Session #182: Bob Burns on Hypnotic Experiences

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This is the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast, Session number 182, Bob Burns on hypnotic experiences. Welcome to the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast with Jason Lynette, your professional resource for hypnosis training and outstanding business. Success. Here’s your host, Jason Lynette. Welcome back to the program you as well as welcome back to the program Bob Burns direct from Scotland.

Bob was previously on the program back in August, 2016 for session number 74, which will. Link to that first conversation and the show notes [email protected], and having reconnected with Bob, whether it was at the Hypno Thoughts Live convention this year, or just interacting online. I’ve been meeting to have Bob back on the program to hear some of the updates on his work and just some incredible stories of being in the moment with a client getting some really fascinating changes.

And what’s really interesting here is highlighting. He’s someone who really makes use of hypnotic phenomenon, but then uses it as a motivation towards the change. So rather than just. The hypno stunt, as you’ll hear me refer to it instead, bringing that into the change process as a mechanism to let that subconscious mind truly begin to communicate and really get that change in motion.

Uh, we also reconnected because coming up in March, 2019, there’s actually two opportunities. For you to be there at a training featuring Bob. We’re actually gonna do a bit of a double event here. The weekend of Saturday and Sunday, March 23rd and 24th. I’m gonna be hosting Bob here in the Washington DC area, and then immediately after that is gonna be March 30th and 31st in the Chicago area.

Bob will be there as well. So sign up for one or hell attend to both cuz they’re both gonna be outstanding events. Um, I’m definitely there for the dc I’m kind of working un frequent. My schedule for Chicago, just someone who I’ve been wanting to spend some time with and the greedy aspect of it is let’s, uh, put together a training.

Uh, a couple of other great folks involved with is David Ruby, as well as Karen Hand. Um, helping to bring Bob over from Scotland and really get some incredible strategies to use with your clients and. Really work with people in a highly interactive, very magical way. . All the details on both of these trainings can be found on the same website, Bob burns swan usa.com, which again, we’re gonna link to that over in the show [email protected], though it’s pretty easy to remember here.

So Bob Burns swan as in the bird. USA like the country.com, and that’s gonna have all the details for the training that’s gonna be in the Washington DC area as well as Chicago. Over at again, Bob Burns Swan usa. Check out this conversation, hear some incredible stories of helping people facilitate some really magical changes, and of course, join us in March, 2019 as we bring.

Back over here to the States. And with that, let’s jump directly into this conversation. This is session number 182, Bob Burns on hypnotic experiences.

For someone who’s been on here before, and it’s been about two years time, uh, what is perhaps some sort of new belief system or new way of thinking that you found yourself developing since the last time we, we connected here on the program? That’s a great question. And if you told me that beforehand, maybe even five, 10 minutes ago, I would’ve come up with a really clever thing, monster in it.

Um, well, I’ll tell you what, I’ve, I’ve got, I’ve got a thing going right now. We just had a thing called the Gathering here in Scotland. I don’t know if you knew about that. Yes. We had it last Saturday and there was a pain, uh, kinda a pain convention. It wasn’t really so much a convention. Uh, I got the idea and it’s, and it is my way of thinking and it is something I feel strongly about.

Jason. So we had a gardening, we got. We got a full house. It was really a great day and we’ve already booked to run it again. So it was mainly for people doing a pain day and we got six people to present. So what happened was, uh, you know, forums have been doing my head and for some time now yet, that’s where I get the chance to talk to people to make things happen.

But I’ve had lots and lots of people and you know, you’re, you’re already aware of where I am and anyone listen, know what I’m saying when I say that, You know, we get lots and lots of people who are talking about, they do this, they have this protocol, they have this thing, they have this way of taking away people’s pain and it walks in one session and everyone’s revving about them and so on and so forth.

So sometime about five months ago, so I kind of came out. Just about every, um, or every, every forum out there, and I opened up a thing called Bob on. I think I got, I think I got a little bitsy to be honest. . Yeah. So I just thought, I’m just trying do this here. What do you mean by that? Talk to me here, but I will not.

Well, well, and here’s, Well, here’s the thing. I, uh, I made a half a million pounds offer half a million pounds in Sterling. I think it’s something like $300 million. I’m not sure. I can’t do the figures, but it’s, it’s . It’s a lot of money. So I, I got this guy, not me, but I got this guy to say, yes, that would be worthwhile offering half a million of.

We need to do. So I invited on my thing, Bob Buns, hypnotherapy, if anyone wants to join you. Very welcome. So in my little forum, I offered half a million pounds to anyone who, if they really believe they have this great pain protocol of therapy, come to me. Come to me. Come to me ins in Scotland, we’ll film it.

I’ll pay for the film crew and everything, and we’ll put you your film out there. But I’ll choose the people you won’t know anybody you’re coming to see, and we’ll get maybe a, It’s worthwhile doing. It’s worthwhile doing, right? We’ll get a dozen or two dozen people together, you’ll do your thing, and I’ll give you the best advert you’ve ever had in your life.

I’ll send out to the world and I will give you half a million pounds if what you see is true, however, If what you say is not true or wrong, that film will still go out. Hmm. And the funny thing is, Jason, no, nobody found. Nobody wrong. No one sent flowers. Uh, no one wrote any letters. Yeah, . And since then, since then, just like last weekend when I mentioned this, and everybody in the room knew, knew about it, but there were two or three people who never knew.

And it goes like this, it goes in three areas. They say, Oh, I never, I never knew that. And I say, Yeah, but you know, no. And they. Oh, and nothing happens. Yeah. Mm-hmm. . So that’s it. So my, my thing now is my thing now I’m big in pain is we all should be big in pain. Yes. But I’m big in pain. Honesty, Yeah. About who we are, what we do, and, uh, not to tell the newbies who are coming here, you know, I’m a medical worker and you should be, this the time you’ve finished your course.

So a little bit of honesty and pain therapy I think go a long way. Well, I think in general across all markets that we’d possibly work with that. Yeah. I, I, I’m trying to find the other side of that though, that there’s some appropriate level of expectation that we can build some level of, you know, yes, there is an appropriate stacking of the deck.

Um, you know, here’s a majority of clients in one category that have been successful. And of course, I’m only putting up testimonials from those people. Um, yeah. And we, we can look at that expectation as being part of that system. Um, But I love the intention of let’s bring the, the transparency into the process of here’s what can help for, here’s what we can work together on.

And it’s where this almost chasing down of the magic technique is where I see a lot of people getting frustrated as opposed to, you know, I could imagine there’s people that you work with that the SWAN protocol doesn’t play into it at times, does it? No, absolutely. Yes. Yeah. People, I don’t touch for that.

And yeah, Absolut. I’m not, I’m, how, what I, Yeah. Right. How do you go about making that decision as to when you, when you pull, when you pull out the burden, when you leave it in this cage as it. Well, I, I, I don’t anymore. So what happens with, with anyone when they come and see me? Um, Hi, come in. How are you?

Where are you from? That’s great. What’s the problem again? We spoke on the phone. Uh, okay. That’s right. Did you bring your manual with, with you? They look at me as if I’m an idiot. . Uh, so, so, so you never brought a manual, so you don’t know how you. Dam it. That’s a barrier. So I don’t know how you work either, but tell me a little bit about it.

I let them talk for 20 seconds, no longer than that. But if I’m mentoring some people, Jason, they get a shock at this point when I turn around and say, Well, here’s a good news, you don’t have a problem. That is, you don’t have a conscious problem. That tells me you have a subconscious problem. But it tells me it’s all inside you.

But it’s to outside you can your control without be able to write. And the all wily, uh, yes, that’s right. Um, Because that’s, that’s, that’s the fact. That’s why they come to see hypnotherapist. Mm-hmm. . So then I say, Okay, let’s have a bit of fun. If you don’t have a conscious problem, that means you have a subconscious conscious problem.

It’s all savior, it’s still outside to control. I might as well stop talking to you. So excuse my really, really bad manners. Let me go talk to your subconscious. Are you right-handed or lefthanded? And whatever they say, CF course, they pick up the left. Uh, and then I just say, I’m gonna now talk to subconscious.

We’ll see what happen. Don’t worry about it. I don’t expect anything to happen. Um, uh, I’m quite pessimistic in the third period, but I’m a positive pessimist. Let’s do this and see what happens. One or three things will happen and the humble move, which will be wonderful or won’t move, but you’ll feel something trying to move, which would be interesting.

Or nothing over at all. And that’s okay because I just get some feedback. I want to know a little bit about how you work, because remember you told me you’ve never brought your mind at this point in time, they’re look at me and said, I’m crazy . They have no idea. No idea what’s gonna happen in the next 15 seconds.

And that’s when the magic happens. So I’ll go, I’ll, I’ll always go with the burden now and August. That’s, that’s the deal. Yeah. And we see what happens. Well, I think it really highlights that, you know, we’re often told that they need to come in. We need to do the thorough intake, take all the details, take the entire history.

And I think, I mean, I flashed to a moment, I had this young girl who had, uh, a fear involving things on television. And that session could not begin until I. Crawled under my desk, unplugged my computer screens, and through the iPad I used for note taking in the other room. Um, because she had been doing this whole systematic desensitization somewhere else, which was making things worse in her case and u until I was able to utter the phrase and really demonstrate we do things differently here.

Um, it was probably gonna have the same response that everything else she had done at that point was. . Yeah. Yeah. So it’s, so my, my first visit gets sort of, by the way, I have no problems with people who do the big out outtake. I spent 20, 25 years of my life doing that. That’s the way I restrained and, you know, in clinical psychology and stuff, like, so I, I get that, but at this point in time, I’m not interested.

And, uh, whether, uh, I don’t want to fix them. I, I do a consultation. My consultation is to find out whether I can work with them or not. As you know, j I’m totally scripted and everything I do, so that’s, that’s where I am. I don’t, I don’t read a script, but I am totally scripted and there’s a huge difference there.

So when they come to see me, the, the line is, Well, hey, look. Let’s, let’s pop along for the consultation. I charge this amount of money, I put it in a box, and if I can’t, if I got, I don’t feel like I can work with you, I can’t hypnotize you, I give you the money back. Is that okay? Great. Mm-hmm. , so pop along for the consultation so when they pop along for the consultation, I will find out if I can work with them within 30 seconds.

So that’s, uh, saves a lot of time. Yeah. That’s how, that’s, that’s where to do it. Yeah. And what, what is it you’re looking for specifically in that 30 seconds, would you say? Well, I’m looking for contact. It’s my line. I’m looking for contact because we already know they’re okay. The guy comes to see me. Well, I had, I had the bigger, it’s a, it was a big day for me today.

I’m quite tired. I saw seven clients. I normally see between four and five. A day. So certain clients day, I’m a little bit terrible, but it’s always the same thing. They’ve been sent, they’ve been to the doctor, the doctor seen, sent them to the psych, you know, who may be pulled in cogniti to behavioral therapists in some case we’ve got, uh, a psychiatry is, is there.

But all these people in my experience are talking to them at a conscious level and they’re telling them what the challenge is and how they need to be positive and so on. And it’s all good. It’s all really great. But none of them have a conscious problem. They all have a subconscious problem, so everyone’s talking to the client.

The client’s fine. Client knows exactly what it is. They agree with ’em 100%. You know, they’re looking at this cogniti, behavioral therapist, psychologist, and thinking, Jesus, they know this stuff. That’s what other five people said. It must be true, but no matter how positive nothing seems to happen, what’s going on there?

Then I tell ’em to sit back. I tell ’em, I’ve got bad manners. I’m not gonna talk to you. They’re looking to see if I’m an. And the ha tons. So that’s the difference. It’s a little difference. It makes a big difference for me. Yeah. Yeah. I, I love just the opening frame of, I’ve got bad manners, which again, it just gives you permission to

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, if you, if you, if you smiled Jason, uh, I discovered, uh, from William Clement Stone back in the late sixties and seventies. If you smile, you can do most things. Yeah. Mm-hmm. , But you have to smile and nod your head. , you get away with it. Yeah. So, so humor, humor can, can bridge things for us.

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I, Is there a story that kind of sticks out of someone you’ve worked with in, in recent months? Of, um, you know, kind of that immediate response of getting that 32nd feedback and then immediately there you are into the work. Well, yeah. In fact, both things, There’s the ones where I get the response and the ones where I get no response, but the magic happens.

So that’s the, that’s the, the whole how, how this stuff works. I mean, in Saturday at the Gathering there, I got a lovely girl called eh, Julie. Hopefully some of these people might hear this. She came out, I sit her down. I tell everybody doesn’t wanna call. The time we’ll have a go here and if I feel that’s great, you’ll get to see me feel.

That would be wonderful. It shows you that I’m not that clever, but maybe somebody will work with us lovely lady later and get results. So I talk to her. We do the thing, the hand the finger switches, the hand moves a little bit and I say, Wouldn’t it be great if you could move the finger and you can move the hand?

Wouldn’t be great if you could say, Hello Bob to me. Wouldn’t it be fantastic if you could just speak to me? The woman’s looking me bli her quite rightly, slowly. If I’m an idiot, she starts to shake her head slowly. She’s just shake in her head and look at me is a, and it’s one. I haven’t seen the film yet, but it’ll come out exactly like that.

I promise you. She’s shaking my head and looking at me shakes, she does nothing, and then suddenly she says, hello. And of course the room, the room kind of erupts. We go from the, from the next stage to. Hello again because I’ve asked her the question as you know. Jason, do you think you did that just to please me?

Was it social compliance? They’ll either say maybe, or I don’t think so. Okay. We’ll try not to This next time I get a hello the second time and on the third time I tell ’em, Well, don’t open your mouth this time. Thank me up to now I’ve been telling you just to let me walk. So do not, whatever happens is that okay?

And she’s pretty determined to me. Do it again. Of course I get a beg how load, Hello? If I, man, if I, if I can do. And I and I can’t fix them. For me, that would make a special skill and luckily Jason, I don’t have that skill. Mm-hmm. . So you know, we we’re in there. So it’s all about the contact for me. If I’m contacting the part that said to me, Yes, you’re contacting me, I’m the part real margin.

Remember I’m the part real margin and you’re talking to me to, let’s know, Okay, well that’s, It’s great to wave a finger. It’s great to move hand. It’s great to hear, say hello, but that’s kind of just having fun. Isn. Can you fix them? Can I put the spider in their hand? No. Can I pull out the cotton rule that they’re afraid of?

Can they stand up, do that talk tomorrow night and feel great? So then we, we, we put it to the test. The finest thing, of course, is to put it to the test. That’s, that’s the big thing. Yeah. What I love about that is finding a moment. Let’s, let’s just, Very simply defined that as a moment of hypnotic phenomenon, that something magical is happening that they weren’t expecting, but then immediately harnessing that, leveraging that, and putting it into use towards the motivation of the actual change rather than just, just hypno stop.

Where some people would leave some things. Mm-hmm. instead utilizing as the entry point into the change. . Yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s, uh, we’ve gotta do that. We’ve gotta move. And all the people I talk to, anytime I, I ask the question, Do you know, do you, did you check your work? Because I’m a, I’m a psychoanalyst that when I background, I checked nothing.

I had a appeared in a pin slip suit and a poker out tie. I looked a million dollars, man, but I checked nothing, and I looked really, really clever. I had all the lanes and checked nothing. No. I stick them to the chair, I stick them to the table. I, I give them 12 fingers. They can’t remember where they lived.

And I, and I do hopefully in a, in a comedic area because if I can stick the hand, I can stick them to the goal. If I can get them to forget the name, I can get them to forget the problem. Although all of that at times will not be true. I need to do other stuff as well. But I’ve, I’ve got that, you know, I’ve, I’ve got, I’ve got a few arrows in the, in the quiver, , you know, ready for that as well.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So then what, what’s sort of the developments? Cause I know there’s some new elements I’ve been hearing of. I haven’t yet been able to go into the content, which is part of where the, uh, the greedy admission is, uh, part of helping to host these events coming up in March, 2019 as I want to be there and, uh, be a student for this.

Uh, but I’ve heard the swan has begun to speak in recent years. Well, yes. Well, it’s, it’s actually when the, when the swan first came out to Jason, if has swan and they’ll look at it. They’ll see, they’ll see people’s most moving but in silence. And that’s big one about now eight years or so. Yeah. And when I, when I saw the guy who, uh, who produced it, I says, What did you do with the, with the speaking parts?

And he pulled out a sheet of. And he stuck it under my face and he says, This is the brief you gave me. And I looked at it and I says, Yeah, he’s, he’s right. Uh, because when they all started speaking, I was shocked. He was shocked. He was behind Kala turning pure white when all these parts started talking to me.

So he decided to cut all of them out when he, when he developed this one dvd. So it was always there, but I decided, well, why don’t I take a year or two and then develop this part itself? Find out things to do and things not to do. Things to make it better. Things not to do. Cause that makes it worse. And, and see if I can develop it there.

So we now have this thing that’s out. No, don’t be. It’s, uh, you know, I don’t sell much stuff. Honest. One DVD and that one download called this one Speaks that I sell through my, uh, my, uh, my, my, my, my forums, my my, uh, I think, I think think you buy through Vim or something. And that’s mainly what I took out some months ago, but six months ago where I’ve got people all speaking and the part speaking to me and what I discovered was that very often, and that’s what I discovered over the years, that sometimes the, you know, Jason comes in because he’s got a problem.

And when I’m talking to Jason by asking simple question, if I get the part that talk talks to me, I can sometimes say, What about you? I know you’re here and you help Jason, you do this, but what about you? Do you need help in any way And. Does complete surprise, and then that part again, reload margin, says well, and I said, Maybe I could help you.

So I’ve now got a situation where Jason’s come along, he’s given me a hundred bucks. He’s sitting there with these, these eyes closed. And this part is talking through, I’m asking how I can, can do some work with the part, but if I can do some work with the part, the part will normally some work with Jason.

That’s simply been my findings and I invite people to, to try that, to come back to me and give me their reports rather than me tell them that’s a. You know, I, I ask them to work with that. So this one speaks a, is a big thing for me now, and that’s what, what we’ll be doing when I, I see you guys out there in, uh, in Virginia and Chicago in March.

Yeah, it’s gonna be fun. I, that phrasing of was that you, um, are, are there moments where, and I mean we could apply this to any style of, uh, hypnotic work where the client is speaking in the process of, you know, where they’d almost be doubtful of the process after the work, where they’d be almost inquisitive or, uh, let’s say skeptical of it.

The answer is yes, but hardly ever now. Yeah. Something happens, something magical happens in a moment where, uh, you’d think if somebody’s hand ons, they would start screaming, but they don’t . There’s like an inner knowledge that happens along with it. It’s, it’s quite bizarre. Now, one of the strangest ones I got was a guy called, uh, let’s call him, let’s call him David.

Yeah. And he came along to see me. He’s, uh, 53 years old and he wants to uh, he wants to run a marathon. That’s about 26 miles, isn’t it? And. And he gets, he hears sore thighs after about 13, 14 miles. So I don’t, knowing about marathons, I just say, Well, that’s half of 26. Why don’t you run half marathons? And I, I thought he was gonna punch me.

crazy. Yeah. So, so move, move on, move on. Five minutes. And I’ve now got his hand turning and him talking to me and then move on another 10 minutes. And we’ve got a completely different thing, Hard thing. Now we’ve got a part within them claiming to be, uh, German and, um, move on another 10 minutes. And he tells me that he doesn’t speak any German in any way, shape or form, and move on to the end of the session.

And now we’ve got a highly emotional guy who claims to how to be this part. But in a past life, it’s something that I don’t practice, I don’t practice. I used to do that for a bit of fun. I’m not, I’m not really a past life regressionist, although I’ve done hundreds of these cases. But real imagine, here comes that, Tell again, Jason.

Yeah, we would imagine this guy who’s come to see me at eight o’clock on a Monday night driven 150 miles. He’s speaking to me in German and he’s telling me he doesn’t speak German, but he was a, a German doctor in the 1940s. He committed suicide. So I have to pay attention to that. Yeah, I know there’s lots of, uh, arguments there of why that could be other than.

You know what I’m saying? I, I, I get that, but I have to pay attention to that. So where it moves into completely different areas and we come back to the question, who the hell are we? You know? I mean, what is it? 28 billion years ago we, there was a big bond. Uh, we’ve been around for millions of years. Sure we have, but the, the, the type of being we are now not took place about 600,000 years ago.

And if we score all that time down to one year, you know, the Homo SAPs that we all know, we arrive two seconds before New Year’s. You know, we, we are, we don’t know who the hell we are on the planet. So we’ve got lots of, um, highly intelligent people who are cognitive thinkers saying, This is what we are.

On the other side of the coin, we got, you know, we’ve got woo woo, yeah. Mm-hmm. , But I think there’s room in between there to say, well, well, maybe there’s this. And, and, and maybe there’s a, maybe there’s that and maybe it’s true. Yeah. So I like this little part of my life now that I can get involved in and I can talk openly about it that I, I wouldn’t dream of doing when I was working, let’s say in Harley Street, uh, with my little letters after my name, I couldn’t talk openly like this.

But now in my 68 year, I don’t have to worry too much about it. I can , I can just say, you know, these are my findings, you know? Yeah. I don’t think I’m going, I forget who it was. There was someone that, there was an old story around, uh, I forget, I’m racking my brain on the name, but it’s the whole thing of like, Oh yeah, he used to get up and speak at conventions about the fact that there was no past lives.

And then in his later years he was, and the joke was, yeah, he’s just widening us options. Uh,

No, it’s where I, That’s lovely. See, I’d look at it all and go, you know, prove either direction. And it’s where, um, for those that have been around me personally, I live in this place of what I’ve coined is apathetic agnosticism of going, Eh, eh, which it could be a little bit of every direction, but its where, you know, to be the chameleon with the client or to be so open to some other, Different way of thinking about something, and it’s from that interaction that suddenly we, we find again, I love that you keep coming back to the phrase real or imagined, that it’s from their perceptions, it’s from their connection as to where the process really takes shape.

Which what I wanted to ask you, which, um, having now trained a lot of people in the way that you work, It’s always interesting to see when a specific process, uh, flourishes even further because now other people are taking it into their hands. Other people are taking into their office with their clients.

Have there been any developments now that other people have been now using these techniques for years? Oh yeah. I mean, it goes on. I’ve got lot. I’ve never actually, uh, developed sworn trainers, although I have robbed gr in, uh, in Belgium. It’s a thing I’ve never done, and I’m thinking doing maybe for next year.

I don’t know if I Do. You know what? It’s just, I don’t know if I can be bothered. I, I don’t. It’s truth. I’m not sure if I’m not, I’m not sure I want to, but, um, I think I’m gonna be forced to because a few really good people have asked me to. And I, I might do something that. So there’s, I mean, this one is a part of a a 16 step process that I do that’s called the master consultation.

Really? This one’s just a part of that, Yeah. Mm-hmm. . So if I, if I, if I dump this one tomorrow, I’d be fine and everybody else would be just fine. Of course they would. Yeah. There’s just a pebble I found in a beach. That’s all that it is. It’s quite a nice pebble, but, you know, there’s lots of wonderful therapists.

Is is good And if not far better than, Who’ve never heard of the swan, and that’s the way it should be. Of course. Yeah. So yes, it will, it will move into other things. It has moved into other things and um, and even right now as we speak, we are moving in other stuff, um, with, uh, with the, with the swan and uh, hopefully we’re gonna be turning out some other stuff.

Maybe by Mars with a little bit of luck, just areas that we want to go along with it. We’re pulling things into it. So for example, I get a guy called Lance Baker from Sydney, a Soya. He says to me, um, any chance of doing a thing on spiritual healing? And I laugh and I say, Well, I don’t think I can take spiritual healing into hypnosis.

It would get laughed at. And he says, But you’ve been doing this since the 70 years. I, I was an accredited healer long before I did hypnosis. And I said, Yeah. He said, Well, should we run up the flag pull and see what happens? And I say, Yeah, we can do that and see how it goes. And he contacts me that same evening and says, You know, we’ve got 20 people with.

You know, they’ve, they’ve purchased tickets. They want to learn about this link to hypnotherapy and also link to hemotherapy. I, I teach people how to see auras. . We can have some good fun with that. And it’s, it’s something I’ve done since I was all my life. I thought everybody could, and then run about the age of 12.

And I, I realized I was, some people not. Seeing stuff that I saw, I made no claims about it by the end. I don’t, I don’t know what the hell I’m looking at. I can’t read them. Uh, I, I even seriously consider pretending I could read them. That would’ve been good fun, but it wouldn’t have been true. Uh, I spent a lot of time teaching lucid dreaming, lucid dreaming in this swan for me.

Absolutely. Go under glove in many, many ways of, of everything I do. So, um, And Father Lucid Dreaming is a, is a big thing I’m hoping to do in 2019. I’m, I just come back from the holy aisle and the west coast of Scotland three, four weeks ago working with a whole team of Buddhist over there. And it was just great, great fun.

You know, we live, we live, uh, a third of our life. We sleep. What a wasted time that would be. So people who are loosed in dream state can be far more lucid in the waking state. And I’ll be, I’ll be doing a bit of that when I can move to, To Virginia and Chicago is, and we’ll, we’ll throw that into the mix as something I feel strong about.

Yeah. Yeah. So that place where the work has continued to develop, any, any discoveries that other people have made, uh, using your process? You can think of. . Well, what I’ve got is I’ve got claims that other people have told me about using my process, and all I’ve got is their claims of the stuff that they say they’ve discovered.

So for example, I use this swan with somebody who comes to me with bought eyesight. Yeah. Mm-hmm. . So I have a bit of fun with them, and lo and behold, this 78 year old woman. Doesn’t quite throw her glasses away, but she sees clearly without her glasses. In fact, not, not only does she go through the chart, you know, when the, the, the, it gets smaller and smaller and smaller, but she gets to the ninth line and she, she points out a typo, an error that I made.

And I’m quite excited about this because remember Jason, I don’t know what the hell I’m doing. I thought we could have a bit of fun and ask this one, can you do this? Can you do that? Can you do that? You do this, can you do this? And can you do this with bells on? So I get some great results. So I tell some of my sworn students, my sworn colleagues about this, they go off.

But since then I’ve got lied from Belgium who’s come and said he was using the swan for a woman. Just recently and, um, not only did no, no, my client to let you understand it lasted for 10 hours. Yeah. Hmm. So the 78 year old woman could see perfectly for 10 hours, but with my hand in my heart, I’d have to say what I did is I’d relax the hell, the hell with this woman.

And as we, as we get older, our eyes get more tear. And I think, I think we just put a whole boost of strength into our eyes. I don’t know anything else about it. I’m not an expert to that. I don’t know anything about it. I think that’s what happened. But my guy tells me that he’s somebody. He said somebody throwing away their glasses.

They see perfectly well. I went to applaud him by, Haven’t seen that. I haven’t witnessed that until it happens. You know what? I don’t really believe that. So , I need to go there. I need to touch, You can see that I’m flashing to the most extremely random reference I can come up with right now, which is an old, uh, Canadian sketch comedy group.

Kids in the hall had a, uh, Line one time on one of their albums, which was that, eh, as an old man, just kind of rambling about something going, Hey, get a clock radio. That’s the kinda life you’re gonna lead. uh, . And just something about that phrase of, you know, whether it’s the, you know, the, the dependence. I could look skeptically and say, depending on the, uh, you know, the dependency upon the glasses before I had lasers shot in my eyeballs of moments.

You know, Well, I felt I needed them all the time, when really, no, I was just nearsighted. Um, and didn’t quite need them all the time. And, you know, sometimes the thing heals and she doesn’t need the walker anymore. Yeah. Um, so yeah. Yeah. So what I love about this dialogue though is again, is that continuation of taking something.

When, when you refer to that entire system of how you work with people, uh, what are some of those other elements that would come into.

So I’m trying to think if your, if your guiding me in a certain area, you want me to talk about ? Um, Um, so the, the, the, the one, I mean, here’s the, here’s the challenge that have Jason mm-hmm. . I, rather than me tell people what I think, I just report stuff. I mean, I’m a full-time therapist. Yeah. So a lot of people forget.

I get up every Monday, I go to work, and although I’m trying to get down to a three day week, I’m being highly unsu success with doing it. I wanted to go Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, but I’m mainly a full-time therapist. I do a bit of training and I do a lot of mentoring, private mentoring that people come.

But I’m a full-time therapist, so I just report what happens. So if I was to say this to you, for example, that mm, 25 years ago I walked into a room in a place called In the Highlands of Scotland. I saw a person going to trans A park, came through and spoke to his, and I pulled me right back to even my earlier stuff in the sixties, early seventies and spiritualism.

And now we’re looking at what Americans would call channeling. Yeah. And I see that heartening again, here comes the term real or margin. But, um, the party came through, didn’t claim to be a, a male or a female from a party’s life, but claimed to be an. How about that from somewhere like 15,000 light years away who was neither male or female, but lived in the edge of this planet and was an energy 30 of your earth Miles,

Yeah. Up in the air and, and I’m sitting there thinking, what a waste of a Saturday morning for me. Yeah. For. On Bob Burns. It’s not fair for me. I’m advanced some that, that is ridiculous. But what if I was to tell you that, you know, 25 years later, I get lots of that stuff. I get lots of highly in people that come and see me, don’t believe anything.

They’ve never been in trans before. They’ve never s sworn before. They go to state. I get the right voice, they come sue them and they talk of. They talk of about being a, a friend from a past life, a mother or a father from a past life and from a past life, or a friend that traveled with them through many, many lives.

And on tons and tons and tons of, Here we go, energies. Mm-hmm. , just energies. Mm-hmm. . So I have to listen to that. I have to listen to these people who are highly intelligent, travel lots of miles. Give me money, Sit there. They have no, they have no dog in this. On the country, it’s all theirs. I just sit there.

It, The good news is, the great news is because of my sworn thing, within five minutes, this thing turns waves at them. And I ask them the question, Do you think I’m, do you think I’m using wires? Do you think I’m maybe cheaping to do something here? And they’ll laugh at me as if I’m an idiot. No. Well, are you doing it?

Have you filed 150 miles to pay me money to, to pretend like we’ve not? No. So they’re not. So if I’m not doing it and. Doing it. We’ve, we’ve got two areas, let’s say that maybe some form of reality or, or you are truly absolutely crazy and absolutely I can do it. I can do this for you for a hundred bucks.

Yeah. So, and that’s what happens. So we, we end up, we end up building a bond tumor gets vol in the room, but we still come back to what we have this thing that’s claiming to be. And lots of the things they claim to be are, are crazy things that they claim to be. I mean, in the Sworn Speaks, for example, we’ve got this lovely girl called Wendy who’s put on, uh, I think, I believe it’s three stone or something.

It was 42 pounds. And the party that comes through claims to be a woman. Who died of, um, starvation in Nazi Germanys a 1944. Her husband died two years later. He was shot by head of the Americans at the British. So I say to the, the part and I say, Okay, well look, would you would, can we move on now if we could?

Is it time for you to move on? And she says, No. You know, I moved on. I’m, I’m, I’m inside Helen. I’m, I’m having a, a great time eating all this stuff. And I said, Well, you know, I can have you remember, we, we are filming live. I have to come up with something right now. This is not one of these little script things.

I could roll with . First of all, you know, I can, I can, I can have you removed. And she just looks at me and goes, if I’m an idiot. Yeah. So, so what do we do? What, what, what do I do? We do like they do in the movies. Jason, I Summ. The husband from a white light. Yeah. Mm-hmm. , She goes into the white light. Mm-hmm.

She looks over her shoulder thankss and leaves with him, and he thanks me as well. The good news is the woman loses the three stone. Now I would love to take that to its ultimate level and say how clever and why you see the stuff that I know, but I don’t really know anything too. I, I’m playing this game, game thing with the, the help of this thing that I called the swan to get me that.

But at the end of the day, the woman loses the weight. And of course, in all fairness, that’s maybe confirmation that all of that is true, which it’s not. Of course, it’s it’s confirmation that she believed it to be true, maybe. And it’s really helped her that this part that’s eating all the eating, all the pies has gone.

So I’m very much aware of that. But at the point of, yeah, at the point of when I’m in the therapy room, I, um, I’ve paid my ticket for the movie. So I have to believe in the reality of the mu of the movie. Yeah, I’ve paid my five bucks. So I go with whatever I’m being presented with and I totally believe.

The woman from Germany, I believe she’s real. I believe the guy’s real, at least till the end of the session, . That’s, that’s the deal. Yeah. I love that. And this is where it becomes, uh, there just happens to be an audience and now it’s just you and I here cuz it’s where I, I’ve been using for years the mindset of, yeah, I’m sitting there watching the movie along with the client and.

Part of, part of the audience may get a little offended. It’s like Bob just said to the client, Maybe they’re crazy and that’s gonna give a negative suggestion. And it’s, it’s dumb, Which I, I, I, let me, I the places where we can use the modifier word respectfully and get away with a lot of things of, I respectfully do that quite frequently where, um, I, so often here’s the psychologist referral and well, you know, the doctor told me, it was just in my head, Well, yeah, of course it’s in your head, otherwise you wouldn’t be thinking about it.

And . Have you heard of this before? No. It’s weird, but here’s what we can do about it. But there’s that place to bring that, that humor into the process that just getting that laughter in there and whatever reality is there is, I love that phrasing of, I don’t have to believe it, but I need to believe it at least while we’re together.

Um, that, you know, everything is some style of an asset that we can now put to use and now use as part of the process. Well, yeah. And back to this wonderful thing, uh, rapport. And you and I know each other, Jason, so we both know that both of us have got a good sense of humor and a great part of rapport to about that question.

Yeah. I know during your workshop, he kept fun on . Yeah, I did, but I meant it gently and not in a bad way. , I think. I think that’s really important. But you know what I’m saying. So somebody says that’s what the doctor said. Yeah, that is what the doctor said, but how did he see it? Yeah. So when, when people come to me to be mentored, for example, they see people arriving at me in my therapy room for the first thing, and people will be listening to this right now.

And I know that. I know that some people are gonna listen to this and think I’m a complete raving idiot and guess. I’m okay. I’m in my 68th year. Leave me alone. I’m doing fine. But here’s the deal. When I’m mentoring somebody, uh, they get a shock when I go one, two wide awake, not person. Open their eyes and they hear me say, and here we are all the way back, fully closed once again,

And they laugh and I laugh and it’s never caused me a problem. Is there an argument to say one day? One day, yes, of course it is, but. Ha. Yeah. Mm-hmm. , this is, this is kind of my style, so I find that with the, with rapport, man, I can, I can, I can me, we, we who have rapport can move mountains far better than someone with me skills.

Jonathan Chase said something in his book ones, didn’t he? Uh, looking at my eyes, it was, it was the best lean in the book, and it was, I can give you the skill, but you have to bring talent. I can’t give you the talent. Mm. So that talent I’m talking about is this wonderful talent, which is called rapport, that you can see just about anything to a client and it, it moves mountains.

I truly, I truly believe that. Yeah. Well, it’s where tonality and intention, you know, I, I’ve had to, uh, I’ve had to clarify things that have been an Emanuel that I give my students when they come to my classes. Like, you really say that to people. It’s like, well, yeah, on paper when you read, you’re not gonna be made to bark like a dog or cluck like a chicken, unless that’s what it takes.

Uh, it’s like take it out of context almost. That that is a little alarming, but it’s all the delivery of the moment of, and, and by getting that laugh in that experience, I just, you know, most of the pre-talk becomes then courtesy that I’m giving it, or really I can focus that pre-talk time, not on dispelling myths and misconceptions, but instead of setting that positive expectation of where we’re gonna go.

Totally. And you, you chose the words toity and intention, and I would add onto them the skills of hope to hesitate, hope to modulate how to emphasize. And I could say that to certain people and they look at me, you know, blankly as I say, you know, what is he saying? ? Yeah. And they really would not know what I’m even saying.

And I’ve, I’ve seen lots of people doing their presentation with no idea of n or intention or hesitation modulation or ation, and it’s just bland. You know, it’s just, just really blonde. So these are skills that need to be absolutely developed. So how are, how do you feel they’re trained in the process?

Are they trained by giving specific examples or just by, uh, by, let’s call it the osmosis of being in the room with people who are able to handle that delivery. ASM is big, isn’t, Itm is big. I mean, that’s how I, I would’ve lent my stuff. I suppose. I, I was a copier. Uh, and I don’t mind, uh, saying that. Mm-hmm.

So my, my, uh, the people I, I learned from one of my first teachers was, uh, William Lyman Stone Mine. I mean, you know, how lucky was I to have this ridiculous billionaire who, who made his, his millions by selling newspapers, walking down the street, Little words that you would give me upstairs, downstairs, every port of.

What does that mean? Obvious upstairs don’t see us. Every board of cold. It means you never leave the street till you’ve seen everybody in the street. So it’s beautiful. He would tell me, Do it now. Somebody said, Do it. What does that mean? Do it now. It means everything. That’s what it means. Do it now. When he said to me, You only need to do three things to be success in life.

See the people. See the people, and see the people. To me that’s huge. To other people it doesn’t mean too much. And when I was there back to this thing, how my, he and all my other heroes, how they would, how they would do that? No, they would hesitate how they would know the head. How they would reach forward and touch somebody in the cuff, as they said, I don’t think so, do you?

All these small te we ain’t see things I would copy from them until before I knew it. Woo. Guess what? It’s me. That’s absolutely me. But all of it was done on their so shoulders of joints. And hopefully I didn’t do what a lot of people do. I didn’t smash these shoulders of joints. I stood on them nicely gently.

And I hold my, my giants up for the world and say the are the guys I, I, I, I, I was I, They taught me, you know? And nearly all of me is, is is my best. And these guys, it’s all copied. Bob Burns is completely copied people over the years. And that’s a fact. Yeah, I think we call that modeling excellence.

Modeling. Excellent. Let me write that down them. Yeah. , love you. You can, you can copy that one. Uh, before we wrap up, I wanted to chat a little bit cause I know it’s a, it’s a similar background that you and I both have, but, um, the, the concept of mentalism for hypnotists. Yeah. And I’m curious to see how that, how that fits into, if that fits into a change process for you, or if that’s its own separate category.

Um, well, I would roll with both of these things. So for example, if you, if you walk with me, you’ll see somebody coming again who doesn’t believe I can help him. My last client today at five o’clock, Derek has, has got, uh, he’s, he’s in. He, he needs to believe that I can help him. He needs to believe that I know things.

So what I do is I say, Let’s have a bit of fun. You ever seen a magician work where they say to you, Here’s the deck of card. Take a card out the deck, and they guess what the card is? And he looks at me blankly and he says, Well, yeah. I said, Lie, do that differently. I just want, I didn’t even have a pocket cards.

I want you to think of a card. Can you think of a card for me? And he says, Yeah. And, uh, I, we, we, we, we, we, we play around for a way well, and I say, What is the card? And he said, Well, I thought you would get it. I said, Well, I have it, but it’s actually in your pocket. And he looks at me strangely and he tells me his card.

There’s a Jack of Clubs and ask him to go into his book and he pulls out of there. That’s a big moment. That’s a huge, huge moment in his mind. Yeah. If I ask him to think of a coin, any coin he wants needs is a 50 pence piece and I spew outta my mouth and give it to you. I’m all glowing with my sali on it.

That’s a huge moment for some people to, to, to be there right now. And if I can say to them, I can do. I, I, yeah, I can do that. It’s a huge moment for me to take out a pendulum and show him that this thing is going crazy all over the place. And then explain the, the, the works of the pendulum where it came from without wonderful, uh, uh, French chemist who showed us that.

If psycho, the man can tell, sum the body that it’s, it’s ill psycho. The man can also tell sum of the body that is better or that it goes round and round and back and forth simply by a thought. So, but mental mentalism for me is a huge thing. And the, the hypnosis from, yeah, huge thing. Some people part mentalism with magic.

For me, it doesn’t work. It, it cheapens, it mentalism with hypnosis. Very, very powerful thing. Very powerful. Awesome. Awesome, Bob. Looking forward to, uh, March next year. Well, I’m gonna show a couple of guys there. I promise you when I, when I come there to Virginia and Chicago, I’m gonna show him a couple mentalist things they can use in the therapy room with one person or whether they’re doing a big demonstration that nobody’s seen before.

Cuz it’s my stuff and they’ll be able to use it for the rest of their lives and, uh, yeah, they’ll, they’ll like it. They’ll like it and they’ll use it. All right. Well thanks for coming back on now. Where can people find you online to learn more? Uh, well, my, uh, I am, I am Bob Barns of Life in Hypnotherapy.

That’s my, uh, that’s my thing. Uh, or they can join my, uh, my forum, which is Bob Barns hypnotherapy. I did it for a bit of fun, like I said, a couple months ago. And by the end of the week it had about 1800 members. I have no idea where they came from. . I have no idea at all. But like, but like every other form, you know, we’ve got nearly 2000 people, about seven people talking.

Yeah. . So we, we can brag. We can brag about 2000 as much as we want. No, it’s a good bunch. It’s a good bunch in Bob Bunch in therapy for anyone wants to join. We’ll, we’ll get you in there. Um. And, uh, that’s me in a, a kind of a scattered nutshell, Lifeline Hypnotherapy is my, uh, my website more therapy is the main forum that, that I, uh, I frequent.

Yeah. Excellent. We’ll put links to those over in the show notes [email protected] plus of course, the links to, uh, bob Burns swan usa.com for all the details of the upcoming training. Uh, Bob, I’ll see you soon. Okay, Jason, Bio Medica, take care.

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