Session #147: Derek Chapman on Highlighting Hypnotic Change

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This is the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast, session number 147 Derek Chapman on highlighting Hypnotic Change. Welcome to the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast with Jason Lynette, your professional resource for hypnosis training and out. Standing Business success. Here’s your host, Jason Lynette. Welcome back. It’s Jason Lynette here with a content packed conversation with Derek Chapman.

Derek is from the Grimsby area of the United Kingdom, and I first met Derek as the way things go in 2018. First interacting on Facebook. He was one of the attendees at the uh, course that I did with Sean Michael Andrews out in Vegas in March, 2017, and just. First interaction. Seeing that Derek, as I like to say, is a true hypnotic worker.

Someone who you’re gonna hear his origin story in this conversation. Someone who utilized the process for his own, change the hypno bug bit, and then jumped in with. Both feet, the entire body, into an incredible career of helping others. And you’re gonna hear the passion in the dialogue here exactly as to how more than half of the clients coming into his business these days are coming in directly by way of referral.

And let me give you some points that I want you to be listening for in this conversation, that we can talk about our pre-talk in terms of how to dispel the myths and misconceptions of hypnosis or. Rewind back to episode number one of this podcast series where I talked about my all positive pre-talk, which is that we can also use our pre-talk to condition the client for a more successful experience.

Though understand we can apply this pre-talk principle on top of even this change strategies we’re gonna use inside of our client sessions. So Derek, in the shape of talking of timeline therapy, gives the beautiful pre-talk metaphor. Something like Google Maps, or even I’d imagine more so Google Earth, that you’re able to zoom in and zoom out and change that perspective rapidly.

And just that little bit of a nuance suddenly allows the process to become much more streamlined, much more effective. The title of this. Conversation. We decided to call it highlighting hypnotic change. As we jump in with full focus towards this idea of testing your work, getting that feedback, and specifically his language around, you’ll notice the change grows even stronger as other people comment upon the change.

That’s a paraphrase. He said it in an even more beautiful way of building these. Little seeds along the way where the client is gonna be noticing their change process. And I’ll give a quick plug here of course, for his, uh, for his information as well as his product, the anxiety wheel. Head over to DC Mind Coach as in Derek Chapman, mind coach.com, dc mind coach.com.

You’ll see more about Derek and his services as well as his anxiety wheel program as well. I’d also encourage you to head over to hypnotic workers. Dot com. This is my entire digital all access pass to my hypnotherapy training library, talking about strategies for change, talking about strategies for enhancing the hypnotic experience, as well as giving you full unedited client sessions from start to finish.

We don’t need any more scripts as hypnotist. Instead, what we need are transcripts, and that’s why nearly every single word of hypnotic workers, not just the client session demonstrations. But even the teaching mechanisms as well, to actually see the specific language. It’s not about the magic words though.

Kind of going back to this conversation you’re about to hear with Derek sometimes, having just those right magic words at the right moment, having the right metaphor at the right time. That’s what sets this, sets this up for outstanding. Success. So with that, let’s jump directly into this phenomenal conversation.

Derek, thank you so much for joining me on this program. This is session number 147 Derek Chapman on highlighting hypnotic change.

I’ve always been interested in, well, since about 1985. I was studying self-help books. I never came across hypnotherapy as such till about another year. I, I was reading Banda books and, uh, Tony Robbins course and stuff like that. Um, then I came across, um, an advert. Um, it was to lose weight. So I, I, I thought I’m putting on some pounds here and this stuff really works.

So I, I, I, my mind was open to stuff cuz I already read these self help books and stuff. Then I saw a hypnotherapist called Susan Za. In London who’s still practiced to this day. And it worked really well for me and I thought, this is amazing. So that was in my back of my subconscious mind and 30 years later, basically I was, um, in a mark.

Well, I’d done lots of things. I’ve been in the forces and, uh, in marketing for the last 15 years, working full-time. And I fell into it like a lot of hypnotherapist. I’ve heard your podcast say that it just sort of happened sort of thing. It’s some sort of, I dunno, mystical, magical calling or whatever. And I went away for this weekend.

It was called Be Your Potential by Joseph Cluff. And I was selected from the audience. Um, they said, Does anyone hear. , uh, feel that they don’t, um, they don’t feel good enough. And I thought ping something in inside me sort of really sort of resonated with that. Does anyone feel they’re not good enough or does anyone feel they want more confidence?

And I thought, Well, that’s why I’m here. And they said, um, does want a nine deniable process to that all that. That garbage go. And I thought, Yeah, I’m up for this. And I put my hand in the air and I thought, Oh my God, I put my hand in the air now and there’s like, uh, 60 or 70 people in the audience. Now what do I do?

Cause I, I, there I was, I was quite uncompetent. Um, and I used that story for my clients as well. Um, then I went to the stage because they selected me from the audience. Uh, then I thought that was my biggest nightmare now. Cause I’m facing like, um, 120, these eyeballs are staring at me. And Joseph Club said, Just close your eyes and relax.

And I always. Closing my eyes and, uh, saying it’s easy for you to say. And as I closed my eyes a beat, it, perspiration was on my forehead, my hands were shaking. I basically a heated parts integration on me. And, and I immediately changed. It was like a, a night and day sort of thing from the person I used to be.

It was like, It was crazy. I mean, I felt really good in myself. Um, all those parts were aligned, if you like, and I had such a buy-in. It was amazing. I mean, the people after that course came up to me as 17 people. I counted them in in a row. So I said, Well, you look so much more confident now, and or you, or you.

You know, so much more approachable. I thought if somebody else says that, I’m gonna hit him. Cause it was almost like a, a, an insult sort of thing. It was getting out of hand. So anyway, um, I went back to my job cause I was still, um, full time and I thought, Yeah, I can change things now. So I tested it out.

So I like to test things out. It’s so, I thought, let’s, this is quite good. Um, I thought Seth’s, let’s see. We can do this. So I went to, I booked myself on three seminars cuz normally I, I’d be panicking about seminars and I wasn’t, I didn’t have any sweaty hands and they were, they were fine. And then, um, I booked myself on another one and another one and everything was going great.

Then I asked my boss and said, By the way, I think it’s about time I had to pay rise. And he sort of backed away in the chair and. How much do you want ? And that, it was crazy. Uh, I thought this was really good, but I mean, I was in some, some place I, it was, there was no challenge there, you know. Um, so that same year I booked on, um, Joseph CL and Paul Cliff’s course to do NLP and hypnotherapy.

It was like a, I think a 10 or 11 day course took time out on holiday. I didn’t tell anybody I was doing this at work, and uh, I came back and I’m one of those people who, who just does it. I don’t question it. I think if you question it too much, can I do this and that sort of stuff. You, you can hesitate too much, never actually get, gets off the ground.

But I just did it and I, I, I became a natural because. Um, even though today a lot of people on that course haven’t actually made a career of it, I think I just, I just, I just really enjoyed it. I’m just myself, but what, um, sets me apart, I think a lot of people say is, cause I’m down to work. I tell it like it is.

I don’t put no, hes and graces on. I work from home and, uh, it’s not a job. I think if I had a, to go to an office, um, it was seemed like a. Excuse the old thing. People are trying to contact me. I don’t have to turn that off. But, um, you know, and, and now, you know, after three years of doing it part-time, um, I thought, yeah, cause even part-time, um, Jason, I was seeing like, um, five clients on an evening Monday to Friday.

Then the weekend I see like 10. It was going crazy. So I was seeing like, um, 20 clients a week part-time and working a full-time job. And I’d done that for like three years and I thought, well also I was training cause I’m a bit of a hy no junkie as well, , um, you know, you get those of those people. I was actually going find a cure for that.

You know, I sort of joke in Facebook group, so I, I, I found a cure to. Conquer people of their hypno obsession. Cause you can get really obsessed in this. I think when people, it becomes so obsessed. Isn’t, it’s crazy. I mean, your partners really suffering. I think. Oh God, here he goes on about hypnosis again.

That’s all I get. You know, . Yeah. Yeah. It’s like a, it’s, it’s a vocation. It’s not like a job, you know? I wish And this year I’m gonna cut down on the courses cause I’ve worked out, I’ve spent about, well I did spend, I spent about 30,000 pound a year on my training. And that’s like about, so I worked out, I think, um, Felix economics, he, he was.

He did 150, I think. So I, I’m, I’m slowly gonna cut back on that and, um, have a sort of a work more of a work life life balance. I’m not, I’m just hearing in the back of this tone, it’s like I can stop if I want to. It’s not a problem. Yeah. Yeah. , it’s, it’s, even I go on holiday, it’s like I, I carry on doing the same thing.

It just, you know, I came on a holiday, uh, uh, I was in Bangkok a few months ago, and the waitress, uh, said, What do you do for a living? Oh, I’m a hemotherapy. Oh, I suffered deeply with anxiety. And I thought, Well, quick process. And she’s, and she’s fixed as such. And then I do my calibration. Cause I was calibrate.

I’m there for like 10 days I think it was. How are you doing today? Oh, I’m good, thanks. Great. Yeah, and I. Introduced her to my anxiety wheel course, which I got online there, and she, she did that and she, she did me a glowing result. So I, I always use, you know, that’s how I get known because, you know, you give something away, you get something back.

Um, getting back to the story. So after three years, um, full time, I decided to go. Sorry, full time working, uh, in my marketing job, I decided to go full time as a hip therapist, and I’ve done that now for, When was it? Uh, last year would’ve been I think 2017. Yeah, 2017. So I’ve been doing it full time since then.

And my accountant, no, sorry, 2016 and my account, and after, I think it was about eight months that I think you need to go limited, which is like a public limited company. I dunno what is in America. Mm-hmm. , was it what’s over there? Something like that. Yeah. Often the times the difference between, um, the simplest one is the difference between being taxed as a sole proprietor versus now.

Uh Yeah. Which an LLC is often taxed the same way, but I’m technically now an llc which is taxed as, taxed as what’s called an S corp. We’re basically, you’re an employee of your own business. That’s right. Yeah. So I’m, that was only after about eight months he advised me to do that. Yeah. Cuz I was making so much, you know, we see him making so much money.

Which side note, uh, neither of us are professional accountants or lawyers chat with yours, but again, Exactly. Oh my God. It’s such a tax savings. But anyway, . Yeah. Yeah. Well it is. Yeah. Um, so things are going really well. I’m, you know, like I say, I’ve. It, it is an obsession. I’ve been trained by even yourself there.

I mean, Joseph Pla, I, I’ve a few names of people I’ve, I trained with was Joseph Pla, Barry Thane, Bob Burns hat up to him. He was the first guy that said to me, You should charge for his consultations. He said, 20 quit and nine I now charged 30 pound for a consultation. Mm-hmm. , Um, James trip. Mr. Tears, Kevin.

In fact, I use a lot of Kevin NA’s work. Um, C App. Yes. Yeah. Ergen Rasmussen. Um, the Hand Drop, I’ve still got fear of that. If you’re listening. Jergen. Um, Sheila Granger. Carl Smith, who’s actually a mentor of mine as well. Uh, Stephanie Con, uh, Concor, I use her protocol. Basically just talked to the clients unconscious minded.

Now, isn’t that a thing? , uh, Martin, Dick Peterson in his Simpson. And of course, Jason, uh, sure. Michael Andrew. And on this weekend I’m doing another course. That’s that Steve Blake, Old Payne to go. Yeah, yeah. Which has proven very pop popular. And Kevin and I are scheduled to record later this week. And, uh, Steven and I need the schedule, so, uh, keeping it all inhouse as it is.

Let me ask you this though, cuz there’s, Yeah, there’s a story that, um, I forget if I’ve ever told this here and I think I may have brought it up on. There’s a program I did a while ago all about how to learn hypnosis, how to be a good hypnosis student, which the brief version of the story is that I had hosted somebody for a training in my local, uh, office, and like 20 people in the room, 18 are raving fans.

This was incredible. This was life changing. And two were going, I didn’t learn anything and it was really me being able to identify, okay, the student brings a lot of responsibility to the course that, you know, the more refined you are, you’re, you’re someone who is working actively. You’re someone who is constantly at this and improving what you do.

And it’s from this perspective, we don’t need the entire course to be transformative. Yes, it’s great when it is. We often just need like that one or two little tweaks that’s gonna make every bit of a difference inside of it. So you mentioned back to that original course where now you’re the, let’s call it out.

You’re the star student who’s actually out there and doing this stuff. Mm-hmm. , what would you say? What would you say it is within you if you can unpack it? That, that creates that thirst for knowledge, that creates that passion to learn more, but more importantly, creates that drive to actually put this stuff to use Fear

Yeah, fear. Fear is the greatest motivator to learn more. It’s like you can do these courses and yeah. Great. I got on the belt. And, uh, it is the failure aspect when you, when it goes wrong, oh my God, that’ll motivate you to, to go to another course. And another course, another course. You know? And that’s really motivated me cuz I’ve had so many failures as unreal.

In fact, today’s Facebook post was, uh, something I got from Kevin Nas. Success is a lousy teacher. The juice of smart people into thinking they can’t lose. Yes. And that, that really resonates with me. You know, cuz you can get that thing, you go, Oh yeah, think’s going great. But suddenly you get the client from hell.

And you know, I’ve, like you were saying there a minute ago, what makes the training, uh, you, you’ve done sort of work? Well, I think when you adapt it to your own, your own way of being, you know, you. And when you do that, you can distill things from things, you know, might you do it. I said, I sort of, a lot of therapist, you just go and see, um, Jason, that he’s distilled hypnotherapy into a little bottle.

Nes the essence, you know, But you can do the same thing yourself and find those bits that really resonate with yourself, but also, Like when I do timeline therapy, for instance, before I do that, if I tell two stories before that process, suddenly they get a fantastic result. If, if I, if I, um, show the clients how to, uh, imagine the timeline and imagine they’re going to Google maps and they can zoom out of it, suddenly can, they can actually visualize in their own imagination, they’ll, they’ll little tweaks, you know?

Right. They get good results and cuz everyone can, you know, relate to. Going on Google Maps and zooming out. And I told that to, um, one, the James trip. He said, I’m, I’m gonna take that . Cause you can, you can relate to it, you know? Yeah. And that was one of my biggest things. Oh my God. So some like my hero, like James Trip said he, he’s gonna take that.

It was like, I thought, Oh, that’s cool, . But I mean, there’s loads of little things I do within sessions as well. Even for me, the consultation’s the biggest thing cuz sometimes. Uh, well, I dunno, a lot of hypo therapists out there, but I get change in the consultation if like, that’s, that’s them fixed. But it’s, it is because I, I think I’m so thorough.

I do spend a lot of time on the consultation. Not so much the client talking about their problem, but even like, I’ve got the one from you when you say given lists seven benefits of making the change, and they just write these things out and they tell you exactly what they don’t want to have happen.

Mm-hmm. , then I say, Okay, scrub that out. Now what is it you really like to have happen as oppos to all that negative stuff And the, throughout the whole con consultation itself, it’s almost like showing the client how they’re doing this stuff. You know, the language they, they use, can’t hope and try say to them really that negative language.

Cause it’s almost like swear words. All the other swear word that people tend to use is panic and attack and put them together. And my hands get clammy. Just imagine those two words cuz people get their own suggestions, you know? Um, and also, also I do things like, um, I to do hypnosis of myself as well, which is, Isn’t that bizarre

I know, Yes. Yeah. I don’t think anyone does or do they a lot. I haven’t, I haven’t been hypnotized and that sort, but I use, I use my own stuff on me. So I, I’ve got, um, a product out coming soon. This is not an advertising spiel, but there’s like, um, things. That possibly your listeners may, may want. It’s in the pipeline.

It’s like, um, have they ever had the client from hell? You know, listen to that one. Mm-hmm. had the client from hell can’t seem to let go. Like with this recording, they can let go of the person that pushes the buttons. Perhaps maybe they fa made you feel devalued, you know, so you’ve gotta go back on that course again.

I’m the aim coordinate to help help them. Empowered again, I’ve also got a competence booster. You know, prior to seeing clients. You can feel upbeat, get them motivated, you know? I love that. I love that. No, it’s where, you know, kind of unpacking some of the themes you brought up so far, it’s that there’s too often I think people in our community who would say things because that’s what everyone else says, such as the, Oh, I go to these conventions to learn.

Um, Yeah. And yet to actually be the one there taking the classes and actually doing it as opposed to the. Just the more social side of often attending something. And you know, even back to the, the keynote that I gave at Hypno Thoughts in 2017, there is one theme that you just hit upon, which is there are moments where you absolutely need to read your criticism moments where you need to actually take that feedback.

But then there’s also moments you’ve gotta go back and just reread those testimonials to go, Yeah, okay. Yeah. Um, things are going well. This is what is working and you know, I. Give you the sort of key phrase that I use for that theme, which is that you should always have a constant, um, encouraging dissatisfaction with your success.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is that here’s this great moment, here’s this great experience. Wow. This would extremely well. I pro probably could have done it better this way. I probably could have streamlined this section in that way. I probably could have arrived there a little bit sooner or even better as. To use the one I’ve, uh, I probably could have set that goal a little bit higher.

Yeah. Yeah. So it’s the take that moment and Yes. Pat yourself in the back that, Yes, I’m doing all right. This is going well. Yet to see that there is a place for improvement, there is a place to refine it a little bit better. And I love that simple nuance of Oh yeah. If I just run them through this quick visualization before timeline, it just streamlines the entire process.

Mm. There’s lots of process. I do, I do the same sort of thing as well to, to make it, make it work better. Cause I know if I don’t do. Somehow it won’t work. You know, like, tell me the story of, um, what I do for, uh, timeline. The Oprah free story. Have you heard of that one? No. Okay. So I tell a story about Oprah’s a true story.

And so the client’s got buy in cause I said the word true. And I say the Oprah, you put a lot of weight on when she was putting loads of weight on, um, she was getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And I, I embellish it. That’s why I got from she gra jury. Be listening cuz you can tell a few white lies if it gets the result.

it’s. So I embellish to get the, to get where you wanna go. I embellish it slightly. So she’s putting all this weight on cause her husband had an affair with her best friend and she sort of said, Talk to the hand, I’m never gonna forgive you. And she kept eating crispy cream donuts at 10 o’clock at night till two o’clock in the morning and she just couldn’t sleep.

And she kept on blam her friend. And you know, I. Use the odd, um, bit of language that’s, um, down to earth. I won’t do it on here, but um, cuz people respect, I think people like that cuz you’re just a normal human being. They go, Oh great, you swear. And, and they got that they permission to swear. Um, I think you mentioned it somewhere in one, your, somewhere.

Yeah. My mine is that as soon as they use it, which is usually pretty quickly, Yeah. Uh, I go, Oh great. Now I get to use those words too. But sometimes, sometimes I use it. , which is like, you know, a lot of people come to see me and I say they’ve got a face, like a snap bum, , and they, and they usually laugh because I, but I, I do show people.

Pictures before and after they’ve changed, you know, So when I first did this, I was like, really in the hypno geek who used to take picture. I will come back to that story a minute about Oprah Winfrey. It’s almost like a nested loop, isn’t it? Or whatever. . And it’s like . But I mean, um, I show clients how, um, how they changed.

So in other words, it’s almost like a setup. I, I got a little bit of that from Inner Simpson that she shows, you know, the clients, how they do that stuff. Before that, the, the. Anymo responses and I thought, I can use that. So what I did was, this is probably prior to her, but I mean, I did take pictures of clients before.

So there’s a guy who had a real face, like a slap bottom, and afterwards it’s like, it was like a miracle. I said, Listen, that, that photo’s not showed to them. Photo shop, there’s, he’s not using Botox. He’s, he looks like, uh, a lot younger. And he’s free of all this stuff. And I said he had that, he had issues there.

And I don’t obviously go, go into, I get permission for the client to use the photo and they’re quite, you know, willing to have that happen. But look, there’s a guy there, he’s 49 years old and he had issues since he was nine years old and they’ve all gone and it’s not like putting their PLA on, the problem is gone.

You can just tell by his face. And I keep in contact with my clients as well, so they got a huge buy in. It’s almost like that, you know, I. I heard from somebody else, you shouldn’t convince the client and stuff like that, but I am, and I get a buy-in from it, you know? Mm-hmm. . Um, and then the back to the Oprah entry story, uh, that which helps with Tyler time, uh, time land, um, timeline therapy is, um, when she’s eating all this Chris routine cream donut and she’s getting bigger and bigger.

Now she’s buttoning down rodeo. And the best friend is, and in, in her mind it’s peeing down with rain. But as you know, in, in Southern California or wherever it is, it’s, it never rains. So she’s doing her own hypnosis anyway, which I, I always say to clients who come and see me, like I, I’m sure you mentioned that I just as well on your ones, don’t you?

You’re doing her hypnosis. I show how to do it better, right? Yeah. And so I did the same thing on that. Um, and they go, Really? And I’m, and I’m so strong willed, just, yeah, you can use that strong will to help. As well. So anyway, her friend pops out on the, um, across the road and she’s got a good vantage point from where she stood.

She can see her friend coming out of, um, that diamond shock. Tiffany’s, and she’s a slim, she’s blonde hair. She’s got good figure. An Oprah infuse sort of saying fake hair. Fake boobs, you know, , fake personality, woman’s SCO sort of scenario. And you can see the clients that I, I get the response to them, You, you as I’m going the story, you can see they’re already getting involved in it, you know, especially women cuz they can relate to it.

Um, and then, uh, this guy comes out from um, the store and proposes in front, pro proposes, then these on Ben Denise sort of thing. And he is got this rock in the rocks, um, shining in the sun, this big diamond. And he’s mart must marry woman. And um, basically, um, she can see this woman, she’s like really happy
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She’s gleeful, she’s over the moon, she’s in love, but over room pr were really naled and really sort of quite peed off. And she’s looking at this woman and I think the, she caught a reflection of herself in, in the, in the shop store across the way, even though she sort of negated it from her, her mind, even though she must have passed other shops.

But she, people sometimes do that. Like women get bigger clothes when they don’t face the fact they’ve got big. And she did that with. How she rejected herself as well. She didn’t really tell, stare herself in the mirrors. And it was that first time she glanced that woman and, and the mind is this thing.

It’s like, you know, when I say to clients as well, the brain doesn’t cope on two things at once. And she had three things going on. One, she could see the woman was gleefully happy, she knew she can see her, how big she suddenly got. And three, she can see like, Oh my God, the only person’s affecting is is me.

Cause she’s really happy. And I’ve got really big, and I say, as soon as the timeline, you’ve got all this stuff going on your life and you can choose to let go of you want. Cause the only person. It was affecting was her, you know, she was the one who was getting fat and having a miserable life. And I said, That’s the same thing you can do as well.

And it’s almost like a suggestion to the, their unconscious mind. They, they can let go of that stuff. It’s, it’s not, it’s not a, it’s not a choice. It’s, it is not a destination. It’s a choice you can make. And suddenly they’re just have those little micro movements, you know, those ones you see at climb, You sort of.

Um, look at the whole body type thing. As you do peripheral vision on them, you’ll see something move. It’ll be like a hand or a thing, you know, finger or something. You can see, Oh, they’ve taken that one in. Yeah. Yeah. And I think when you, the more people you see, it’s almost like you just know what to use.

Like even on, um, Parts integrations, you know, that, that I was, listen to your podcast, it was your last one about the, um, what process to use type thing. And the client will tell you exactly what it is. Yeah. So one part of me doesn’t sort, well, you know, you’re gonna go with that. Exactly. And, but with, with my parts integration, what then that if, if it’s one of those ones where they say, um, I just don’t feel, you know, one part is this and one part it was, it was an unconfident one.

Well, I’m gonna go into my spiel about that same thing I did earlier about going into that, um, I didn’t used to be confident myself then, you know, so you, you are getting great rapport with your client cause you’re basically talking their own language and they just, the, the faces, they’re like, uh, it’s like I’m really sort of selling but not selling.

Which I think I mentioned that email, this, that’s how that course came about, you know? What you’re doing there is outstanding that too many people would look at, uh, you know, I’m just gonna talk to my client and gather the information, so now I can do the hypnosis, which know the entire experience is that hypnotic intervention.

And you’re, and one of the strategies that you’re using that I do too, is that you’re bouncing tech techniques off of them. And I love even down to the micro musculars to see that, okay, yes, something’s being picked up here, something’s a fit and. I, I’m sure along the way the negative is also, it’s a, it’s a positive result, but there’s even the moment where you’re bouncing something off of somebody and you’re seeing it’s not a.

And then telling you, I don’t need to go in that direction. Mm. And you, I know, um, even from the, well, the most important thing for me is the consultation. Cause you know how it’s gonna go. In fact, sometimes the email, the, the text message, you’ll know they’re gonna be a great client or not, you know, Or the one that’s gonna, This woman said to me on Friday night, Can you cure me?

Then I said, I’m not Jesus a Nath, you know, . But I can show you techniques so you can one help. Control the anxiety. How would that be? I thought you were gonna accuse me. Well, you can see where her expectations are gonna go, you know? Mm-hmm. , I said, Well, you’ve got the wrong person here. You know, I natural and, and I was actually gonna dis, I was gonna say, I don’t think we can actually work together.

And her face, it was like, When you say no, I think a lot of people are too, Oh, I need this client. No. . I told her, Sorry, I can’t work with you. And then she changed. I said, Listen, the first thing he taught me in Hyno school was there can be one HNO therapist in, in the room, and I think you, you, you’re trying to control too much.

And she said, Are you trying to, you call me a controlling? I said, Well, yeah, , how do you feel about that? She goes, Well, well, I suppose I am quite controlling. Yeah. I said, Do you want me to help you? Yes. Okay. We can got a deal then if you can, If you can, you know. Take, take the stuff as suggest since I made you, You can possibly get from where you want go, but you’re gonna have to allow me to this, You know, like, I think Bob Burn said this thing about, you know, hypnosis is a two-way thing.

It’s almost like strictly come dancing, where if you’ve got a lousy dancer, you know, there’s no way you can waltz. But when you allow it to happen and don’t try and take the lead, but just as 50 50 share, you know, it’s, it’s, you put the onus back on them as. Though I found the magic wand. Yeah. I found there’s a balance to that though.

And I tell you a quick story, which this mm-hmm. , this goes a little in another direction of how I normally would work, but it’s where, again, whatever you’re reading off of the client is giving you the cue as to what’s a fit that mm-hmm. , um, you know, with without hyping it. I mean, it’s the first podcast session and the series, the, the all positive pre-talk, the way that I do it.

Yeah. It just simply lays out, here’s what’s gonna happen, here’s what you’re going to experience, and. I, I could reference this as a couple of months ago. There’s a woman who’s in the office and the goal is to get rid of her, um, sort of obsession around eating sugary food. She’s adding processed sugar to everything.

And I, I’m even seeing that the pre-talk isn’t landing and as simple and as straightforward as that pre-talk strategy is, it’s just not being absorbed. And something about it is making me realize, okay, this is that client. And, and I say this not never as a negative, this is that client who has an expectation that I am the hypnotist and I’m going to cure.

I’m going to make things happen. And there’s some level of that expectation. And I sidebar the, the pre-talk just to look at her and say, And this is. Perhaps could be credited. I’ve used this line before, but I’m now using it even more. Um, thanks to people like Steven Blank, thanks to people like, uh, Anthony and Freddie Jack, and I just look and go, Okay, so you’re ready for me to take away that sugar addiction?

Mm-hmm. . And she goes, Yes. Okay, good. Close your eyes. So to, to see them where they are, to use a little bit of that expectation. But of course not to let that be the entire process because my , my sloppy version of the dancing metaphor is that this is a dance and both of us are leading. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I had a guy actually a couple of weeks ago who was an old chap who had hypnosis for smoking, and he said, Well, I went to this hip and therapist guy and he did it one session.

I said, Why do it in three? He said, Okay. I said, What do he tell you to do? He just, he just told me not to smoke. And I thought, Well, there we, that, that’s it. He, he wants some authorities in an authoritative way of doing it, so he came. Drinking in my normal, uh, three part drinking, uh, protocol wound window.

And I said, Okay, I next day you’ll not drink. You’ll, And he was, he was going for a big strike. See, his hands were clenching and all this not, And you, he was putting, he was doing high fives. It was nuts. He was loving. I said, Well, how’d you go on next week? And I checked, he said, Haven’t dropped, done, uh, haven’t touched or dropped since.

And so I gave him what he needed, you know? Yeah. Otherwise it’d be the three, you know, the three step process, whatever. He’s over the moon. And, but I did, I said, Look, we’ll do a two-step one for you, first one, and would do a follow up as well. Cause I wanna know it’s all gone and he’s still cool, he’s still not drinking.

Yeah. I love it. So I gave him what you need. Yeah. So, to ha, having known you for a while, knowing that anxiety is one of those things. You do some of the best work with mm-hmm. . What is it that if, if, if it’s the client coming in, let’s kind of run through what I like to call the user experience that a client is coming into your space, or even back to the initial consult mm-hmm.

what, what are some of those key components that you find to be vital? And working with somebody and releasing anxiety, um, basically to show them how they’re doing it. Mm-hmm. , if they can see how they’re doing it. Cuz people, were in a hypnotic trance. They really are. I mean, a girl came on Friday night, she goes, You never go for, I mean, everything is different.

I don’t do anything specifically the same, but it, it is down to one thing. There, there are. Techniques I use in a consultation, which are all pretty much the same, but I won’t use all of them. But for her, she said, Oh, my house is haunted. I said, Okay, so your house is haunted and I want you to relax your arms while you’re doing this.

It’s the same thing, the A, B and C I call it. And there’s a product out. Um, again, better ju Jason, there’s a product out soon and I’m just and it’s, uh, called the anxiety wheel, which I show people actually, it’s on Facebook at the moment. And basically if you relax your. If anyone relaxes their arms and just imagine they can relax their, their legs as well.

I say it’s not hyp nose. You’re doing that already. And just do this breathing. So you’re breathing for seven, Hold for seven and out for your mouth or nose. We’re 11 very slowly and you’re surprised if people do no, that’s what you’re doing to do anxiety. We can do the complete opposite, you know? So when you imagine something bad can happen, you’re gonna a 10, your body.

You could do some louy breathing and you can imagine the worst stuff that ever happened. And the great thing about people with anxiety, they’ve got the best imaginations in the world. Cause you’ve already imagined the worst things is gonna happen. Yeah. So for her specifically, it’s like I said, Okay, so imagine you’re in that home.

And I’ll give you analogy. I think you do this a lot, don’t you? So the, my analogy was this. Imagine you were. There’s a, a woman who lived, um, in a little log cabin, and that log cabin was miles away from anywhere, and she’d never seen Friday the 13th. She’d never seen The Exorcist or any of those horror movies, and she slept soundly.

But then suddenly she saw the movie The Shining, or then she saw The Exorcist and she saw Nimo Nails meet or whatever. And then she’s her home alone on that log cabin. And, um, she hears on the radio there’s a mad Aman who’s about 200 miles away from where the, where the thing is. Do you think she’d get a good night’s sleep and she Oh no.

I don’t see You would, and that’s what you’re doing. I said in your situation, it’s like the body goes in this sort of cat type scenario. It goes on the. High alert and you’ll notice any slight thing in the room. I said, as you are doing your stuff now, just notice how you can notice it’s going slightly cold on your right hand side there cuz it’s getting quite chill in this room now.

Oh yeah it is. I said, well it’s not, but you believed it was and she laughed. You know, cause that’s the power of the mind. You can give yourself a suggestion. So what you suggesting yourself about all those? Things in your house too. Cuz she said in where she lived, um, there was pictures falling off the thing and all this not, I thought pictures falling off the, well, the wall.

She goes, Yeah. Did you hold them in places? Yeah. I put a bit of blue tackle sort of the story she said and, and suddenly they fell off. And I said, Have you noticed if you go to someplace and you, you tense your body? You, you are like, you’re like a cat on a, on a hot tin roof as if you’re expecting something to happen.

That’s what you’re doing. You know, I’m not sure, I’m not saying the house isn’t haunted or not, but when you go to your mum’s and you, you feel quite relaxeder. That’s still bricks and mortar as well. It’s still a house is your meaning you’re making on that house. Oh, I see. You know, she’s, you know, I’m getting people out their own way sort of thing.

Mm-hmm. . So that, that was, that was her specific, But having said that, though, she’s booked in to see me. Cause, but there was other clients who, a young girl this, this week who came with a mum and, uh, really cried up. There was analytical types, but she, she didn’t, I saw a mum for a consultation and yeah, that was it.

One consultation, she got the job and she, I don’t need to see you. I’ve got the job. Got rid of that confidence thing. And she brought her daughter on Friday night. And, uh, same thing happened. Like, it’s normally like, uh, uh, Father and, uh, daughter, but I suppose to mother and daughter. I noticed that one.

Have you noticed that? I, I love that aspect though of, you know, showing the client how well they can do it on their, Yeah. Yeah. That again, if you can bring it up, you could bring it down being a very powerful theme to bring it into the process. Mm. Yeah. I use that one when you do actually, or that, um, what was it?

The control, not the control and the, uh, The ice. The ice on the hand. Yeah. What you, Um, that it’s a glove anesthesia moment that I just nickname is playing with feelings, but Yeah. Yeah. It, it’s that moment of, again, And the theme that I’d share with this is that you’ve heard me say this before, there’s a, again, negative language used positively only ever go into battle when you’re fully armed.

That I’m gonna look to have that resource state, But there’s gonna be a moment where I brought up whatever the resource state ought to be, whether it’s confidence, whether it’s a kinesthetic, numbing sensation, and then bring up that anxiety, bring up that fear, bring up that craving, bring up whatever the negative sensation would be.

and then immediately this, it’s just this collapsing of anchors moment of, and now bring that feeling in. What do you notice now? Just to immediately take it down? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I use that a lot. I use that with a guy who did twitches actually, and I brought it up. He came here for exam nerves, and it was, it was third session.

I said, By the way, do you wanna get rid of that twitch? And I never, I mean, this, this is me being quite out there, you know, like, like I know I’m talking about. And I thought, um, you know, I think I’ll give that a go. So he was quite, he was quite a good subject throughout. Other stuff. And he, he was getting grades at school apparently, so I’ve heard that.

Or college. And then I, and then, um, he came back for the third session and, uh, Do you wanna get rid of that twitch? I mean, this guy had a hideous twitch. He was almost like Tourettes. He’d lean forward, he’d twist his body and stuff like that. He was 23 years old. and you can see the pain he’d gone through, I believe, cuz I mean he, the girlfriends would probably laugh at him and sort of reinforce the fact.

Cause it was really that bad. And, um, I used, I used that technique you just mentioned there and I said to him, Try to get the twitch back now. Bring the twitch back now. And he did. And I thought, God, it’s working. And I said, and I said, Bring it back again. So he did. Then I said, Bring it back again. And he did another time.

I thought, Okay, great. Now you brought that Twitch back. You can take control of it. Mm-hmm. . And I see his eyes doing this funny thing, you know, underneath, so something’s happening. And I said, uh, and now just, um, use that, uh, ice and just nuke it away. He did it, did it a few. I wanted to get it in there a few times, you know, over and over mental rehearsing it, you know, And, uh, he’s fine now.

I, I bet I saw him the day for a topic cause he was buying into. Things about exams again, but he hasn’t got the twitch anymore, which is really crazy. And that’s like about two years ago. So it works. There’s an aspect that you’re bringing up there that you mentioned earlier that I wanna come back to of, uh, testing your work.

Yeah. Yeah. So tell us another story about how, you know, being in that process with the client and testing it to know that yes, the result is in motion. Well, I, I, well, I test them while they’re here. But then I also, the most important question is how will you know it’s gone? And I really make a big thing on that.

How will you know this is gone? There’s a client who, um, who I helped recently, I put on this video as well. So it’s before and after the process, and it was a fear of flying. So how, how do you know that fear of flying’s gone? Well, I’ll have to go on a plane and test it. I said, No you won’t. Cause you was such a good hypnotic subject where the eye is open.

This is all eyes open work. Yeah. I said, imagine your husband came through with the two tickets now to go to Las Vegas. How do you feel? Oh, I can’t go. I can’t go. I said, You’re not on a plane right now, . Okay. So after the process, Quick thing. Um, how do you feel now about go to Vegas? I’m really looking forward to it.

I can’t wait. It’s, it’s really exciting. Notice the site, notice a difference. Oh yeah. Cause I mean, so when I see people also, I give analogy that when people sat in the chair, that the last people notice they’ve changed. People notice they changed before they do, which is really bizarre in a certain, in a few people, in, in 50% of the cases.

Yeah. I see. And so I, I, I, I put that as a, as a prerequisite as. People will notice the change in you when they notice the change in you. Not when I say it, not when you feel in that chair, but suddenly it’ll compound the changes that already taken place. Give us that one more time. That’s good. Okay. So when people notice the change in you, I, I say to ’em, Okay, okay, you changing, I know you feel quite good about this now too, and I feel quite good.

Do you feel quite good? And I’m not saying you feel quite good. You tell me. Cause I always ging on a scale from one to 10, the the sub scale significant juniors of distress. Where are you now? And where, you know, what’s it like now? And they go, Oh it’s good. And try to get the old thing back. They can’t get it back.

I said, I know you feel good about this. And we’ll tested and tested until, until the cows come home or get them to convince me it’s gone. There’s another cool way to do it. And you sure it’s gone. Could you have that like about two minutes ago? Oh yeah. Try and get it back How it. You know, but like I said to you before, I re well recalibrate, resay that that line again, when people notice the change in you, it’ll compound the changes that were already taken place.

Nice. So when their partner says, Oh, you look something different. And I also say like, with mothers, with kids as well. And this is one thing I found, cause I work with, um, children, I work with ki um, parents and all that sort of stuff. 10 to 80 I call it. And. , The children notice first and the mother’s changed.

And I, I, I say that cause I’ve seen it from my eyes. Woman had, um, she came here once. She said, I’m a really bad mother. I said, Well, how are you doing that? Then she goes, Well, I’ve got three kids, uh, one’s about one, one’s two, one’s five. And I said, Well, really? And when Great. Your husband, you spoke about him, would, he goes to work and I, he comes back about once a.

And I said, You’re a bad mother. No, I don’t think so. If you’re a bad mother, you’d be in the pub, you’d be drinking, perhaps you’d be, you know, getting other people to look after those kids. And you already told me already that you wouldn’t let anyone at those kids out of your own site. So where’s the truth in that?

But she wouldn’t buy into that anyway, So we let go of all that stuff. The timeline therapy did that. And I said to her, strangely enough, I said, When children, um, and she was on her own all day with these children, you know, one, five and six or whatever it was. And she was saying, My daughter, she, I don’t think she, she likes me.

I thought this is, She gonna bit stare crazy type thing, you know, it’s her own daughter. It was like the belief she sort of made on that because she was like daddy’s little girl type thing and she never spoke this girl, she never spoke to the father. And uh, after the process, timeline therapy, I think it we did with her in parts.

Um, she sent me a text and she said, my little girl for the first time spoke and she said, Mom, and she said she wanted Huggies and she cried and she, it was in the text and I thought, this is amazing, you know, cause, but strange. Children sort of notice the parent change first. And I did mention that to her and I mentioned it to other people afterwards because I, maybe kids haven’t got that sort of thing, but they pick up on, uh, vibes, let’s say with the person.

If someone feels uncomfortable, they pick up on that vibe. And they sort of attracted, people feel quite good about themselves and there’s no, when people aren’t, you know, and that’s what I think will happened. And now she feels good about herself, all the child all over and doesn’t give her who to burn.

Her dad comes home. Cause cuz mum is the one now, you know. Isn’t that, Isn’t that weird? Does that answer your question? I, I don’t, I can’t. No, it does question. It does, and it’s that in the testing phase, we’d often put the expectation of they have to go through the entire experience to get the feedback, which yes, that is absolutely a vital case.

I share a quick story that. I, I used to be very active with the local Chamber of Commerce, and here was a guy who cornered me in a meeting in a very, very loud way to go, Hey, I’ve got a fear of public, sp fear of flying. Can you help me with that? He had just been promoted by his company and needed to fly more frequently, so we got together, we worked on that, and he’s feeling great.

You know, I’m actually looking forward to it now. I was actually looking at things to do on the trip rather than just, you know, sort of buckle down and realize it’s gonna suck for two hours on the plane. Because I’m actually now planning what I’m gonna do on the plane. And since we worked together, he got promoted again and the new position on top of the other new position now no longer required travel.

So it was about a year or so. And I, the, the only reason the story’s funny is that I kept running into this guy who liked to boast. Jason got rid of my fear of flying so well, I haven’t even had to. And I’m legitimately sending him an email one day or of a phone call to go, Hey, I just, uh, I had booked travel for the GH Convention and hey, I just booked travel to Boston and back.

Can you believe it? Round trip was $88. And he actually goes, What are you getting at? I go, Just get on the plane. He goes, I feel great about it. I’m like, I know, but you’re the guy who keeps telling the story that Jason got rid of my fear of flying so well, I haven’t even had to fly. Um, dude, take yourself out to dinner.

And he eventually, he takes a trip on his own. Uh, but it’s where again, you find this experience where just in the expectation, they’re feeling better. And I love the way that you’re harnessing that in terms of bringing that validation. It’s this method of. I, I, I say highlighting the change before the change is even in place.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, when, when, when clients see other people change as well. Oh, my friend recommended me. I mean, when I think when your questions, thinking back was, um, how do you get clients? Since I bought, I was actually, uh, just doing some accounts the day and, uh, 60% of referrals and 40% are maybe adverts I put out there, the occasional Facebook thing.

Mm-hmm. . And, but, but the good thing is referrals. They’ll refer you to the cows come home type scenario. Cause I, I usually, I do keep in contact with my clients and I’ll send ’em the odd text, how’s it going? That sort of thing. And it’s free, you know, Cause I wanna know how they generally do after, after they see me.

Cuz I generally. Okay. The money’s great, but you know, I do generally care about my clients, which I think comes across. Um, and people tell their friends and they tell their friends and the daughters and this, And one time I’ve seen the whole family, you know, it’s crazy. Um, this mother comes through and she says, This is, this is a good analogy I, I use as well.

She goes, she comes through, uh, I want more confidence, I say, But you look quite confident. Uh oh. So you’re wearing a mask. Yeah. And I show them this a little quick demo that was from Jamie Smart, How people wear masks. I don’t even, You’re familiar with that, the diamond thing? Hmm. Familiar with this work, but not that specifically.

Yeah. Well, basically I say to clients, I say, Well, normally in life is, uh, you’re born, you’re authentic, you like yourself. But then what happens is, um, crap happens. Make it as basic as possible, and it goes on that diamond, so it dulls a diamond. You’re not so bright or shiny to what you were before. You either buy into your stuff somewhere along the line.

Someone said You’re not good enough for that sort of thing. Or you either water that thought or you can sort of kill it with a DDT and pull it out. But some people sort of water it, They don’t even think about it, but sometimes, so it comes up and they make meaning on stuff, and then they got this internal conflict and one path and.

Doesn’t feel good enough cuz they’re actually putting on this fake smile. Well they wanna be authentic so there’s like a push or pull. Does that sound like you? And she goes, Yes. How did you know? And there, so I’m sort of speaking her language, you know? Cause I knew when they, when they usually wear that mask thing is, that’s normally the, normally the case.

Not all the times, but sometimes. And then after you let go of that garbage. Yeah. The crap you can become that your authentic self again. But I show them like a little diagram. There’s like a little diagram. My. And when people see it visually they get it. Um, then she was so enthralled and we did timeline for her and Ira.

She was, she said, When I came here I felt like I had my baseball, um, shoulders, you know, baseball players were. And uh, but every time I did that thing, it was the anger. I went and got lighter. The sadness, the fear, the her, the guilt, and she never bleeds. My husband’s waiting, waiting in the car. I’m gonna bring him in too, but he’s a bit more skeptical.

You know, he’s, he’s very skeptical. Well, he just was even more, um, pro me than, than her. So I saw him as well. But he said, My daughter now, she’s, she’s a, she really come and see you. So I saw her and it’s like she had this thing whereby she, She feels skinny at parties and stuff like that. And, uh, everyone’s staring at and she’s really panicking about her exams.

Hardly intelligent girl, but worries and saw her for three sessions. Yeah, she’s fine. And she said to me, My brother know, I don’t think he’ll come and see you. Cause he is like, he’s really salted me, My mom and dad. You know, we get a bit grumpy sometimes, but he’s always so hyper and happy, you know. I don’t think he’ll come and see you anyway.

When he saw how well the, the three were, his mother said he wants to come and see you too. So that was the whole family type thing. Yeah. I love it. Good. I love it. Yeah. Before we wrap up here, I wanna ask you a question just to hit some of the, the business side, cuz especially that talking about about 60% of your clients are coming in by referral.

Mm. And I’m sure the easy answer is just to do exceptionally good work. Yet, is there anything that you’re doing on top of that to encourage these referrals, to motivate these referrals? There’s no money. Um, not really. There’s no, there’s no incentive for them to do it. Yeah. Um, I think I give a lot. That’s what it is.

Um, they don’t feel like they’re a number. I treat the client, like the client basically. I, I treat, treat ’em like a human being. I don’t. I’m not up there and they’re down there. I’m on the same level. That works well, but I, I go the extra mile. I like to under deliver. Was it or likely under promise over deliver.

That’s the one. Yeah. . Yeah. And so I do, I do, uh, I, I send them, uh, things after even I’ll send ’em little things, you know, uh, little things that will help ’em through statements and stuff to keep ’em boosted up. And strange enough, when I send that text simply enough, they sort of say, I’m just having a down day that made my day better or something like that.

Cause I trust my instinct. When you trust your instinct, your own intuition, that’s when you fly. I think. Cause the only thing that stops people in life is that sort of negative thought for even the hip therapist, you know? So yeah, When I trust my instinct and give them what they need, and sometimes I send a text down, it’s not the right thing to say at the right time.

And they go, Right, yeah, this guy is nice. And they’ll send your friends to you. That’s all. Pass it perhaps. Also the most important thing is doing good work, Like you say. I mean, I’ve seen lots of HY therapists and I say to them, I can, You can do this way, you can do this, this way, and that way, and all that sort of jazz.

And they go, Oh really? I say, Yeah, okay. But it’s only dawned on me about it was only like three months ago. You gotta be good at what you do and by good at what you do is confident in what you do. Believing what you can do and just, um, imagine there’s, you can’t fail. That’s a cool one. . . Yeah. Imagine if all this stuff’s not real and you can just, we will like garbage out and the next client’s cause the night when it slide’s due in 30 minutes now and I haven’t got a clue I’m gonna say to him, but I know it’ll go great.

So you see yourself doing this thing good anyway. And it would somehow, you’re. Your intuition will guide, you know the right thing to say, but if you got that fear, fear’s a great motivator, but it motivates you to take courses. But it also can motivate you to say the right thing as well, just to align that the, the accelerator, I call it off, off the accelerator, and just be who you are.

You know, take a deep breath in, you survive in the grand scheme of things and just. Seeing yourself doing it. Trust your instinct, I say is one of the biggest things. You know your intuition cuz people learn a lot of stuff and that when you allow yourself to relax, it’s almost like when you get into peripheral vision.

That’s why I work with a client, you know, I show them how to do peripheral vision as well. You know, stare at the walls and take a deep breath in. Now try to get your garbage back to how it was. Why can’t, cuz they’re actually, they’re getting out their own way. It’s almost like a living metaphor, how they’re doing this stuff.

Cause when they’re, when they have that problem, that anxiety, that fear, they’re actually in tunnel vision. If you can see your walls, try to get it back to how it. And take a deep breath and they go, I see what you mean now. No, I mean, it didn’t work all the time, but some will, some will stick, you know? Yeah.

The, the peripheral vision one, there’s a little twist on that that I’ve been using recently, which, uh, is almost describing the difference in lighting that from a fluorescent lit room, which is very, you know, bland, everything is lit with the same quality of light. Uh, to the pinpoint spotlight, which is now shining directly on just one specific thing, and it’s that little bit of a transition to do the reverse of what I just talked about of, so imagine that moment.

Now we’re just shining a spotlight directly on that thing that’s giving you, fill in the blank, whatever the issue is. But now imagine someone hits a light switch and now everything is lit the same way. So even to go back to the example of, you know, watching the scary movie, that here’s this scene that they’re lighting and this entire crew of technicians and director and actors are putting on this moment, and the lighting is hitting it in such a way.

But now imagine someone lean into a light switch. Now everything is lit in the same way and you see every detail. And then you laugh at it because it’s fake. Um, there’s just a little twist on that peripheral vision. Uh, Derek, this has been awesome. Where can, uh, where can people find out more about you? Uh, dc mind coach.com.

Easy, easy web address. So, Derek Chap, DC Mind Coach Delta, Charlie mind as in mind coach.com. As when you were first emailing me. I’m going, I didn’t know this guy was local cuz DC Washington, DC And, uh, give us a, that was a plan. Actually. I gonna move to DC at one stage. That’s where it’s gonna be. DC mine coach to be.

Oh yeah, . Nice little ambiguity, which works out either way. And, uh, where can people learn more about the anxiety? Um, on, on the actual website, they go to the shop thing, they can purchase it there. I mean it’s uh, on special at the moment, 29 English pounds going up to 49 pretty soon. But it’s good that, I mean, a lot of hy therapists are actually buying that, like on my first of this, um, call today, you said to me, How’s the anxiety wheel going?

I sound really good. Most of the people are buying a hypnotherapist, which I find quite sur prioritizing. So now there is another course coming out for hypnotherapist and it’s, um, gonna be in six weeks time and. There’s a technique I’ve developed called the Russian Dolls, which is, I use it on myself.

Cause at the moment this is like a true life thing. How to, how to get out your own garbage to show clients how to do it as well. So I use it myself at the moment. I’m going to some really challenging times with my parents and, uh, my dad’s got dementia and my mother says Cara, and she’s actually in DC at the moment in Washington DC and she just had a stroke like seven days ago.

Now she’s his main carer. She’s in the hospital. Uh, my sister’s looking after him and stuff like that. So it’s really harsh, but how. How I cope with that is I use this technique on myself and it really gets you out your own way, you know, And that’s one of the things I’ll be sharing with people, and that’ll be available in six weeks time.

There’ll be a course coming out as well for H therapists. Everything I, I’ve learned, I’ve, I’ve done the package in this, this one course. Um, how to get timeline therapy to work well for you. How to do parts integration with that little twist as well. And all the things I use with the client in a consultation that makes it go the way you want it to go.

And dealing with tricky tire clients as well. Also, just when you mention that, um, that scary movie thing, one question I ask my clients, Can you watch scary movies? And the ones that say, Oh no, I can’t. And I say to him, Can you watch the making of a scary movie? And they say, Oh no, I can’t. No, you can know you’ve got a tricky client,

Ooh, I like that. Yeah, yeah. But you can still work with them. Because the same woman who I said, who said that, I said, uh, she said, When I leave my house, I gotta touch 175 objects. And I said, Okay, before you come and see me, I want you to narrow those 175 objects down to three. What’s your favorite ones?

Favorite ones? Um, back door, front door and window. I said, Well do that. She came back for the consult. Take the, the first session. I said, Well, how many those things did you touch? And she said, None. And my head didn’t fall. There you go. Cool. No hypnosis needed. Dey de hypnotizing clients, what I call that,

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