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This is the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast, session number 87. Sean Michael Andrews on Hypnotic Lessons learned. Welcome to the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast with Jason Lynette, your professional resource for hypnosis training and outstanding business success. Here’s your host, Jason Lynette. Happy Thanksgiving everybody.
It’s Jason Lynette, and if you’re not in the United States, Happy November 24th. Still worth celebrating. You know, here in the US we are, uh, celebrating Thanksgiving Day today. I’m actually recording this a week in advance as I’m about to take a little bit of time off around the holiday to spend time with friends and family as you’re about to hear mention towards the end of this program here.
And I’d comfortably share that it’s a time where, Anytime we confine to reflect upon what our successes have been, as well as we’ll phrase it positively, what our lessons learned have become. And you’re gonna hear that as a theme as I reached out to Sean Michael Andrews to join me on this podcast session, thereby earning the title of being The first time ever that someone was a second time guest.
It took 87 recordings. To finally repeat somebody, and very proud that it’s Sean. I, I had rewind the story back that it’s many years ago, almost about 10 years ago, that I was the, I was the self-study hypnotist. I was reading all sorts of books and. Purchasing all sorts of DVD courses and audio programs, and I was working a full time job at the time and recognizing that I needed a little bit more structure and it’s the, it’s the benefit of locality that I reached out to whoever was the closest to me, and it turned out to be the wonderful benefit that I got to train with one of the best people that’s out there as it was only a 10.
Trip down the road to train at the Glen Burnie Hampton and to be there with Sean for a series of days for the certification class. Over the years, becoming friends, becoming peers with each other. And it’s why I’m so excited the two of us, uh, are doing a class together coming up in Las Vegas, March 13th to March 18th.
That’s a Monday to Saturday recalling it, The master hypnotist course. It’s an opportunity to be trained and certified as a master hypnotist, and for those that are also seeking certification with the National Guild of Hypnotist. You can also get that NGA certification through that training as well.
Check that out online. Master hypnotist course.com. If you haven’t been there, you really gotta watch the videos on that website. We, we did those videos in a rather interesting format. You’ll hear the story of as well. , so I’d reference that a as hypnotists, there’s a period of time before I really begin to build out the, let’s call it Digital Empire that I run nowadays with Work Smart hypnosis.
There’s this podcast that you’re interacting with. There’s my training programs, whether it’s. Hypnotic workers or hypnotic business systems. In the next couple of weeks we’re about to release the upping your Vibe product featuring Joanna Cameron training, both stage hypnosis as well as energy work based hypnotherapy.
It’s fascinating stuff that you’ve really gotta see. Uh, stay tuned to your emails for that one that you know, this digital empire. Before that I was doing a lot more guest training. In the local area, and it was uncanny the number of times that I would host something and somebody would say, Oh, I’ve already trained in parts therapy before.
I don’t need to take that class with Roy Hunter. To which I would be the one on the opposite side of that going. Two days of farts therapy. Oh boy, sign me up. You know, it, it’s that passion towards learning. It’s that passion towards discovering new information, but at the same time, it’s that discovery that we always can learn something new.
And what you’re about to listen to as I propose this, uh, topic to Sean, and you’re about to hear the full conversation of it, is that really some of the best lessons we’ve learned have come from working with clients. So moments where we can respectfully make fun of ourselves after the fact moments where we’ve learned a better way to address it.
Moments where, you know, we, we can challenge the things we used to passionately, passionately support, and to use my favorite phrase that comes from any good infomercial. There’s gotta be a better way. So you’ll hear that you know, Sean and I are both people that make use of hypnotic age regression, yet you may be surprised to hear the percentage of clients.
That we actually end up using that process with. Sean is known as the world’s fastest hypnotist, yet I’m sure there’s clients he doesn’t do instant inductions on. I use them very frequently, but they’re not a match with everybody, and he and I are also both people that chances are you’re a client, you’re in our session for the first time.
Odds are pretty good that you’re gonna get a Dave Ment induction, yet there’s gonna be moments where that’s not the appropriate choice. So it. As we define hypnosis as a state of heightened suggestibility, as I rebrand it to be, heightened receptivity in the mind that at any point in our careers, and yes, I accidentally call Sean an old man in this program, but as we’re, as we’re going through our careers, the opportunities to learn what we don’t yet know, Or to learn as I like to say, there’s gotta be a better way to get more just like this.
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That’s what this class is all designed to help you do. I did not run this by Sean, though. I’m sure it’s perfectly okay. And of course, now that I say it, I’ve gotta stick around here at the office and program the day I’m thinking I’m about to mention to you. But as a thank you for interacting with this program, as you register for the master hypnotist course, type in the promo code Thanksgiving.
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The succession number 87. Sean Michael Andrews on hypnotic lessons.
So I do have to congratulate you that basically 87 sessions in you are officially the first repeat guest on the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast. Whoa. Yeah. I am honored. So I know you’ve got your whole hypnotist of the year, Educator of the year, but this is the one that needs to go up on the, on the placard on the.
I just need to figure out how I’m gonna phrase this on my, uh, . Although still, even to this day, as I even go to various hypnosis conventions, there’s still the conversation of, Well, what’s a podcast? Yeah. Yeah. So I know luckily the people listening to this now are not on that side of the conversation, but good, good to have you here once again.
And, uh, as this is actually. Gonna be releasing on Thanksgiving Day here in the us. I kind of wanna just connect with you on the theme of, let’s call it best lessons learned in hypnosis. Hmm. And, uh, you know, maybe things we’ve learned from trainings, maybe things we’ve learned through the, the school of hard knocks.
Being out there doing the sessions and, you know, learning from our clients the things that. . Mm-hmm. . Yeah. I, I’d share something that comes to mind immediately was something that I am proudly ashamed of still to this day. That, you know, you used to live in this area as well, and I, I’m driving into my office park a couple of years ago, and it’s, uh, you, you’ve been here.
It’s a pretty small office park. I’m in the very back, and as I drive in, the local power company is Dominion Power, and there’s at least seven or eight trucks. Okay. Completely packed into my office park and as I’m driving in, just the thought is there immediately. I know I’m not going to have power today, and as I get into the office, sure enough, no power.
It’s a day like today, it’s like 60 degrees outside. It’s nice enough that we don’t need the air conditioning, but I actually call up my first client and say to him, Hey, there’s no power at the office. Why don’t we go ahead and reschedule? What he said next. I is kind of fitting into this theme of lessons learned as he goes, You talk to me in a room with my eyes closed, why do we need power
Ah. So, you know, call it the lesson of figuring out that maybe sometimes we overthink it. . Absolutely. I, I love that. I mean, what you know, and I know that there are a lot ofs out. Who use a lot of extra things that really are unnecessary when they do their sessions. Like for instance, they want the soothing music and sometimes they use other, other gadgets, you know, the blinky glasses.
And, uh, there are, there are many other different things that they can use, but it doesn’t really, it’s not really necessary. Really the only thing you need is you and a client. And the further away that you get from that, the more complicated you make it. And I don’t think you make the hypnosis better or the hypno therapy better.
Right. I always look at that environment and you know, even this week there’s, um, it’s something I’m curious about. I, I’m very much a gadget guy, yet still, I always flash back to the phrase of, what are you doing? The power goes. and, and there’s people that I, I know of who make use of that style of process that are extremely skill.
Hypnotist, and it’s the fair statement that the ones that are coming to mind, I know people like, you know, Mark Carlin, James Hazel R would put headphones on the clients as part of the process. And these are wonderfully skilled people. Mm-hmm. . And the skill is still there, even without it. So again, it’s where to lean heavily on something we don’t need.
It’s where building up that confidence in the process, you know, the brand new hypnotist who somehow forgot their scripts the day of the session, uh, , I’m sorry, there’s civil disobedience. We need to cancel the no to, to build up that confidence from the inside of this is what I need to do, this is what I need to create inside of the process.
Well, I would suggest that both James and Mark could do quite fine without the, he. I mean, I guess it’s kind of cool. You can talk to ’em through the microphone and it reverberates in the, But I don’t think they need it, and I think they do just fine without it. So then let’s get to the topic of lessons and training.
Is there something that comes to mind, a story perhaps, of whether it was something that happened while you were training or something even inside of a training you attended that that still kind of sticks with you to this? Mm, good question. Over the years, Well, let me, let me start with a, a brief story. I was talking with a very experienced hypnotist a couple of years ago, and she had just done a new edition of her best selling book and I asked her why, uh, she did the new edition and she.
Because I don’t believe any of that crap anymore. Mm-hmm. , I wrote that book, I wrote that book 20 years ago, and now my views on hypnosis are very different. And, and I think that’s the point I am in my career. There were things that I was told when I was coming up in hypnosis. Wait, how many years did I train with you?
Oh, crap. . That, that stuff I told you. Yeah. I don’t believe any of that stuff before anymore. But no, it’s, uh, it’s. Now I’m questioning things and, and, and prodding and testing and that sort of thing, and more testing than prodding and, uh, , it’s, I think that, uh, I think that as you’re, as your career progresses, and I’m sure you, you’ve experienced the same thing, you begin to question some of the things that you were taught, like for instance, physicians and lawyers.
And accountants are notoriously difficult to hypnotize, and that holds water for a long time until you get your first physician who is a complete blow down and absolute virtuoso, Sam, some nebulous. And, and then you start to wonder, you know, maybe this is not true. I mean, it could. A physician or a lawyer or an accountant could be not the greatest subject, but they might be the most wonderful subject.
So I think, I think as we get, as we progress in our careers, as you and I have, we begin to doubt some of the things that we were told and some of the things that we believed and unfortunately that we taught people. But, but that’s good. That’s good because, um, Because now we can, we can teach through experience and I think the, what we’re teaching now is, um, it’s better stuff.
Well, I mean, it’s that filter of looking at it from, I love the phrase, the street smarts versus the book learning. that we, We can look at it on paper and explain this is why it would work, this is why it should be effective of all things. It kind of brings about a bit of a metaphor that it’s about, I think it’s about March last year when I had to get the Virginia Hypnosis website rebuilt.
And uh, at the time Google was announcing that if your website is not mobile optimized, yes, it’s gonna be penalized. So the website was kind of out of date and I just needed to update the whole thing anyway, so I had a good reason to do it that month. And there’s a moment that came out of this that there’s something wonderfully hypnotic about what one of the designers said to me.
There’s a moment. , I, I completely trashed the website. I crashed it. There was something that I tried to go in and fix and it didn’t work. And you, you have to admire when someone is coming at you from a place of ultimate, let’s call it amusement rather than criticism. Because instead of saying, Why did you screw up the website, You hired me to fix this, it’s instead him saying, I can’t figure out why your website was actually loading in the first.
Every, every bit of code is wrong. Every bit of programming is out of date and incorrect and doesn’t match up. I mean, you’re using one style of HTML code with this form of css, and I’m going, What’s that mean? And , it’s more the amusement of, I can’t figure out how you got this thing. I, I can’t figure out how to make it work again, because I can’t figure out why it worked in the first.
A, and that kind of rung true in almost a hypnotic standpoint that we, we don’t always have to have the reason why. You know, as much as you and I are both, you know, proponents of hypnotic age regression, that the phrase that I keep coming back to, and this is a story I’m about to share that’s, that’s I’m sure come up on this podcast before, I think actually when she was on the program yet, our mutual friend Cheryl Elman, was talking about how working with someone with phantom limb pain, there is a fascinating form of.
Of physical therapy where they set up a series of mirrors. Ah, yes. So it, it fools the eye that you can look at the mirror reflection and suddenly it’s as if you can see the missing limb and somehow it tricks something into neurology to then fill in the gaps. And then that individual. The, the pain is released almost immediately.
Mm-hmm. and, and she and I are talking about this and she, she says, But I don’t know how to set up the mirrors. And somehow out of my mouth slips the phrase, Why don’t you just do hypnosis? Exactly, which, which, it’s a mutual friend as well, who was doing a stage hypnosis program and people kept falling out of their chairs.
And I, I loved the fear he expressed of, Does this mean I’m too powerful of a hypnotist and maybe I shouldn’t do shows? Oh, and the answer is, Well, why don’t you just do hypnosis? Why don’t you just suggest the chair is there to support you completely. The body will safely remain in the. Exactly. And uh, and something I would like to add in the chair is stuck to the floor.
Because I had an incident one time where a, uh, a subject. Was firmly stuck to that chair, but she picked that chair up with her butt and moved that chair all around the stage. Not a good situation. So your butt is stuck to the chair. The chair stuck to the stage. Oh, one more thing. This is weird, but it reminds me of something that came up recently and that is the, uh, literalism of people on stage.
I was doing a demonstration. Uh, I believe it was in Chicago a couple of months ago. And, uh, I, I was finishing the show or the demonstration and I said to them, Okay, now please, uh, please go take a um, take a seat. Take please go take your seat in the audience. And two of the people on stage, you know what’s happening.
Two people on stage picked up their chairs and tried to take them back into the audience. The literalness of people that who were deeply hypnotized, it was, um, hit, never ceases to amaze me. , I forget who I first heard. I think it was William Mitchell that I heard tell this story and then suddenly I had it happen as well.
This, this, she is a personal trainer and, uh, someone who, you know, you don’t have to tell this person to go exercise because she is teaching that body pump exercise class for five times a day, and she’s someone who, from the fitness side, tracks every calorie, eats the same foods and, and basically as she’s aged, The same methods are not working the same way they did before.
Basically just, let’s just call it the metabolism is, has slowed down and there’s a few extra pounds in the body and she comes in and it’s where really do have to listen to the clients sometimes, cuz they really do give you everything they need. Mm-hmm. , you know that sometimes weight loss is this emotional thing to have to address and all this extra baggage to have to release.
But then sometimes just as the body changes, as the body ages, we just gotta do things a little bit differently. And it really is sometimes just habits and behaviors. And in her case, the line was, without even thinking of it, I wanna pick up my knife in fork, cut my meal in half and enjoy half. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. . And that’s it. And it’s her husband who calls me up and says, She won’t call you. Like, Was everything all right? He goes, She cut the.
So without even thinking of it, pick up the knife and fork, cut the meal at half and enjoy half. Exactly. Hey, it works.
Somehow running the knife through soup was a wonderful hypnotic suggestion as well that solidified that she was in control of her behaviors from that point forward.
you know, you, you brought up the theme of, you know, revisiting some of the original thinking, revisiting some of the original knowledge. Is there something that perhaps stands out even from, let’s even just say a workshop, a seminar you’ve attended in the last couple of years that kind of stuck out as, Oh, that’s another way to address.
Well, as you know, I, I do still do a lot of seminars and a lot of classes. So many things dig out and challenge me. And, um, over the years, this is not fairly recent, but over the years, I, uh, I’ve begun to doubt the necessity of doing regression for everything, every time. I used to be the biggest proponent of regression, uh, regress for everything.
Sometimes it’s not, it’s not appropriate and sometimes it’s not necessary. And I would say I’ve gone from 90% regression to about 50 or 40% regression. Yeah, I’d say about the same numbers here, really. Okay. Yeah. And, um, my, my, um, Well before you, before you move on from that, Yeah. Let me ask you this. What’s your, what’s your filter?
What’s your deciding factor then in terms of when do you do it? When do you not do. . I, I think it’s, it’s, uh, it’s similar to a medical sort of thing. I, I do something less invasive and if I’m getting good results with something less invasive, say direct suggestion, then that’s fine. But if I’m not getting good results with it, then I, then I do the surgery, then I do the, the regression work, Age regression work.
That’s great. Way of, that’s my, yeah, that’s a great metaphor of it. Cuz I can, I can point to. Many years ago, uh, before I got into better shape and got into better health consciousness, the, the, the line is I developed a bad habit where I kept spraying my back and there was one time that I sprained it so horribly, 4th of July by, uh, trying to drag a kitty pool filled with water, um, as is usually the, uh, the case of most injuries.
I, I’m there. It’s the emergency room. It’s the 4th of July. They are busy and the doctor just walks in and he, it, he was done with me in a minute because he goes, Were you hit by anything? No. Did you fall down anything? No. Okay. Well, this is a strategy I like to call diag, uh, diagnosing. Diagnosing by process of elimination.
I’m gonna give you pain pills. And it’s gonna make the next three days disappear. pusher. And he goes, basically, if it’s still a problem a week from now, then we’ll explore it otherwise, But you’re probably okay. Ah-huh. . Which, which again, is the same thing about if everything else is working, you know, there’s not the need.
Mm-hmm. , if they’re responding, you know, it’s the place of only subconscious resistance as I would deem. . Yeah. And, and that’s, this is just one of the things that, uh, that we’ve come to just through practice and seeing, you know, thousands of clients mm-hmm. and, um, it’s, it’s nice to be able to, um, let the students not make the same mistakes that we’ve made and, uh, they, they will find their own way.
Anyone that, uh, that’s studied with you or with me, they, they eventually will find their own way, but they’re not gonna get just the regurgitated wisdom of the ages. They’re gonna get, um, the, the knowledge from people who are, are seeing. Lots of clients have seen lots of clients and, uh, have tried a lot of things and failed.
That’s, that’s the the other thing, I mean, many of the organizations out there, you know, they. Produce, I don’t wanna say produce. They, uh, they certify trainers, which is good. And one of the things that they always do is they, they want their trainers to have been in practice for a significant amount of time because that’s where you learn, you learn how to do hypnotherapy by seeing clients.
Yes, you learn in school. And yes, it’s wonderful to get really good instructors, but your real training ground is when you’re out there seeing. And so that’s why most of the organizations do not want to certify trainers who have not experienced working in a practice with real clients. There’s a line that often wraps up some of the classes that I do these days, which is a playful bit of wordplay about, so, It’s the end of the class.
This is really the beginning of a conversation. As there’s ongoing resources, there’s ongoing communication, you get as training with me. However, at this point, I’d like to inform you all, you’ve been duped, , , you’ve all, you, you’ve signed up for a training course, and yet really you’ve experienced education.
The real training is what happens as you now go out there and you put this stuff into use. Mm-hmm. . Absolutely. I, I agree with that. 100. I, I share to, to reference another, uh, person’s about to be on this podcast. There. There’s something that I had witnessed in the training in a workshop at a convention years ago that sticks with me, and it was a little out of the ordinary from styles that I had seen before, and it’s actually to reference Tom Coley.
Mm-hmm. . I saw him in doing a session demonstration one time where there was no recognizable format. There was no recognizable structure that here he was doing the induction, and during the induction puling away at hypnotic suggestion work here, he was at a deepening process doing a bit of a regression process inside of the deepener.
And the biggest takeaway is that I, I’d say, and this has been a theme on this program many times over, now, that there’s an appreciation for learning the structure so we can then break the s. . Hmm. Yes. Absolutely. Learning the rules of the work, so be they can then break the rules. Mm-hmm. , and I’ve even heard you say about a, a classically oriented format, yet still bringing in modern tendencies, right?
Yes. Yeah. So how would you say that that’s sort of phrasing over the years, uh, about, you know, whether it’s been inside of training, whether it’s been inside of working with clients? Moments where you’ve found it to be absolutely clear. I need to break the format. I need, I need to do it differently today, perhaps
Well, that usually doesn’t come from training, that usually comes from clients. Yeah. And, uh, and yeah, it’s something that, uh, that works really well, three, four times in a row, and then you get that, that client that’s progressing, you know, And, uh, but. That’s the benefit of going out and training more because you have all these things that you’ve learned.
I mean, I have techniques that I use every three years, honest to God. Every three years, some, this one technique comes up and I think, Oh, this seems appropriate right here. And very often when, when I get that inspiration, it is appropriate there and it works really well. So, I mean, continuing education is essential.
And I’m so grateful to all the trainers that, that I got to experience over the years and that I continue to experience. It’s, it’s, it’s amazing. I mean, this is, it’s pretty complicated stuff sometimes working with these people and helping them with their issues and it’s really cool to be able to reach back in the memory banks and say, You know, I saw.
I saw that, uh, that presentation from Jason three years ago, and he mentioned this one thing, and by golly, that seems to fit here right now. And it does. So that’s, that’s the advantage or that’s the, um, Uh, that’s why advanced training is, is so good for a hypnotherapist, which as a reference, we’ve got our master hypnotist course coming up in March, 2017, which is gonna be Monday, March 13th till Saturday, March 18th, out in Las Vegas at the Orleans Hotel and Casino.
You can learn more about that over at Master Hypnotist. Dot com. So check that out too. And that’s master hypnotist course.com. I, I’d ask you this. It, it you, you’ve had some time, I mean, you’ve been over in Germany for a couple of years. Mm-hmm. I think when we first recorded you were session one, session two of this podcast.
I, I claim session one to myself, . Oh, okay. I was gonna say who, who beat me. Who Session two is the first winner runner up? No, . Oh, okay. Alright. Not in any particular order. So in terms of, you know, the time you’ve had in Germany, which correct me on this. There’s a licensing process in Germany, yet basically you kind of figured out that by the time you did it, you’d be back here in the States.
Yeah. So you spent most of your time in research as you’re now, as you’re now opening up an office there in Georgia. As you’re now going back into the process, there’s a, there’s a quote. that, uh, I keep coming back to that. Of course, I keep butchering and I’m sure I keep changing the basketball player’s name cuz I don’t follow basketball.
So what, just, not even bother saying the name, but it’s a, it’s a guy who’s been playing professionally now for about 10 years and his statement was, he was drafted while he was in college. Mm-hmm. . And now he’s older, he’s not as strong, he’s not as fast yet. He goes, I’m playing smarter than I ever did before.
So I would never get hired by this team that I’m on now, yet I know I’m playing better. Mm-hmm. . So if you kind of had to describe what you think’s gonna be different going into these sessions now, what? What do you think that might be? Are you calling me old? Yes, I am. Okay. Yeah, that’s . I can, I can deal with that.
I just wanted to be clear. Yeah. I think that , I think that in the, uh, in the experiments that I did in Germany, I learned a lot. One of the things is, you know, one of the things that I’m really excited about is how to judge hypnotizability. Hmm. How to look at someone, size them up and. This person is going to be very easy to hypnotize or this person, I need to use something a little bit more clever because I’m seeing some things that, um, I don’t think so, you know, and, and so I did a lot of experiments on Hypnotizability, which I mean are really good for, even for hypnotherapist.
when you learn the techniques that we’re gonna be teaching in Las Vegas, you should be able to hypnotize anybody. Mm-hmm. . But, but if you’re out there building your practice and giving a talk to the, uh, Lion Club or something, you need to be able to look at people in, size them up and go, Okay, if, if I wanna sh give them a show, if I wanna show them the power of hypnosis, that lady right there, she’s the one that I bring up for the demonstration.
And of course she’ll be right. My experiments in Hypnotizability have really, Wow. They, they are very, um, very useful. They’re gonna come in useful, uh, in a lot of things in my hyp therapy, in my talking to service clubs and in my keynote speaking. Those things are gonna come way in, in, um, really into, um, play.
So let me ask you this cuz there’s a clarification that might be in there that when many people hear the conversation of Hypnotizability, it comes down to. , let’s call it a, a binary issue. Will it work or will it not work? And ah, I I think you’re really addressing it as to what’s, what do I have that’s there, and then how can I better work with this individual?
Yeah. I mean, it’s, it’s, it depends on your situation, what you’re doing. I mean, when you’re in the clinic, we both know that the scientific studies and the studies that I’ve done in Germany pretty much, uh, bear it out. There is no correlation between depth of trance. And the ability to make a change. Yes.
And so we’ve had people who, the Flo will still reject a suggestion. Exactly. But somebody who you think is just in a medium or rather light state, they, they lose lots of weight. They make the change. They stop smoking. They’re, you know, so, so that’s not the deal. But, but sometimes hypnotizability and depth of trance are important.
And, and being able to, I mean, I’ve got a, a video, it’s on YouTube, but I’ve got a lock on it, but I’ll send it to you. Um, maybe we could share it with people. Mm-hmm. and, and I found someone in my, uh, in my committee and I just knew, I just knew. And when she drops into hypnosis in the chair safely, the crowd gasps.
That’s pretty cool. , when they see somebody drop into hypnosis and they. They know right then that, wow, that guy’s pretty cool. I mean, not really, but that’s what they . So I like that . So, so anyway, so, so there are some advantages in that little things. I mean, there, there are so many things that I experimented with.
Alcohol and hypnosis, uh, caffeine and henosis. How many people have ever, um, who are running a hypnotherapy practice or stage hypnotist and someone says, Well, I drank some coffee. Is that gonna be a problem? . Well, I, I learned some things about that and, and one of the things is that, no, it’s not a problem.
You’ll go in hypnosis nicely, but you may not think you were in hypnosis very deeply. Hmm. And that could have an effect. In therapy, it would be no problem at all on the stage or during, in demonstration. However, in therapy, we want them to know that they were very deep in hypnosis. So even though they are, if they had two cups of coffee, they’re not gonna think they were.
And that could have an effect on the therapy. That’s just kind of like one of the little fine points, uh, that will be bringing out in. Although, let me bring this up, and this is something I don’t think I’ve ever talked about to anybody in hypnosis. So, uh, we stop the recording . No, we’ll keep it going. It’s the experience and this actually happened today, last week.
Here’s this woman that I’m working with. And she is leaving behind a career as Will will abbreviate for obvious purposes. Mm-hmm. , she’s leaving behind a career, uh, being the employee. She’s now going out full-time as a realtor, basically a independent contractor, self-employed. Mm-hmm. . And we’re working on a lot of confidence issues.
We’re working on a lot of, you know, standing up in front of a group of people and talking about what she does. Mm-hmm. being more of the go getter and it’s the interesting moment. . It’s our third session, and last time we were here we did hypnotic age regression and we released a whole bunch of stuff, right?
And the week since then has been outstanding. I mean, the results are in motion. She’s attended this event, she’s signed up this many new potential clients. She’s shot now showing houses to this couple that was on the fence that she kind of gave the, Okay, let’s do this or not ultimatum to, and now they’re taking action.
So things are moving forward. Yet, here’s the perception, because last week’s session was more interactive. They have the perception that they were not as deeply hypnotized. Mm. Because session one was a lot of direct suggestion and a lot of imagery and a lot of deeper relaxation based stuff. And by nature of that second session being interactive, which if we want to get technical required a deeper level of hypnotic trans to pull it off.
Sure. However, the perception, because of the interactive nature of it, I wasn’t as deep. Interesting. Have you run into that? Yeah. Yeah. It’s, it’s what we, what we always want. . Well, what I always want disagree on this. What I always want is I want the person to think, Wow, I was really zonked. Yeah. Whether they were or whether they weren’t, because it, it just helps the outcome often in the, in the session.
Other than that, then, then we have to look at changing the perception. So that, uh, sometimes you’re going to be deeper, sometimes you’re gonna be lighter, but it’s, it’s just part of the plan and, uh, you’re still going to get the outcome. I, I worked with a realtor years ago, and what we did was we got his financial records, or I, he gave me his financial records, , and we wanted to, we wanted, It’s so easy to find online, by the way, but that’s another story probably.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, but this was, this is years ago, so it wasn’t as available and we looked at his, And, you know, he had this many, this many calls and he had this many clients and he had this many showings and this many sales. And so it was very obvious. And I said, So, you know, sometimes it’s gonna be different in the session, but look at the progress.
At the progress. And, and he had to admit, My gosh, any, you gave me a great testimonial, , but my gosh, I’m making a lot more money. This stuff must really work. So, so yeah, it’s, it’s all about perception. But yeah, in general, we want them to feel really sought. , there’s a, there’s a woman that I worked with and understand this is not a, this is not a criticism of the psychological profession.
Mm-hmm. , however, this is a criticism over the character type that got a college degree in psychology 30 or 40 years ago and then decided, Yeah, I don’t wanna do this. And they went back to school, got a degree in something else, and they moved on. But clearly they’re still an expert in all things involving the.
Yeah, which I’ve only had a few times, but it’s one that now as it pops up as the, Oh, buckle up. We’re going there again. And as we’re working, she and I are doing weight loss and she is a great example of someone that, from the phone call, I’m thinking, Oh man, there’s a lot of stuff under the surface on this one.
I’m probably gonna end up doing some sort of regression on this person. And I never went beyond direct suggest. With her and she was, she was losing weight and it was flying off and easy and, and doing fantastic with it. So again, learning when and where, you know, we don’t use every tool we have on every job yet.
She would sit there and the, the debrief and the recap of the previous session before jumping into the next one was always, um, you know, based on everything I’ve ever studied, there’s no reason why anything you’re doing should have any. To which to which I just learned to smile and say, What did the scale say this morning?
And as if it was perfectly rehearsed, she’d shrug her shoulders, reach down, pull the level on the rec lever on the recliner, and just close her eyes and say, Okay, let’s just do it.
can’t argue with success. Yeah. . Well, awesome. Awesome. Let me ask you this, if there’s something that you’re looking forward to, uh, let’s say continuing your own journey of inside of hypnosis, if there’s some sort of mission statement you’ve got for moving forward, let, So as we started this office, lessons we’ve learned by doing this.
Let’s phrase it as what’s a lesson you’d like to refine or learn more of in the coming years? I want to, uh, I want to do more. Uh, I used to do a quarterly study and I’m going to bring that back. The one that I’m thinking about. I, I wanna copy one and then I’ll, I’ll branch out. I wanna take a real estate agent, a uh, car salesman and something else.
I’m not sure what. And, and I wanna work with them and I want to take their financial statements and, and I want to. , change them in three months and, and look at what I can do, how much money I can make them in that amount of time. I think that will be really fun. So that’s, that’s one I want to do. Yeah.
There are more. I, I want to do some more. Excuse me. With, with Hypnotizability, of course, because that’s, that’s my passion. But, but I want, I wanna, I wanna try new things. Like with this thing with the sales people, I, I want to try new techniques with them and see which ones work so that, you know, I can put together a program that other people can try and see if it works for them too.
I wanna put together a process, but yeah. I wanna do my quarterly projects again, because those, uh, I, I love it. It’s, it’s just so much fun. And I shared there’s a similar passion in terms of, let’s call it measurable success. That one, one thing that fascinates me is that working with clients, there’s another person who was here earlier this morning for, uh, it was our second session, and, and I’m, I’m amused by the category that the measure of success is something not happen.
So . So in this scenario, we were dealing with a lot of nighttime snacking and a lot of extraneous eating, and she’s having to kind of sort through and realize, Oh wow, I’ve actually done really, really well this week. Because it wasn’t the category of Oh, you wanted to exercise more and you’ve been five times.
No, the, the measure of success was that she just kind of took care of things at home and wasn’t distracted by having to eat extra things. Mm-hmm. so similar to that, you know, the measurable success, it’s the, it’s the passion. Let’s put it back towards the, the training, the imparting of knowledge. A, as we look at what a student receives as part of their educational experience, to really motivate them to actually put this stuff into use.
that there’s so much knowledge that’s out there. There’s so much insight, there’s so many experiences, and it just comes down to the styles of which, how we, how we instruct with whether it’s hypnosis, whether it’s nlp, so that people really integrate the information and really put into use rather than just the, Oh, I’ve got another piece of.
Oh, I’ve been through this other course. No, they’re actually we, we talk about hypno. Hypnotizability is this heightened state of suggestibility, which is that receptiveness to take the information and actually do something with it. Mm-hmm. , so that conversion of knowledge into action. Which is why I’m excited that you and I are doing this course in in Vegas coming up master hypnotist course.com, that you’ve got a whole resume of people that are out there working and doing hypnosis.
And I’ve got similar as well, and it’s called the Captain America Moment, when our powers combined. Those Wonder Twins powers, wasn’t it something like I could screw up every cultural reference possible, but the the, there’s heart behind it and that’s what matters. , we can cut, we can cut that part out. That something good?
Yeah. Leave it in. Leave it in. It’s more fun that way, . Yeah. Well, cool. What do you, what, what are your plans for Thanksgiving? Let’s see. Uh, we’re, um, bringing Stephanie’s mom down and, uh, we’ll probably have, have Thanksgiving. Well, the plan is we’re having Thanksgiving at the boy’s house and, uh, so, so s step will be cooking and her mom will be here, so that’ll be good.
Boys have gotta shovel out the house. I swear they, they just destroy a house in like, no time , young, young men. 26 years old. Yeah, it’s. Yeah, a three and five, a three and a five year old do the same thing. Claire and Max, or, Yeah, but that five year old is a really fast hypnotist. If anybody wants to look that up on YouTube.
Is that video still up? Yeah. I’ll have to put that in the, in the show notes for this one. I’ve got Claire doing, I’ve got Claire doing an instant induction, I think at two years old. Yes. She was great. Or she says there 1, 2, 3, sleep . Now she does say wake up, which, uh, Oh wow. We’re technically not supposed to, but, uh, we’ll let her get away.
Well, I, Yeah, I think so. I think she’s, Yeah, she can get away with that . See, we pull off the double Thanksgiving that we do the, uh, we do the Thanksgiving, then we do the Friendsgiving, that we’ve got so many, uh, friends that are back in the area, which by a fluke of scheduling this year, we’re hosting both.
So, um, it’ll be Thursday, Cook and Prep, Friday rest Saturday Cook and Prep, but good times around . Yeah. Yeah, it’ll be nice. Oh, awesome. Uh, thanks for making some time available for this one and I’d point everyone over to check out master hypnotist course.com. If you haven’t been to that site, check out those videos just to.
To share some of the, uh, technical fund behind that. Uh, we shot all those videos while Sean was still over in Germany, so the wonders of having two cameras running, we were connected via Skype and basically took, I’ve got a full time video editor for everything over at Work Smart Hypnosis, and it took Jan about two weeks to, to sort through those of how do we splice it all together in a way that actually makes sense.
Did a great job. Really. It really looks good. He did a fantastic job that you get the actual feel of how we did it live. But again, we’re couple of hours in the cutting room floor, so maybe we can pull some B sides out as well. sounds good. Awesome. All right, my friend. I’ll see you soon. Take care. Give my loves of the family.
All right, I’ll see ya. Take care. Bye. Thanks for listening to the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast and work smart hypnosis.com. Jason Lynette here once again, and those always thank you for interacting with this program. Thank you for sharing your feedback. Whether it’s online, on iTunes or in person. I gotta share, the biggest thrill out of all of this is the fact that I can go to a hypnosis convention and they’ll pee people that I don’t know, and you’ll walk up to me and say, Hey, your session on this.
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