creative sides of your consciousness. And so when you’re doing generative work, you’re actually tapping the person into a more open ended, abstract level of perception that can shift the way they’re being. And it happens at such a deep level that they start doing things differently. Does that make sense?
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It does. It’s the fact that the identity as to who they are, they’re now the person who does those things versus again, the I’m not the one who can do that, who am I? And that perception of it, which, you know, we started this dialogue in terms of timeline, in terms of memory reconsolidation, when the person is reaching out and the journey involving psychedelics may be involved. Let’s pause there for a moment. What things are included when we’re talking in the category of the psychedelics, like what are the substances? What are the topics that are included inside of this?
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Sure, absolutely. I’ll get to that in just a moment. I just wanted to say that psychedelics leans a lot more heavily into the generative side. Just saying it’s a lot more to do with who you are and who you’re being and discovering and maybe even expanding beyond your normal boundaries of what you think you are and opening up to the bigger picture. So the vision, the purpose, the meaning, you start to connect, especially at a certain dosage level. You start to get beyond the sort of immediate ego and you expand into that greater ego of connecting to everyone else and everything else.
14:20
So specific substances that can be a variety of things, from cannabis and cacao at the more easy to work with side of it, to psilocybin mushrooms, of which there are over 200 varieties to work with, LSD 25, which is a chemical that’s been around for quite some time now, probably 50, 60 years, and mescaline, or huachuma, which is a South American cactus that contains mescaline in it. So there are a variety of what we call tryptamines and phenothylamines, which are these classes of chemicals that are psychedelic. And they’re very similar. They kind of overlap in the way they work somewhat, but they achieve them through slightly different chemical means. All of these substances have a very high safety profile. So I just wanted to say that compared with pharmaceuticals, there’s just no question there’s a huge difference in safety. The psychedelics are very safe.
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And there’s almost no examples of anyone ever having any kind of physical problem with them. It’s very rare. So I work with the substances that are appropriate for the person. Now, each of them has like a different duration. They might be slightly different in the way they act in the body biochemically and the duration, I mean the length of time that you feel under the influence. But almost all of them, they kind of overlap as long as you realize that some chemicals are slightly more concentrated than others, and so you would need less of it to get the same effect. But you can mimic the effect of other substances simply by raising the dose. So, like people who do ayahuasca, for example, I’m one of the 5% of the human race that doesn’t digest ayahuasca and it doesn’t become psychedelic.
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For me, there’s no visionary thing that happens when I take it. But other DMT containing substances do work. Mushrooms, for example, they break down. They go from psilocybin, kind of breaks down into something called psilocin, and psilocin breaks down into a form of DMT in the brain. So the experience for me is very intense. And I’ve had people who worked with ayahuasca come to a session with me and we did a sit where we dove deeply into the mushrooms and they flat out told me this was as powerful, as visionary, as incredible and meaningful as any of the ayahuasca trips that they went on. So it’s not so much the substance, it’s more to do with who you’re doing it with. How you’re doing it.
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In other words, what’s the container you’ve created, whether through a ceremony or through getting clear on your intentions and the dosage?
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Well, I’d ask you a bigger question here, which is that these are categories that are by no means new. They’ve been around for quite some time, but there’s this sort of renaissance that’s occurring where people are now becoming more aware of it and more open to it. What would you say has been the shift that’s made that happen?
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Oh, you know what? Two things, really. One was the lifting of the research ban that was there for almost 50 years. They had incredible results back in the day, but the DEA kicked in and they lied. They started a whole propaganda thing to prevent even the researchers who were getting excellent results. I mean, results better than any pharmaceutical trials.
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But we got nylon.
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We got nylon out of it.
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We got nylon.
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I mean, and forever chemicals. Yay. Who doesn’t like a little microplastic in their bloodstream? But now that it’s been lifted, you know, King’s College in England, and you’ve got Johns Hopkins, and many groups of medical researchers are beginning to experiment with lsd, psilocybin, dmt, and then actual mushrooms and cannabis and ibogaine and other things. So that’s one major thing that’s changing the dialogue. And then another social manifestation that I think had a huge effect literally, was Michael Pollan’s book. Michael Pollan is a New York Times bestseller. He’s a food writer, and he wrote a book called how to Change youe Mind. And when he wrote that book, it just took off. Everybody, even people were not. Even. They didn’t know they were interested in psychedelics. They’re suddenly interested in psychedelics.
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And then, of course, the Netflix documentary that has the same name, it was based on the book. There’s seven. Seven episodes. And so many people have watched that. Oh, my God. So I think that phenomenon has opened the door to this. And now you got all sorts of, you know, psychologists interested in this and people who would otherwise not even be paying attention, and now they’re thinking about psychedelics and can I use this for myself? Can I use this with my clients? And, you know, people are going on more retreats than ever now, whether it’s out of this country and, you know, places like Peru and Colombia and Brazil and Mexico, or within the United States, the continental United States. I run retreats myself, so I know that there are a lot of places that are doing this now.
20:07
So then on the practitioner side, let’s say here’s one part of your world where you’re working with clients one to one, and it’s more of, let’s say, a traditional hypnotic NLP perspective. And then here’s this other side. What’s kind of your decision structure? What’s sort of your mapping in terms of who’s a fit for which one, other than they’re reaching out for either this or that, other than that, like, how’s your decision structure go in terms of which pathway is the right one for them?
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Right. So, you know, I’ll do my best to answer that question. I just have to say that some of this is to do with my genius. And as you know, genius is typically not well understood in the conscious sense from the genius. Like usually ask a genius, how do you do that? And the genius goes, well, I just, I don’t know, I just do it right. So I think I have some unconscious genius in this department. I do a lot of vetting with my potential clients that I do this with and potential students. I obviously go through the basics. There’s logical structure to asking, making sure a person isn’t on psychiatric medications and they don’t have high blood pressure and other issues. I mean, I’m going to go through some medical kind of red flags and clear those things out.
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But then there’s the next part, which is more to do with why are you doing this? Why are you interested in this? Do you have experiences either like this or, you know, remotely related? Like, you know, have you tried cannabis? You know, have you. What was your experience of those things? Do you have any kind of history of being interested in this or what really brought you to this? And then maybe what would you want to achieve or accomplish when you’re doing it? You know, I want to make sure that I, I don’t cultivate unrealistic expectations, but I also want to keep people’s mind open that miracles, what I would call miracles, meaning powerful transformative changes that you can’t really see how it could have happened by itself.
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Like a quantum leap in healing or a quantum leap in self perception or a quantum leap in understanding, AKA like a powerful epiphany that changes things, these things are reasonable to hope for or even maybe even expect in a lot of cases, if the session is guided properly. So I think that the door is open, okay, so the gates are open for people to come in and experience this a lot more than people realize. But it isn’t for everyone, I gotta be honest, not everyone is capable of Trusting the process or trusting that they’re going to be okay. Everyone feels a little nervous when they try a psychedelic for the first time. I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about the really intense control issues that could be life shattering for a person if they weren’t ready for it.
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However, there are people with intense control issues who intentionally went into psychedelics to help that. And they did. They discovered, wow, I really could live like this. This doesn’t have to be the rest of my life. And so these, the cool thing about psychedelics is it more than hypnosis, more than nlp, more than anything else I can possibly think of, it suppresses the default mode network of the brain. So that part of the brain that resets every time when you wake up and it remembers who you are and what your basic moods and attitudes are, that gets suppressed heavily. And so there’s an element of, for a very positive, beneficial reason. I don’t know who I am right now. Who am I? Maybe I’m more than just me. Maybe I am everyone. Maybe I am the sun. Maybe I am my spirit.
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Maybe I am this intelligent mushroom that I just ate. Right. And I don’t mean that in a silly way. I mean that in a kind of a spiritual, mystical sense that these substances open the door to mystical experiences. So if someone has maybe even an inkling of hope that there might be something greater or bigger than just them and their quaint little logical ideas, psychedelics can open the door to perceiving what is beyond all of that. And so you have to be ready for it. You have to be ready for a real breakthrough.
25:02
So the obvious question that may be on the minds of some listening in, what’s the legality?
25:08
Very good question and very important question. And it’s a question that is constantly changing.
25:13
Yeah.
25:14
So in many areas they have decriminalized, which means they’re deemphasizing the prosecution. It’s not legal, but police stations have been told to just back off and focus on fentanyl and focus on speed and cocaine. Stop troubling people for having a small amount of mushrooms and deciding to trip out at their house, you know, like that. Don’t. So the element is, for me, although there are a couple states that are making it legal, that you have to have a state license, and that’s a whole process. And then there are some religious exceptions. So for example, the Ayahuasca Church in the US received the religious exemption that the Navajo church got when they were doing Peyote. So there are conditions under which it can be legal. There are certain cities, such as Santa Cruz, California, which it’s just legal.
26:14
You could open up a session at your local yoga school if you wanted. But my process has been just to sort of understand that I need to let people know about it, but I need to let a select group know about it. Not just put it on the front page of the newspaper, but I don’t want to attract that much attention. But maybe in specific settings like hypnosis conferences and maybe psychedelic magazines and various things like that would make sense to do because it is still technically illegal and there can be some trouble with that. I do my best to make sure that I’m really clear and vet people and make sure that we keep the numbers small, that we do it in an unknown location.
27:03
I don’t let people know where it’s going to be until they’ve sort of signed everything, they’ve paid and they’re. They bought their plane tickets and they’re ready to go. I just let them, I call them the general area where it will be like, oh, come into this particular airport, you know what I mean? But then I don’t give them an address until everything’s settled. And that. That protects me. It protects them. I also asked them not to do social media posts about it until after the event. Things like that.
27:35
Putting in a double snap there for edit. Do you want that last thing about I don’t tell them where we’re going recorded.
27:45
I’ll leave it up to you. I think it’s okay either way.
27:47
Let me ask you again, let’s just do a reset of that question and just don’t go into that narrative.
27:53
Sure.
27:54
Okay. Yeah. Because I’m going to do a crop here. So the obvious question at this point, that some are going, yeah, but what about this would be the question of the legality of this, that there’s some, you know, there’s a difference of one country to another. But even as of now, a number of states are changing the opinions on this, right?
28:13
Yes, they are. There are a couple of states that are. They’ve created some state licenses. I believe Oregon and Colorado are examples of that. So, you know, I don’t do it through a licensed means, but what I do is I’m careful. I’m just careful to make sure that we’ve got the right group, that we don’t scream it out to the world that we’re doing it. And I’ve been operating from, I guess, a level of logic but also some faith in there that we’ve got sane people here, that we can go through this experience together in a trusting way. And I make sure that we do everything to keep everyone, including me, out of trouble.
28:55
There’s also this gray area now which is that, you know, there’s a difference between something being illegal versus something being decriminalized.
29:04
Right? No, that’s. That’s exactly right. The decriminalization essentially means that they’re going to deemphasize the prosecution. Typically it’s catch and release. If anything, like they might confiscate and let you go with a slap on the wrist kind of thing. It’s not anything that would be life changing or harm you, whereas in the old days you could go to prison for it. It’s a pretty serious thing. And that still is the case if you’re producing stuff. But running a retreat or just doing it with small handful of people, that’s not really going to be an issue. And to my knowledge, I don’t know of any other retreat goers that have ever gotten in any trouble. Certainly not on mine ever. But never have I heard of even other retreat leaders getting into trouble. And I think that’s because of the decriminalization aspect.
29:59
I say this in the state of Florida where basically standing in the parking lot and waving will get you a medicinal card.
30:07
We talked about the movie how to change your mind. Remember earlier, it’s like some of those were just regular old retreats. They weren’t being run by medical doctors. So if he can put that out there, a documentary about it, you know, obviously those people aren’t worried about being prosecuted for it, even though there’s video evidence that they were doing it.
30:31
Yeah. So there is there a story that comes to mind of, let’s say, someone you’ve worked with in more of a traditional coaching sense, who then on their own decided to also go this route or does that crossover not tend to happen for you?
30:45
Do you mean people going out and guiding retreats or doing it with themselves?
30:49
No, I mean in terms of your specific clients that are working with you for personal change, then elevating into the experience of these.
30:58
Yes. Yeah. A portion of my clients are actually people who were seeing me for other things. We were doing NLP coaching and hypnosis and they said, I’m really interested in doing a retreat. And we’ve done like these overnights. I will do one one sessions with some of those people. There’s like a cabin that I would go to and we would Set it up and we would do like an overnight type of thing. So that is the case that some of my clients do end up being, you know, sacred medicine work clients as well.
31:31
Although here’s the.
31:33
And vice versa, by the way.
31:34
Yeah, here’s the fun question, which we’re well over an hour at this point, so we may get fancy and splice this into a two part episode. So I might be referencing something that I’m sure. I’ll put this in the intro for part two saying, hey, go back and listen to part one if you’re coming in for part two, which is, let’s go all the way back to 16 years old. And here was this experience where you were being hypnotized and having an experience that wasn’t your own, yet experiencing it as if it was your own. I’d be curious to ask, from the sacred medicine side, from the psychedelic side, even without the use of the specific substances, has that influenced the way that you actually do the work even when those things are not present?
32:18
Oh my God, yes, absolutely. Navigating non ordinary states of consciousness is, it’s paramount. I mean, and it’s. When you’ve, when you’ve experimented with these different substances and different practices that go along with the substances, like drumming, like breathwork, like meditation or various other shamanic journeying and things like that, you just realize that you’re navigating these altered states of consciousness and you’re weaving sometimes conscious and unconscious things together and then you’re integrating those experiences as you either share it with a partner or with a co journeyer. Right. Or writing about it. So there’s so much crossover that, you know, it’s almost hard to put the finger on where that exact dividing line is. I think it’s enhanced my creativity with clients.
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I think it’s helped me to see that I can easily and effortlessly relate to different types of experiences, even the difficult experiences of the people I’m working with and at the same time navigate my way out of it. Almost like they’re co regulating, that is they’re regulating along with me as I do it. If I dive into that experience and then work myself out of that feeling subconsciously, they’re noticing that. And that is hypnotic. That has a hypnotic effect because at an unconscious level they’re registering these changes in me as I’m speaking with them and they’re starting to entrain, they’re starting to kind of dance with me on a neurological level unconsciously. And then by the time I’m using my words, of course there’s so much feeling and there’s so much conviction behind the words that it. You know, it’s like the.
34:14
Anything that assumes hypnosis is hypnosis. Right. So it becomes an overlapping kind of thing that absolutely. Psychedelic experiences have just opened the door for hypnotic realities. And it’s helped me tremendously in that process.
34:31
Yeah, yeah. Hey, before we wrap this up here, you have the event that’s coming up. It’s over at www.carlostimeline.com and that’ll just redirect over to your hypnotherapy breakthrough page where the info is over for that event. I’m looking at your agenda here, and I’d love to kind of close this out. Talking about a word that I is in the category of like, oh, this is trending right now. We need to talk about this word because it just draws people in. It’s the phrase of creating resilience. Yeah, yeah. What’s your definition? What’s your perception of resilience, really?
35:10
Simply put, it’s the ability to bounce back from difficult things, to not only reset, but to maybe even get further then where you were. So resilience, if that were the case, then how does resolving lifelong resentments and negative emotions cause you to be more resilient? Well, think about it. When you have refreshed your ability to not only let go of a previous event, but then to have a higher understanding of what could replace that negative feeling, it’s usually some kind of brilliance, genius, creativity, flexibility, something from your prefrontal cortex, that executive function part of your brain that can help you to be creative with your circumstances. To use your positive intelligence. To borrow another term I like.
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So, resilience is about retraining the brain to be more in your positive intellect, the part of you that is not only emotionally intelligent, but also focused on solutions. It’s also things like when you shift your beliefs and your identity around to reflect the side of you that can do that or the side of you that has already done that. These parts of you are more like, bring it. I got this right. As opposed to the other side that’s like, oh, my God, you know, what do I do? So resilience plays into the class because I’m going to teach people how to not only make their clients access these resilient states, but also people who are in the class are going to be doing work on themselves to become more that resilient person.
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Hey there, it’s Jason Linett, And once again, thank you so much for interacting with this program for sharing your feedback of it online, leaving your reviews as well as my favorite part of this the way that these episodes have become a part of the everyday conversation of this industry. So thanks for your support over the years. You can find more episodes like this over at www.worksmarthypnosis.com and also head over to www.carlostimeline.com that’s where you can find all the details of this upcoming event. We might try to release this week’s episode on Tuesday rather than Thursday to give some of you a running start if you want to join this upcoming event that once again he’s going to be publishing the replays.
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So if you’re only able to dive in starting with class number two, you’ll be easily able to catch up on your own by diving into the replay content. So check out the details of this upcoming Memory Reconsolidation Coaching. It’s a six week live and online certification event with Carlos Casados. Find all the details over at www.carlostimeline.com thanks for listening to the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast and worksmarthypnosis.com.
