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It’s like that I wanna be doing magic with people, essentially, Right? I want, and I want them to feel the magic and do the therapy kind of behind the scenes. So yeah, I think this, this Renaissance, as you say, is a lot of the stuff is, you know, stuff that I’ve lovingly stolen from, I paid some of this stuff.
Yeah, no, I mean, it comes from that respect of this is how it should look. If I could really do this, what would it look like? Sets. Here’s your host, Jason Lynette. Jason Lynette here. And thank you so much once again for joining me here on the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast. If you’re brand new to this, well simply hop online to work smart hypnosis.com and check out the previous 94 sessions, and if you’re back again, well.
Good to have you here. And the wonders of our modern digital era, uh, at various hypnosis conventions over the years have kind of developed a catchphrase that I meet someone in person for the first time. And the phrasing is, yeah, but we’re already best friends on Facebook. That it’s so easy to get connected with people, so easy to interact with people, even so easy at times to do business with people and, you know, create programs with people that chances.
You get to, whether it’s the GH convention, hypno thoughts, uh, MidAmerica, hypnosis, any of these events, and you’re suddenly meeting in person for the first time and it’s as if you’ve already known that person. So briefly, I shared the story, and I may have mentioned this before. that, uh, there, I was attending one of my very first hypnosis conventions years ago, the very first time I went to the NG convention, and it was the experience of reaching out to people that I had already known of as rock stars in the profession.
And just the welcoming that was already there. So if there’s someone whose content you’re enjoying, whether it’s their book, whether it’s their training, whether it’s the videos they put up online, the four of us who seem to be doing podcasts, , uh, any of this, you know, reach out to us, reach out to that person that you want to have that interaction with, because the conversation doesn’t have to begin only because you’re now face to face.
So, Brings us full circle to this conversation. You’re about to hear with Luke that Luke Howard is a guy that I have known of for a couple of years now and not just cuz he’s bought my products. Thank you Luke. No, but because we’ve interacted online, I’ve seen some of the work that he’s done and the wonders of, uh, circumstance that this past, uh, August, 2016 at out in Vegas at hypno thoughts suddenly I see.
Luke’s here. He’s speaking and just made it a point. Had to be in the room. And again, the story of continuing a conversation that had already been in motion of a very similar approach, a very similar mindset, and just when you listen to this guy, we could have gone on for hours. Uh, the, the approach to change that, what I love about this.
Is always is breaking the mold, taking those things that we’re supposed to do or we’re seemingly supposed to do, and bending these realities in such a way. What I wanna highlight for you before you listen to this conversation with Luke is that. There’s something that he hits on. That’s a theme that’s really summed up the last couple of years for me, and it comes down to the simple difference between showing versus telling that as hypnotist, as Luke says, as I’ve said before, we all talk way too damn much.
Sometimes we all explain things to the point that we can’t explain them any further, and that’s very often sometimes a good strategy. Yes, though sometimes it’s not the right strategy. And rather than just telling, sometimes we just gotta show, We gotta give the experience and you’re gonna hear some specific stories that Luke is gonna share here, whether it’s client sessions, whether it’s business networking, whether it’s the, he’s at a bar and someone suddenly says you’re a hypnotist.
And he sees that opportu. Beautifully. So if I’d encourage any point of view to go into this, it’s to ask yourself, how can I step into a more showing mentality, a more experiential, a more as the session is titled, Hypnotic Feeling Strategy. So with that, let’s jump right in. This one’s fantastic. Get ready for session number 95.
Luke Howard on hypnotic feelings.
Yep. So kind of tell us the story of how it was you got into hyp. Yeah, so when I was a teenager, I was very messed up. I had every kind of problem you can imagine. I was aic, I was obese, had a horrible relationship, and my parents had no friends. Got bullied at school. Um, went through all types of therapy, nothing, uh, worked, psychotherapy, counseling, this kind of stuff.
Uh, I was just lost. I was just miserable. I knew I had something inside. I knew I had something special inside, but I did not have a way to demonstrate it. And, um, one day, um, I was reading a newspaper in the UK called The News of the World. It’s now defunct. It doesn’t exist anymore, but. Our biggest, um, Rupert Murdoc and newspaper that came out on a Sunday, and I’m, and I’m scanning through the back of it.
And then there’s this ad for this, uh, audio tape in, in the mid nineties. So it was audio tapes, no MP3s, anything like that. And it was for a audio cassette called Supreme Self-Confidence, and it was by a guy called Paul McKenna that I’m sure you’d never heard of before. And um, it’s 20 bucks, as you know, it’s 20.
10 UK you had to send a check off, didn’t have a checkbook. So I got my sister to cut me a check. It took like 21 days for this, uh, audio tape to arrive. But because I’d seen this guy on network TV for five years doing these hypnotic shows, I’m like, Well, this stuff must work because he’s getting people to dance around like Michael Jackson.
Sing like Madonna, uh, click of his fingertips. So, and he is on tv, so this stuff must be real. So I eagerly weighted that cassette. It came, I had the full belief that it was gonna fix everything where everything else fouled in my life. And I listened to it religiously every day, 22 minutes side. 22 minutes side B for 21 days.
And that stupid generic audio recording, um, had more impact on me in changing my life than, than anything that came before it. So then I was like, Wow, if this silly, generic audio cassette that’s one size fits all, had this effect on me, what if I learned this stuff for real? So then I spent the, uh, next half of my life, the next 18 years traveling the world training with the best people around, um, making up stuff.
And, um, here I am. That’s the short version. I love it. I love it. So going through that experience though, I mean, what was it that, um, to rewind it back here, was this offer you had seen him on tv. Uh, what was, let’s, let’s go back to this. What was the expectation of what the hypnosis would actually do for.
The expectation at that time was it, it’s real. It’s gonna change my life because I, I’ve seen it, I’ve seen this guy on TV and you know, as a teenager, as a kid, like, if it’s on tv it must be real. I’m like, Well, he’s making people do all these things. It seems like some kind of magical power. And when I got that table, I gotta be honest with you, I, I, I, I don’t remember anyone ever saying nice things to me.
So when I put that tape on the first time, it was the first time I heard a voice that was giving me. Positive affirmations about anything. So I guess it kind of melted my heart a little bit at that point and it just kind of seeped in and um, yeah, I just had that full expectation that it was gonna work and, uh, it did work.
Which, let’s jump forward then. So that was your experience when you were on the client side, even though it was, uh, the cassette tape because of that experience. Is there anything from that that has now influenced directly how you work with your own clients? Mm. Yeah. Good. Good question. Um, You know what? I think sometimes we can, we can make hypnosis as complicated or as simple as we wanna make it.
And I don’t know if you are guilty of this. I certainly am. I learned more and more stuff. I get more and more information, neuroscience, everything, you know, read these studies. It’s all amazes. It’s great to be educated, but sometimes we overcomplicated things. Yeah. When really for me, I’m like, how can we make everyth.
Easier for me, the, the, the perfect hypnosis session would be someone comes in with that full belief that something is going to change, something is going to happen. I simply say, close your eyes. I count from 10 down to one. I give them the positive suggestion of you will be happy, or whatever, whatever it is they want in their life.
I count ’em out, the session’s done in five minutes. In my perfect world, that’s what I want and that’s, that’s the point of which I want to simplifies. Simple, simplify. Yeah. It’s easy for me to say . The hypnosis I do with people, take out everything that’s not needed. And just do it fast, do it rapid, have it longlasting, and just, just take all the nonsense out that’s that’s not needed.
Now there’s something to be said about bringing it back to the simplicity and yes, all these tools are valid when they serve their purpose, but sometimes, you know, it’s that experience of using them for the sake of using them. Well, I was told I have to use this technique, which when you’re matching what your client expectation was when you were listening to that audio versus what the, what the client coming into our offices are coming in with.
Yeah. I love. Yeah, I spent many years using systems that, you know, as a hypnotist, I, I, I still from everyone, I still from the best everything we call that, we call that modeling excellence. Yes, we do. Exactly. That’s, that’s, that’s my line. Thank you very much. Totally. So I still, I still from the best, the only originality that I bring to anything in my life.
As any of us do is it goes for our own filters, our own internal filters, and the way that we present that information to people is gonna be a little bit different to the next person. So I had a system, many systems that I used, and I was told that this system worked well for everyone all of the time. It was the one size that fits all.
Mm-hmm. , and I was drinking a Kool-Aid back then, . So if, if the system didn’t work, I was always like, well, the client’s resistant, the, the client doesn’t want to change enough. And I would always kind of blame the client then after I asked, like to look at the system and be like, well, well, maybe it isn’t about one size fits all, so, Really what I did was, like I said, I simplified everything, but also I realized that when, when, when people come into our office, most of the time the only knowledge they have of hypnosis is, is, is shows they’ve been to or TV shows.
They, they may have seen at some point. And, and a lot of hypnotist, and I was very, very guilty of this. I took all the magic out of it. Cause I’m a hypnotherapist. I’m not a hypnotist, I’m not gonna humiliate you. Or do that stuff that they do on stage. I’m gonna look after you. I’m gonna be ethical. I’m just gonna talk to your unconscious mind.
And I realized that oftentimes clients would leave my office. It had to change, but they would feel like nothing happened. Yeah. An example of this is I did a stop smoking session with someone. They sent me a really angry email. Six months later being like, You’re a phony, you’re a fraud. Oh, I can’t believe I wasted all that money with you.
I didn’t feel hypnotized, So I wrote back to them. I’m like, Oh, I’m, I’m sorry. How many cigarettes are you smoking now? They were smoking about, uh, 35, 40 a day, and they’re like, No, I’m not smoking. I haven’t smoked for six months, but you didn’t hypnotize me. Mm. And I’m like, Mm. There’s a difference between the result and someone being satisfied.
Ooh. So now, yeah, being satisfied cuz they might not even get the result that they think that they want, but they’re satisfied. They might get the result they paid you for, but not be satisfied. It’s a weird thing. So now what I do is, I, I put a lot of it. It’s, it’s what my talk at hypno thoughts is gonna be actually at the conference.
It’s about putting the magic back into your hypnosis practice. So really, really taking some of these great things from great stage hypnotists, people like tra taking these things that they do. But putting them into the session so the client fills before the hypnosis has already begun. Technically they think it’s when they close their eyes.
We know it’s not bit different, but magical things start to happen. Um, you know, we call ’em convincers, hypnotic phenomenon. I know you’ve got a product on it as well, which is amazing that I own. But putting this magic. You can pay me for that plug later . But putting that magic in so they start to see and experience things that are different.
So like, what if my fingers are coming together? If my hands are coming together, if my hand is raised all by itself, if my eyes won’t open, if my body is sway and I’m losing balance and this guy isn’t touching me, then um, I’m gonna even be a non-smoker or I’m gonna leave and not have that problem anymore because those other seven things happened that apparently happened out of my.
Yeah. Yeah. Which again, let’s go into that cuz I chair, and I think you’ve heard me say this before, the, the feeling to those moments of magic that, um, many people in hypnosis don’t use them. And one of the reasons is that they think, Well what do you do if it doesn’t work? To which my response is, will find better ways to make them work and.
Yeah. What you’re referencing is my variation of how I do that . The other side of it though, is that they feel there’s not a motivation into that. But again, it’s where we could have all of our premises, all of our theories, all of our logic. Yet the client experience, the, the story you told was perfect because this guy was coming in.
and he had an expectation and that wasn’t delivered upon. Um, you know, yes, he quit smoking. So yes, that was rightfully reiterated, . But at the same time, there was something that he was expecting in hypnosis. Absolutely. Yeah. So, and, and, and, and the way that sometimes, you know, our clients will generalize.
They will, where they will join the dots between the things that we do inside their mind, and sometimes they need to be lovingly pushed, uh, to, to make those realizations. So what I’ll often do is when, when a client will come in, I used to spend 40 minutes given a pre-talk. It was an amazing pre-talk I continue.
Updated to find better metaphors to explain the process of hypnosis. And it sounded really, really good. I’d speak it. I love the sound on my own voice. They love my beautiful British accent. I’d see their eyes glaze over. Maybe they were bored, but they still, I, I, I, I’d, I’d, um, Fired off the neurology, if you will, in their conscious mind.
But we know that what we are doing in hypnosis is, is not a conscious mind action that they’re doing. Yeah. So I was just feeding the thing that I wanted to essentially switch off temporarily. So now people come into my office and I, I tell ’em what I just. Told you I could spend 40 minutes explaining what hypnosis is to you, or I could just do it.
Mm-hmm. , what would you prefer? Ooh. I’m like, You could just do it. I’m like, Sure, stand up. Put your feet together. Don’t move your feet. I’m gonna rock your body back and forth. I’ve got you. Just go where I put you, and we start off immediately and I can feel in their body. I can feel if there’s any tension, I can feel if there’s any resistance.
And it just builds up that relationship from the beginning that something is happening within the first. Of them coming into my office, something that they thought, Oh, this is what hypnosis is. Mm-hmm. , this hypnotist has power over me. I don’t have power over anyone unless I pull out my gun. And that’s why people don’t pay me on time.
But, but, but, but like, we give away our power, the views of the guests do not necessarily reflect that. Yeah. Go on. There you go. But a lot of times we give away our power, right? We’re taught to give away our power. No hypnosis. We can’t make you do anything against your control. Oh no. You are in complete control and I understand why we do that.
Mm-hmm. to put our client’s minds at ease. But I mean, oftentimes, and I was definitely gear of this, I’d be like, Oh, hypnosis is self hypnosis. So if it works because of you, and if it doesn’t work, it’s because of you as well. But if, if they truly believe that when they come. Then they, they wouldn’t come in because, well, if it’s all about me, then why am I paying this guy if it’s all about me and I can do it to myself?
They’re coming to us to be directed in a certain way. So I think it’s so important that we put the magic in it along with all the other cool stuff that we do to make those changes. No, you’re right. There’s something really to be highlighted there that they, they have an expectation coming into it, and I appreciate the modern trend of the process is meant to teach.
My induction is a relaxation induction because it teaches my client how to do that, and that’s great. However, go back to that initial interaction because the positioning is, it’s not a position of weakness, in my opinion. It’s a position of strength to acknowledge, here’s something I wanna do in my life, yet I don’t yet know how to do it on my own.
So they’re going into that interaction with that expectation that this is a guy, this is a girl, this is a person who can help me do this. and to break that expectation from the first interaction is that, you know, the Jerry Conline of, uh, shoot, uh, shoot yourself in the foot, Hypnosis. Yes. Yeah, No, no, I like that.
And I think, uh, yeah, I think a lot of us, a lot of us do that. And now, you know, you know, I took my pre-talk down. I stole a line that I, uh, that I took from you actually. And, uh, what was the line, how I describe hypnosis before I go into the phenomenon, Someone comes into my office, I give them the line about, I could tell you, or I could just show you.
Then I’ll do magne fingers, maybe magne, and, and I’ll say something along the lines of, um, It’s automatic reaction in spite of conscious awareness. It’s your line. I use your line. Yeah. And I said, It’s a great line. And they’ll look and they’ll be like, Oh, that’s interesting. And like, Should I show you what I mean?
They’re like, Yeah. Then I’ll do magnetic fingers, then hands, and I’ll be like, Do you see how your fingers just came together? How your hands came together? You didn’t try to make that happen. You didn’t do it consciously. No, and you also didn’t resist it cause you didn’t pull apart. They’re like, No. And I’m like, You weren’t hyp the tires, were you like, Well no I don’t think so.
Cause your eyes were open, you could see me, you could hear people come in and leave in the office building. Yet something happened that you were watching, that you were an observer to, that you didn’t feel that you were controlling at a time. They’re like, Yeah. I’m like, that’s hypnosis. So let’s play devil’s advocate on that moment when they don’t touch.
Or let me rephrase it, if they don’t touch, how do you respond to that one? I have never, I’ve never had that happen. Actually. Let me, There was no, there was, I had a interview for, uh, a magazine in Toronto University Magazine and, and I thought was gonna go in there and talk about World Hypnotism Day. Um, but, but I came a week later.
It was a bit late, so I came in there and I asked them what they wanted me to do, and a guy’s like, Well, you know, maybe you could do some hypnosis on. I’m like, Okay, sure. I’m like, I should really want to do phenomenon. I didn’t wanna do therapy with the guy, but it’s like, Yeah, I bite my nails. Can you help me with that?
I’m like, Sure. So then I set it up with magnetic fingers, you know, we know magnetic. It’s, it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s gonna work, you know, magnetic things always, unless they deliberately don’t let it work. It always works. So I set up magnetic fingers. I tell him, Don’t try, You know, don’t consciously make it happen.
I don’t want you to try and please me and just consciously move your fingers and I’ll demonstrate it. But also when your fingers start to move and they will move, and I demonstrate it, don’t, don’t resist it. Don’t pull ’em apart. Just go with it. Just watch it. It’s gonna be a cool thing. Right. I set it up like that.
The guy starts to do it, the fingers start to move as they always do. Then I see him pull his fingers away. Mm-hmm. . I’m like, Ah, okay. We got a problem already. Uh, I, I’m just, I let him do it one more time and he does it again. I stop him like, Do you see what you just did there? Yeah. He’s like, What? Did you see that your fingers started to move?
Did you see that? He’s like, Yeah. I’m like, Did you see him just before they touched you? Pulled him. He’s like, Yeah. I’m like, Don’t do that, , just let it happen all by itself. Mm-hmm. . But yeah, we, we, we need to, you know, reframe it. But I think it’s how you, you reframe it, how you set it up. You’re watching it, you’re watching a movement.
But if you can just get that at the beginning, if you can see that there’s a little bit of resistance, which we know is usually fear right at the beginning, and you can eliminate that within the first minute or two so it doesn’t come up again, rather than it starts coming up 45 minutes into the session.
Yeah. And you’ve, you know, you’ve got your next client waiting outside and you’ve gotta wrap it up, but they’re in the middle of their shit. Technical word. You know, you might be, you might be scrambling a little bit there, but if you can get those things early and just wipe ’em out, you know, it’s better to, uh, inoculate against it rather than put the fire out.
Right. You know, it’s all about building that expectation inside of the process. But you also alluded there to, you know, in a respectful way, taking control of the process, which, you know, too many people play the game. I learned this back in the old stage management career in theater. The the manager who would play the game of what was called quote, Look, don’t see, yes, Where something would happen and we would ignore it, something would happen and we go, Well, the prop’s not on the table.
They’ll thought, probably figure it out yet. Meanwhile, suddenly, They’re on stage and this essential scene is not happening because that thing was not there. Yeah. And it’s even worse in the later part to go, Well, I didn’t see it there, so I assumed it was fine. Or here’s a moment where, you know, you’re doing a Dave Development induction perhaps, and their eyes pop open at the first phase.
And yes, I’ve heard too many people go, Well, you know, I just let ’em relax cause I want the process to be easy at the. Yeah, I, uh, yeah, I’ve had that happen before. And in the old days I, I’d kind of be like, Well, what do I do now? Cause that’s the only way I’ve got of glue in someone’s eyes closed. And if I bring more awareness to it not working, uh, it makes me look like a phony or fraud or incompetent.
Mm-hmm. . So now I’ve got multiple ways of doing it. So now, If they open their eyes, we ain’t moving any further until they learn to lock their eyes. Mm-hmm. And I don’t do it in an angry way with them, but I’m just, I’ll set ’em up, you know? You know, Um, just close your eyes, relax your eyes so much. So just switch ’em off, blah, blah, blah.
The usual things that I say, um, and my, about 60% of the time it will work. Mm-hmm. , and then sometimes they open their eyes and they open their eyes. I’m like, Great. How did that feel? Like? Oh, well, yeah. It felt, Oh, felt, Yeah. Interesting. I’m like, So you just open your eyes? They’re like, Yeah, well, but you already know.
You can open and close your eyes. Right? That’s not something special. They’re like, Yeah. So now what I’m going to do, and then I’ll go into the second version of it, which has about a 80 to 90% success rate that I would do about wrapping, locking a picture that they have in their mind and wrapping a chain around it and putting their arm in the air and having the arm lower.
So I’m getting ’em to do multiple things. If it doesn’t work, I ain’t moving any further until I make it work somehow, and I don’t want it, I don’t want them to make it work by not testing. It’s like Right. I go into the client’s head and they’re like, Oh, he, he wanted me to pretend to glue my eyes, so when he asked me to test them, I’m not gonna test them.
Cause I don’t wanna upset the hypnotist. Yeah. And I want it to work. If I see them not trying it next time, I encourage them and I continue to encourage them to try to open their eyes to actually really, really notice. Try and open your eyes and notice that you can’t, and I’ll just stick with it until they have an experience of an eye lock.
I had a client who came in this weekend actually and choose, I could see she was quite anxious initially, and we started to do all these phenomenon things that we’re talking about now. They were working great, but we, I couldn’t get eye locked with her the first time. Couldn’t get eye lock with her with the second version of it.
So I’m like, Okay, so let’s take a step back. And then, um, I just showed her what I wanted her to do. Mm-hmm. , I’m like, So this is what you did. This is what I want you to do. And I reframed that real control. Is being able to follow this instruction to prove that you can allow yourself to relax totally and completely, give her back all the control, blah, blah, blah.
She did, it worked perfectly, but it took three times of doing it right, But in the old days, I would’ve got angry on some level. Maybe I wouldn’t be consciously expressing it, but I’d be like, They’re wasting my time. They’re playing games with me, blah, blah, blah. And I would get angry right inside, I’m sure would portray.
Now I see it, I’m like, Okay, next step. Okay, next step. And I, But I’ll stay with it. I’ll stay with it until I get it. And I, and I don’t, like I said, I don’t want ’em to play along with it. I want to see that tested it and I. Them to know and have that experiential learning that something changed. And then I’ll, once, I’ll get eye lock, I’ll get ’em to open their eyes and I’ll, I’ll interview ’em about that.
How was that different from the last time? What I, what I love about that is, again, getting into that mindset of we’re going to make this work, so let’s use that same example then, and let’s say it’s a client that maybe isn’t responding as well as they could. So they’ve come in for a specific change.
Let’s assume they’re doing better, yet they’re not fully there yet. Yes. Okay. So in the old days I would have, you know, a system that I, that I would use, I wanna highlight that you keep referring to in the old days. And I love that because again, it, it’s where we continuously learn, you know, it, it’s as we’re doing this that, you know, we’re getting that feedback loop and rather than going, this is the way I’ve done it for the last 10 years, no.
Um, This worked, but now this works better. . Oh yeah. Jason. The, the way I do it now is probably the same with you. It was different six months ago. Six months ago. It’s different from a year ago. A year ago. It’s different from two years ago. I’m, I’m always wanting to find quicker, more elegant, faster ways of doing what we’re doing, so, Yeah, if someone would come in and they, they, they hadn’t made those shifts or anything, again, I’d go back into the thing of blaming a client in my head.
Like, Oh, they’re, they’re just, they’ve just got all this secondary gain. They’re wasting time. They want to use me as their next excuse and all this stuff. That’s how I used to come at it, and I, I was really good at doing that. Mm-hmm. , But then I’m like, you know, real, real mastery of any skill is to be able to do the opposite, to have flexibility in our behavior.
I’m like, so why don’t I, maybe they’re not aware that they’re doing this, so why don’t I just ask ’em what’s going on? Yeah. And just listen to the things that they’re not saying. As well as some of the stuff they’re saying. And when I would do that, stuff would come up, they wouldn’t be aware of, and rather than the script that I had that I was ready or that next technique that I would always have to do in session two, I’d throw that script out the window and be like, Actually, you know what they need X and X might be something, another technique that you know, hadn’t used for many, many years from NLP or C B T or another hypnotic technique.
And to be honest, as I often tell my clients, I might just make it up. Mm-hmm. . And, um, it’s what they need in that moment, and it’s something that I feel that they need. We do it and it works more profoundly. Well, in many ways, we are, I, I think in our best approach, making it up as we go yet it’s that experience meeting with training, meeting with listening to the client and then matching the whole process together.
Exactly. And I think, you know, when, when you’ve been doing it a long time, Like we’ve been doing it, it’s you, you start to do that automatically, whereas when you’re beginning, you’re like, Well, what’s step one? What’s step two? What’s step three? And, and, and it’s important to have those stability wheels on your bike when you, when you’re learning any new skill.
But I think, you know, sometimes if I look, if I look at my sessions, If I, if I recorded all my sessions and looked at ’em, they don’t always go smoothly from beginning to end. There’s some bumpy patches in there, and all those elegant, beautiful techniques that I want to hit perfectly might not sound perfect yet.
The clients respond to it perfectly and yet the change that they want. So at the end of the day, for me, it’s like, did they get the result that they want? Or at least were they satisfied with the work that we did? Is there a story that comes to mind of working with a client where, let’s say it did kind of derail, it wasn’t quite going as well as you had wanted it to, but then you were able to get it right back on track.
Okay, I’ll give you this story. So, um, I had a guy recently who had a phobia of going to the, uh, bathroom in public. In fact, it would fire off if he was in his car for more than 10 minutes. He would have this overwhelming. Urge to, to go to the bathroom, number one. Number two, whatever he is doing within 10 minutes, uh, he had been able to see his girlfriend for three months.
Very intellectual guy. He was a pharmacist. Very, very smart guy. Um, he’d seen doctors and like, there’s no physical reason for this. There’s nothing wrong with you, but it was, it was really, it cared. A lot of shame about it. He didn’t know how to deal with it. So had a, had. Screening call over the phone. It went really, really well.
Um, you paid it upfront for it. Amazing. Um, and then, um, you know, when it, it’s on my website, uh, it’s on the contract that clients signed. It’s in the initial email that, that I send out to them, uh, when they’ve signed up to work with me. You know, once people have paid, there is no refunds. We’re gonna do the work together.
Once you play deposit on money, there’s no refund. We we’re off to the races. You can change session times if you want, but, but that’s it. So basically a couple days later he, um, wanted to, to cancel the sessions cuz he did. Cause I, I wasn’t gonna be able to see him for a couple of weeks because I live in Toronto.
He lived in Ottawa. Um, but he didn’t tell me. But he needed it immediately. He also then started, Oh, can I, can I get my insurance back from this? And he didn’t ask me that on the phone. He asked it after he paid it. I’m like, Why? Don’t know. It’s something you need to check after the fact, um, with your insurance company.
Um, if you can reclaim any of this. Long story short, he wanted to refund. I’m like, There is no refund. I’m happy to work with you. I’m happy to do all this work with you, which I know is very, very important to you, but I’m not gonna give you a refund. Got very, very upset with me. Wrote me some angry emails, accusing me of all kinds of things, uh, before I’d never see him.
He went to see a psychologist or another hypnotist didn’t get the result. So then a month later he emails me back, Well, cuz I can’t get my money back. Um, I’m gonna come and see you. So I’m already thinking this is gonna be a nightmare. He’s gonna be completely resistant. He thinks I’ve screwed him in some way.
Um, this is, this gonna be horrible. So we . So I’m like, uh, so he comes in. And we do the hypnosis to begin with. And, um, he comes in the next day and he comes in the next day and I, I’m ready for it, right? I’m ready for him to say, Oh, enough it worked and this is a crock of shit, whatever. And he comes in and he starts to tell me about these profound changes that have happened already, that now he’s just been in a car for 45 minutes because he wanted to test this problem that he had to see if it was.
And remember, we had no rapport going into this, right. He thought I was a con man essentially. And, and so I’m like, he had a couple more sessions and you know what he said to me? He’s like, I wish I had just come to see you at the beginning. Rather than go and see these other people. I’m like, You know what?
I feel exactly the same. But yeah, he, we went into it a tremendous resistance, but when he started to get the changes against that resistance, it was amazing. It kind of blew my mind as. Which brings to mind, I mean, there’s so many moments I can think of, of here I am with a client where I was perhaps wrongfully in my head, you know, doubting the motivation, doubt.
There’s a guy I’m working with right now that, uh, just eventually I learned this is just who he is. That, uh, everything on the phone was. Wow, that cost is really high. You know, what can you do for this? What can you do for that? And I honestly had sent him a message just going, You know, every interaction has been about me rather than about you and your goal.
So I’ve just gotta say, uh, please understand, I’m actually someone who doesn’t screen as heavily as others do. I mean, in the, the, the favorite quote is from Michael Elner, which would be, You’re only taking the easy ones. You know, they’re, they’re coming up with their own. Um, it’s very often some kind of defense mechanism, um, as to whatever it would be.
But this is a guy that I was just in my head, No, he’s not ready. And turned out to just be rockstar client video testimonials about to go up on the website. Um, Which again, it’s, it kind of goes to the side of where you kept referring to your old hypnosis self that, you know, the old phrase used to be resistant client and really it’s that of the inflexible practitioner.
Yeah. So it’s calling ourselves out on our own BS at times, calling ourselves out on, Well, this is how it’s supposed to go. No, I’m supposed to give that 45 minute pre-talk. That’s what I’m supposed to do. And as you reference, they were glazing over and not in the way that you wanted them. Exactly. Yeah. No, no, totally.
And, um, I think, you know, as any good hypnotist, hypnotherapist, stage hypnotist, street hypnotist is like, like in the old days there would be karate in martial arts, there would be judo, there would be, um, Thai fighting. Um, And, and the, the Thai fighter would say, My system is better than karate. And the karate practitioner would say, My system is better than judo.
And eventually mma, mixed martial arts came along and they’re like, Well, we can steal a bit of this, a bit of this, a bit of this to make an ultimate fighter. And I still wanna kinda look at hypno hypnosis. Is it, If we can get a little bit of that stage persona, we get a little bit of that street persona and a little bit of that hypnotherapy along with some other stuff.
And, and we combine it so we can go in any directions. Because for me, the ultimate, the ultimate kind. Oh, what’s the word I’m looking for? Maybe mastery of any skill is, is you can do it on someone who’s kind of not expecting it. Meaning like the David Blaine in the old days, not, not now that he’s a megastar, but, but the street to magic stuff and the street hypnotist stuff where they haven’t paid you a bunch of money to come in and, and fix their problem.
They haven’t bought a ticket to a show. They’re simply walking from A to B hypnotist comes outta nowhere. And then start to elicit in amazing responses in people who didn’t expect it. For me, that’s kind of like, that’s a beautiful thing to do, and I always urge people that who are in this field go and do a better stage.
Go and do some street hypnosis to really hone what you do and then just combine it all together. Well, there’s the phrase of, uh, Jeffrey Ronning had the line about, uh, the, the Navy SEAL hypnotist that to jump into these types of arenas that he would give the advice of go to a show in a place that normally doesn’t book entertainment and doesn’t have a stage.
Mm. Okay. And if you can and if you can pull it off there, you’re gonna be pretty unstoppable, you know, for, for us to go into. And yes, I say this is this. Big part of my business to go into a this week. Um, it got delayed due to snow, but here I am about to jump into a stage hypnosis show for a bunch of 17 year olds at a high school at midnight, and they’re gonna be wound up on caffeine and they’re gonna be wound up on sugar and everything else they’ve been doing that night as a party.
Yeah, I, I don’t have to work hard. Um, yeah. Here’s the one coming in by way of let’s, let’s put that into the hypnotherapy context. Here’s, um, you know, we, we talk about word of mouth and sometimes you. The mouth and here’s this guy who came in recently and I think today is actually made up entirely of clients that he has now since referred.
Um, Awesome. I’m not having to work hard with those people yet. Yeah, it, it’s that one coming, and I may be guilty of this cuz I’ve built my business specifically targeting people who are already looking for hypnosis. I’ve already got that confirmation bias in place and it’s working really well for me.
But at the same time to, to completely shift that expectation, um, you know, my phrasing is that we’re bending their reality. We’re breaking the old reality and helping them to install a new one. Very good. I, uh, I should probably trademark it before I say it on your show, , but I, I have an idea to start calling myself the mind whisperer.
I like it. Yes, I like it. It’s already been filed on my side. Good luck you Americans. I know. I know, although I’ve since it’s a longer story, but found out that a trademark is about as good as the participation award for the losing soccer team, uh, at least in the us Yeah. It’s the, it’s the gatekeeper prior to the copyright, but that’s all a whole longer conversation.
Was there, was there a specific inspiration, uh, whether it’s a book, a trainer, an instructor, that helped to build this renaissance in terms of how you approach your process nowaday. Yeah. You know what nowadays is, like I said, still from a lot of people, and over the last couple of years, I, I, I, I’ve gone this way, I’ve gone this way, I’ve gone this way.
But there’s the, the person who’s made the, the, the, the biggest impact in how I do things now, at least a lot of what I do now, probably somebody that, that doesn’t get, doesn’t, I don’t believe gets enough respect in the hypnosis community is a fellow by the name of Justin Trance. Mm-hmm. and, uh, no, I’ve, I’ve watched a lot of his staff and, and I’m like, you know, that’s really.
It’s like that I wanna be doing magic with people, essentially, Right? I want, and I want them to feel the magic and do the therapy kind of behind the scenes. So yeah, I think this, this Renaissance, as you say, is a lot of the stuff is, you know, stuff that I’ve lovingly stolen from, I paid some of this stuff.
Yeah, no, I mean, it comes from that respect of this is how it should look. If I could really do this, what would it look like? Yes. Which goes back to the, David Blain referenced that part of David Blain’s success was that for the first time, the camera was being turned on. The audience and magicians around the world were going, Yeah, but I can do that card trick here.
Watch. Yet he wasn’t the guy who just walked to you, walked up to you on the street and said, Think of a card, or, Hey, watch this, and suddenly floated off the ground. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It all seems very, very simple. Right? Some of these great. You know, that happened, but it’s just that we, we didn’t have the idea, or we had the idea, but we didn’t action it.
Yeah. Yeah. So putting it into action, uh, I’ve also heard you lovingly refer to a book that I love as well of provocative therapy. Provocative therapy. Yeah, and you know what? Frank Farley’s got some great stuff, but, uh, I’m sure you’ve probably heard of Ergen Rasmussen who’s got, um, provocative hypnosis and prog provocative suggestion.
He’s got some really good stuff that I’ve, uh, that I’ve modeled from him over the time as well. And I’ve liked a lot of his approaches to things as well, um, that I’ve, that I’ve used in the work that I do. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. So then let’s rewind it back then, and we’ve got a good idea of someone comes into your office and immediately you’re into a hypnotic moment.
Immediately you’re into something of an experiential nature. How does the rest of the process play out for you? Yeah, So, so typically now, I, I, I stack it very, very heavy with hypnotic phenomenon. Mm-hmm. at the beginning. I love to talk. Right. I’m very, very auditorily driven. Yet I, I, I find again from that, that, that I take from, um, Justin Trans is, it’s about not thinking, it’s about feeling.
Yes. And I’ll tell people is, you know, um, if you could fix this consci. You wouldn’t be here right now. So today isn’t about you thinking anything. If you wanna analyze anything, that’s fine, but you’re gonna do it tomorrow morning. Cause today you’re gonna feel something. Mm. Cause we’re all about feeling.
So to begin with, actually, I’ll, I’ll actually, I start to do muscle testing, uh, that I, that I stole, that I modeled, sorry, from, um, Oh, Ken, Go. That I, that I took from Ken go. So sort. I’ll come in and I’ll muscle test them. I’ll, I’ll get ’em to hold their arm out to their side and I’ll, I’ll talk about, Look, look, make your arm really, really strong.
Don’t let me push it down. Have two fingers. Can’t push it down. I’ll then do emotional with my hand, and their hand comes down and the arm comes down rapidly. I’m like, Wow. It’s as if all your energy just, just, just disappeared and left you your strength. That doesn’t happen all the time. I’ll get ’em to hold up their arm again.
Maybe it was a fluke. Don’t let me push down. I can’t push down. I’ll do another gesture or. Touch them on their forehead, all their energy and their muscle and their scr will go away. And already they’re in that wow moment. Like, What the hell? This guy’s doing some voodoo on me. And they’re already, they’re already like, something’s happening here.
They might not know how it relates to removing their problem, but something’s happen. Um, then what I might do from there is I’ll give them that one sentence that I talk, talk from you about hypnosis. Um, basically the definition. Definition, I. It’s like, uh, automatic reaction in spite of, uh, conscious awareness.
I’ll do a magnetic fingers, I’ll do a magnetic hands. I’ll compliment their unconscious mind. Do you see how strong your unconscious mind is? Do you see how strong hypnosis is? Like Yeah. I’m like, You’re on a hypnotized. Are, you’re like, No. I’m like, What just happened? Like, I don’t know. Did you do some kind of energy?
Why did my hands move? I’m like, You didn’t do that consciously, did you? Like, No, it just happened. I’m like, You’re just gonna let hypnosis. To you today. See cuz you’ve tried so long and so hard to quit smoking, to lose weight, to let go of this sadness you’ve tried and that try and was very, very valiant that you tried, but it hasn’t worked for you.
So today, your struggle and the try and stops and just as your fingers came together, just as your hands come together and whatever else I did with them, you are just gonna allow it to happen and observe it happen for you. And they start to get. Then I’ll get ’em to stand up and, uh, I’ll do, do a sway while sway someone’s body back and forth.
I’ll then do some magic that I stole from Justin Trance, where, where I’ll say, Fill this and they’ll completely lose their balance and fall forward or fall back, which is really cool. I’ll make their arm move up all by itself without touching it, and their eyes are open. I’m like, What’s happening? That I don’t know, but my arm’s moving up all by itself.
And I’m like, Yeah. And as you continue to watch it, it’s gonna go higher and higher. So their mind’s getting blown by all this stuff. I’ve already, I already know what their problem is, cuz without a 30 minute screening call, they’re filled out a comprehensive questionnaire. I know why they’re there. And I tell ’em on the phone, when you fill out that screening form.
Spill the beans, put everything on that form cuz that’s the last time we really talk about your problem. So now when they come in, we don’t really talk about their problem anymore. Then, um, you know, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll ask ’em. Scale of one to 10, how big is your problem, your smoking craving, your craving for this food, your sadness, whatever it is.
They’ll give me a number. They’ll say it’s an eight. I’ll muscle test it. And, uh, their, their, their body will often tell them a completely different number. Like if someone comes in and say they wanna quit smoking, I’ll say, Hold out your arm and say you wanna quit smoking? Don’t let me push down. And I say, Yeah, I wanna quit smoking.
And their arm comes all the way down indicating a no in muscle testing, and they’ll be like, No, but I really wanna quit smoking. I’m like, Well, tell your arm that. So then I’ll give them some metaphors. Um, I’ll then do a rapid induction. I never used to do rapid inductions, but I find that, um, they love it.
They love it. So I’ll, I’ll do a rapid induction oftentimes where I’ll take somebody to the ground, um, and I’ll have a lovely blanket that I’ll put on them and I’ll, I’ll, I’ll pick up their headdress safely and I’ll put a pillow underneath. They’re on the ground, they won’t move. And then, um, I, I’ll, I’ll, So if it’s a first session, I generally will do suggestions and parts.
Um, over the issue, um, if it’s something that I’m seeing them from multiple, multiple issues, all that time’s taken up, you know, probably 30, 40 minutes is taken up doing all the core stuff. There isn’t a lot of time doing the therapy, but their mind is generalized, Well, this happened, this happened, this happened, this happened.
Well, that must happen, that the problems changed. So if they come in, it, it, I, if it’s smoking, it’s generally one session. If it’s anything else, it’s up to four sessions. They come in for the second sessions, I find out where they are, what’s working, what isn’t working for them. And I might do some regression, but like a timeline therapy version of regression where uh, we can get people above the event before the event.
Um, and some other techniques just, I used to use timeline therapy to clear out people’s negative emotions. Anger, sadness, guilt, and shame. And it would take her, it would take about an hour to an hour and a half to do all that with people. It took too much time. So then I stole some techniques from a lady called, uh, name escapes me right now.
Mike Kaba. She’s a British lady and she lives in Niagara. Uh, Doctor Yvonne. O Osmond, Dr. Is Dr. Yvonne Osmond. Uh, she calls it mind magic. It’s a way of clearing out negative emotions of the, the four that I just mentioned, uh, all in about a minute. And it, it works, it works really amazing. So I clear out, clear out all those negative emotions in less than 10 minutes, all of them.
So the structure is, even if they don’t think their problem, there’s anger involved in their problem or sadness, it’s like knocking the legs off of that table. So then it’s a lot easier to deal with that problem. Um, obviously I’m doing. Uh, suggestion in there as well. Metaphor, I’m doing some NLP stuff. Um, yeah, I mean, it, it changes, but I just, it’s like, what, what tool do I need to get this, this, this problem fixed today?
Which I’ll tell you what I love about that the most, that from the start and even through the process as well, um, Something that have come to really appreciate is the difference between showing versus telling. Mm. Yeah. That I, that I think is, you know, uh, as hypnotist classically, we’ve told too much, and definitely as business people, we’ve told too much.
Um, there’s a quote from a guy by the name of, Uh, Derek Silvers, I think I’ve referenced him before. He’s the founder of the website, uh, cdba.com, which is probably what iTunes was before there was iTunes. Okay. And the phrase was, uh, if everything in life came down to having the right strategies, we would all be billionaire CEOs with six pack abs.
Yes. Which is horribly unfair because again, Derek Silvers as a billionaire CEO with six pack apps, but it’s where there’s no lack of knowledge. There’s no lack of strategy. We know what we should be doing, and to sit there and talk at the client, even to talk to the client is definitely valid, but to share the hypnotic experience with them where things are happening, things are interacting, and they’re getting that feeling of the change immediately that I.
You know, if I had to make a bold statement around it, the most perfect suggestion, without any magic versus the good enough suggestion, with the magic, with the magic in there, it’s gonna become even more powerful. Totally. Because now they’ve got something to hang the shingle of change off of. Because as you just rightfully said, it’s an experience and I think oftentimes we forget about that.
We talk at our clients, we bore our clients, we tell ’em lovely stories, but they don’t necessarily feel when anything’s happening. But when we make things physically happen with them, they feel it. As opposed to just think it. They’re involved in the experience, They’re in the movie, they’re not watching it anymore.
They’re partaking in it and they start to feel it. And I think it’s so important. I think a lot of us miss those opportunities cause we’re afraid. What happens if it doesn’t work? What happens if they open their eyes? What happens if they don’t allow their body to fall forward? What if, what if, What if I was in the.
The other night, and, uh, I was on a date and I, I just finished working. So I, my hypnosis, uh, t-shirt on and, uh, I go up to get my Diet Coke and, uh, you know, I’m a, I’m an interesting looking guy. So I’ve got these funky rings on skulls and these two chaps stop me like I really like you. Really like your rings, bro.
And I’m like, Oh, cool, thanks. And like, Where did you get ’em? I’m like, Do you wanna know where I got my rings from? They’re like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where’d you get ’em from? I’m like, Wow. You know what? There’s this little place called eBay and it cost about 10 bucks. And they started laughing. And I look at my tshirt like, You’re a, you’re a hypnotist.
I’m like, Yeah, like, can you hypnotize me now? I’m like, Sure. Get off the store, put your feet together, don’t let them move. And I go straight into it and one of the guys as a, a Facebook live stream going on that I didn’t realize, just starts to film it. So I get all these cool, funky physical phenomenon.
Everyone stops, everyone watches. I’ve got this guy rocking back and forth. And he is friends watching it. He goes, That looks great, but I bet you can’t do it with me. Great. Stand up, put your feet together. Don’t move your feet. Do it with him as what? And they’re like, Oh my God, this, this, this is amazing.
How did, And and I just do magnetic fingers with one of the, And you know, it’s quite a simple process that pretty much works all of the time. And it blew his mind. He’s like, Are you doing voodoo? And he starts freaking out and running around the bar and he comes back and he is like, Actually, do you help people with physical problems?
Cause I saw on your card, my mom has osteo rf, right? She said, You can help her with that. And you know, I don’t, I didn’t go into it to sell anything. I just go, went. Let’s, let’s, let’s demonstrate. Cause I love to show off. I love to demonstrate this kind of stuff. And they, they felt some magic. Like, Well, well, maybe this guy could help me.
And I think that now when I go to networking meetings again, people say, Oh, you’re a hypnotist. Uh oh, tell me about what you’d tell me about it. I’m like, Well, I could tell you or I could show you. You could show me right now in front of all these people and all this noise. Sure. Put your feet together, Don’t move your feet.
Yeah. And now they remember me, forget about the business card and all those lovely words and certificates. They had an experience with me of some kind of magic happening in their mind, and now they remember it because there’s a quote that I’m sure I’m gonna misquote, but you know, most of us forget the things we’ve been told.
If you give someone an experience that they’re in, They never forget that. Yeah. The basic phrasing is that they’ll remember how you made them feel. Thank you. I’m butscher, I’m butchering the first half, so I didn’t even bother . Thank you. No. What I’m flashing to are, um, my, one of my character flaws, which I’m okay with, is that if I’m in a car and I’m listening to music, I fall asleep behind the wheel.
And, um, that’s frowned upon apparently. So I I know. So I listen. That’s part of where the, the passion for all things podcasts and even standup comedy came into play because it’s something interactive. And I’ve heard so many times the, the comedian example of. You’re a comedian, tell me a joke in the response of that’s not exactly how it works.
It’s more long form stories and they’re just standing there glazing over, as opposed to, Okay, well these two people walk it, you know, have something at its disposal. Which again, the difference of showing versus telling. Yes, absolutely. It’s, There’s also something to be said about, and, and I, I’ve, I’ve explored this before when I was working high schools more heavily, um, and I even used this principal with weight loss.
The concept of a power statement, something that you can say that suddenly just interrupts whatever pattern is there and suddenly you have control of the communication. So it’s how with the weight loss client, the experience of, and there’s two of them I’ve played with of dining out, Hey, instead of this, could I get that?
I’ll pay extra. Yeah. You know that, that realization that they do have control. Or Hey, that’s probably gonna be a big portion. Could you just serve me half and bring the other half out to go? Big smile. I’m a good tipper. Yeah. And it always gets a smile out of the server and suddenly you’re, you know, you’re the hero provided you’ve followed through
Um, you know, when working with high schools, the number of times that have a principal or some administrators say, You’re not going to get them quiet. Just do the best. And suddenly, um, the simple phrasing. My job today is to make sure you all have a great time. I only can do that if you all can be the best audience.
Sound good. And I stop talking at that point and it in a matter of sometimes even at most 10 seconds, I’ve got absolute focus from the audience. Yes. So that, that phrase that you use there of I can tell you or I can show you. Yeah. Which again, suddenly that’s, that’s the game changer. That’s suddenly the pattern is interrupted and you’re not the my version of the round table network.
I’m a banker, I’m a realtor, I’m a banker, I’m a realtor. Suddenly, oh, this is different. Yes, and that’s it For me, it’s like we, you know, from nlp, there’s one of the meta programs is sort in by sameness or difference, you know, for the, in my whole life, I’ve always been a difference guy. You know, I just, I will go into a room and I will.
For the people who stick out for some reason, because those are my people. Those are the people I wanna hang out with. Mm-hmm. , because everyone, el, most people, especially these, you know, these networking meetings, they’re, they’re square pegs trying to fit into a square hole. Everyone, like you said, there’s the realtor, there’s the lawyer, there’s the.
ABO person. Yep. All these and, and then when we come in there and we do what we do, and you know, people, it’s easy to forget about what they do. Cause we’ve met so many realtors, so many lawyers, so many ABO persons, the hypnotist comes in there and they’re different. They stick out yet we also need to do something a little extra on top of that.
I, I flashback to a time where, uh, admittedly this was the experience of a graphic designer and a printer playing with new technologies, what’s called spot uv, that only the logo on my business card is glossy. Okay. Which I could care less about, um, , but it’s where a friend of mine looks at it and goes, it says hypnotist.
Why do you need anything beyond that? Mm. Which just to own that role and to own that responsibility. And, you know, back to the magic side of things, uh, the familiar name, of course of Jean Eugene, Robert Huan. Exactly. Uh, who was quoted by saying, back, I think at the 18 hundreds, that a magician is an actor playing the role of a magician.
Yes. And to bring that into the hypnosis, that there’s an expectation, again, back to the very beginning, that there’s an expectation that the client, the audience member, the person who discovers this is what you do, that we need to rise and meet that expectation as well. Totally. Yeah. Absolutely. This has been awesome.
Where can, where can people find you online, Luke? Yeah. People can find [email protected]. Luke is in l k, my name and Nosis is N O ss.com. All my information’s there along with my YouTube channel and all that good stuff. Yeah, and I’ve seen you been putting up some new videos up there too. We’ll link to some of those over in the show notes as well.
That would be lovely. Yeah. Yeah. What do you have, uh, coming up this, uh, this coming. So this coming year I will be at Hypno Foot, which is, went to my first one last year. It was awesome. In August, uh, I’m gonna be given a talk called How to Bring the Magic back into Your Hypnosis Process, where I’m gonna be teaching, uh, other hypnotists and change workers how to actually.
Practically put these skills, um, into work in their therapeutic sessions, which will be a lot of fun, Hands on workshop. Uh, and then I’m doing a post conference, which is how to make a thousand dollars a day as a stop smoking specialist, where basically I’m not just gonna teach you how to the specifics with the hypnosis that you need to use to stop people from stopping smoking, which you can get.
Um, but I’m also gonna have the whole business model behind it, how you market it, how your website should look, the kind of videos you should make, how you go through sales calls, sales scripts, follow up sessions if you need it. The whole A to the Z. So my goal is if when you leave that one day training you, if you, with the skills that you will learn here, You will start making money immediately because you will have the whole A to the Z of everything you need to do from leaving to start making money.
Being a stop smoking specialist. No stone will be unturned. So whole business in a box. Outstanding. I love it. Luke, this has been fantastic. Thank you very much, Jason. All right. I’ll see you soon.
But wait, there’s more. Hey, it’s. Jason Lynette here, and as always, thank you so much for interacting with this program, for your feedback online, for your reviews over on iTunes, and to learn a little bit more about shifting this mindset towards hypnosis. What Luke kept referring to in this, uh, session was the concept of redefining hypnosis, as I would phrase it.
Automatic response in spite of conscious awareness. So it’s not just about teaching your clients some better strategies, sometimes it’s going in and just creating that new automatic response, that new normal, that new way of living. So think about this for a moment. Do we want to model the change? Of someone else who has overcome the same problem.
You know, years ago I dropped about 30 or 40 pounds. Do I model the experience of what someone else did to drop 30 or 40 pounds or do I instead start living as if I was that person who never had to deal with that weight in the first place? And that was the mindset behind it. And that’s really a philosophy to the change process that you’ll learn inside of hypnotic workers.
Hypnotic workers is the entire digital access library to my entire hypnotherapy training. Rather than just give you a course on a few inductions, a couple of deepeners, rather than sell you a product on anchoring or whatever these individual things are, as we like to say, it’s all about opening up the digital brain dump.
Everything all at once. So it becomes a huge, your own adventure method of learning hypnosis. So whether it’s the specific work on hypnotic phenomenon that we both talked about, the suggestibility test, putting the whole process together, kinesthetic methods for change that you will not find anywhere else, well, you’re able to jump right into hypnotic workers for just $47.
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