Session #311: Chris Lemig on True Nature Hypnotherapy

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This is the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast, session number 311, Chris Limick on True Nature hypnotherapy. Welcome to the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast with Jason Lynette, your professional resource for hypnosis training and outstanding business success. Here’s your host, Jason Lynette. It’s a bit of an interesting story, oftentimes how we end up meeting other people in this profession, how we notice what.

Other people are up to, or even, there’s often a bit of a story as to how specific people end up on this podcast, and it’s that I started noticing this guy who was not too far from where I live at the moment, down in Virginia, or really up in Virginia as we’re about to move down to Florida. But the nature of seeing Chris Limig online and interacting and just occasionally chiming in and posting some rather interesting things.

And it’s about that time that suddenly his name popped up in my email. Having joined the hypnotic business systems community and looking at, again, the interaction and just kind of keeping tabs on, here’s someone who just kind of gets it, and also seeing a little bit more of the backstory that you’re about to hear inside of this week’s episode.

A phenomenal conversation here with Chris, that following that route of becoming ordained as a Tibetan Buddhist monk, then leaving that world behind. And then getting into hypnosis, which in that moment already I kind of tagged to go one of these days. We’re gonna get Chris on the podcast because as this program is, these are the conversations that genuinely as a practitioner of hypnosis myself, These are the conversations that I want to have, and you know, just several thousand of you also get to listen to it as well and hearing more of the story that you’re about to hear of personal transformation than looking to an opportunity to completely change a philosophy, a faith, a belief system, and kind of uprooting an entire life and moving to another.

Part of the world, spending time directly with the Dali Lama and then making that decision to then come back over here to the States and how hypnosis was a small part of the story originally, and then advancing that education and now as we like to say, becoming a true worker in the hypnotic profession.

Someone who’s doing a lot of the right. So you’re gonna hear a dialogue in terms of how Chris approaches change. You’re gonna hear some of the philosophies that have remained with him of the time spent as a Tibetan buddhi Buddhist monk. You’re gonna hear some of these strategies too, as of course, as we often do hear on the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast, talking about the actual business strategies that are bringing people in.

And trust me on this, listen to that part of the conversation very carefully because it’s where there’s a very specific piece of advice that a number of us have been saying for years. My premise of it is that it’s in the 21st century. You are a media company first that happens to provide products and services, so it’s a metaphorical shining of the spotlight in some different directions, and by doing so, creates a business that listened to Chris’s responses to some of my questions.

When we talk about the nature of a business. Even in the midst of now taking everything online, what can you do to work with a clientele that you don’t have to sell to is a very important conversation. And I’ll just say it bluntly, is the way that you ought to be running your business right now. And if you’re not doing that yet, check out hypnotic business systems.com.

Or even better, we’ve got a brand new webinar. Head over to jason webinar.com. Turns out I’ve owned that webpage for a bunch of years. We’ve redirected that over to a brand new presentation called The Six Steps to a Six Figure Hypnosis Business. This is a. on demand presentation, you can access right [email protected], which inside of it.

Now, this is a slightly different presentation than what I typically do because sometimes we just kind of tell you the steps of what to do to grow your business. This one’s about 45 minutes long and stick through the entire thing because it’s not just gonna tell you what to do. It’s actually gonna give you some of the step by step mechanisms to get started with those six specific things.

Right away. The whole principle of this is, these are the things that I come back to in my business time and time again, and even for my students inside of hypnotic business systems or the folks I do private consulting with. This is kind of that sort of hit list of things that if you keep revisiting these six specific steps, that’s what helps the business to grow time and time again.

No matter what the global market may be, you can check that out [email protected]. This episode is releasing in February. So let me also give a quick mention to work smart hypnosis live.com. This is the live and online hybrid hypnosis certification program that includes access to my hypnotic workers community as well.

But this event coming up is a bit of a on demand. Sort of a, uh, bi popular demand type event because we’ve previously done two events bringing on Dr. Richard non guard as a guest trainer selling out every single one of them. I was getting a bunch of emails saying, Please do this again, and here we go.

It’s an IC B C H certification program, but I’ll give you a preview of the video that you should watch over at the Work Smart hypnosis live.com website. It’s the fact that about half of the people who take this. Are brand new to hypnosis and this is kind of their welcoming, their entry into the profession.

Meanwhile, the other half, maybe the majority of you who listen to this podcast, people who already have perhaps substantial hypnosis training, but maybe you’re not consistently getting the results you feel you want to be getting. Maybe perhaps you’re stuck inside of Richard protocols or scripted techniques, and that’s really what this training is about is.

Breaking down the foundation of the process, and as I hinted in this conversation with Chris, how it seems this dialogue of an evidence based approach to hypnosis in some way, also mostly popularized by Richard non guard, is all about bringing the modern research of the hypnotic profession into the work that we do, which, yes, as I talk about in this conversation, is actually about resurfacing 5,000 year old methods.

Some of. Directly comes from Buddhist philosophy. So if you’re looking for ways to really jumpstart your hypnosis practice, get some better techniques, and sort of eradicate the game of someone’s coming, and I don’t yet know what to do, this is a training based upon building a universal approach to change.

In which the quality of the change process is directly proportionate to the quality of the intake that you do. We’re genuinely not because it’s a popular phrase in the industry, but yes, indeed, the client writes the script for us. So this event will be unique as, once again, Richard and I are doing this one together, which means you get even more stuff, uh, content for me, content from Richard and an onboarding into an incredible industry.

So check that. Work Smart hypnosis live.com and genuinely, this is a conversation I’ve been wanting to have for quite some time. You are in for a treat. Listen the whole way through. There are incredible nuggets in this conversation. Here we go. Episode number 311. Chris Leig on True Nature hypnotherapy.

Yeah. For me, Jason, it was a little bit serendipitous. I was living in India actually for quite some time. I was over there for about three and a half years. I had actually taken ordination as a Tibetan Buddhist monk, and as I was living over there studying Tibetan language, Buddhist philosophy and religious ritual, the Tibetan culture and and all that sort of stuff alongside his holiness to dma, which was really, really super cool.

Oh, wow. You know, I had a absolutely wonderful, amazing time over there. However, in about 2016, I had to come back to the States and one thing led to another, and I just decided that. Best if I just returned back to, to lay life, it’s called I, I returned my ordination vows. I, you know, just became a normal everyday guy, still a Buddhist practitioner and all of that.

However, I was like, So what do I do next? You know, what’s the sort of the next chapter in my life? And I had always wanted to do something that was like, You know, sort of counseling people, helping people through, you know, this jungle, you know, journey called life. And I stumbled across hypnosis and hypnotherapy training.

And as I looked into it a little bit more, I was just struck by like how similar a lot of the basic principles and techniques were to all of the stuff I had been studying for the past almost 15 years in terms of, you know, spiritual technologies and approaches and different technique. Yeah. Which I’m gonna go back in time here for a bit.

Sure. That, what was that, What was that journey? What was kind of that thought process to then go into that, that three and a half years over in India? Well, it was, you know, just kind of, uh, one thing led to another back in about 2007, 2008. I had started to get into Tibetan Buddhism and you know, a little bit of a, a little bit of full disclosure here.

I was just coming out of a period of, I, I was just entering a path of sobriety and recovery at the time. Mm-hmm. . And the moment I got super, you know, excited and opened to all these new different possibilities that life had to offer. One of them being Buddhism, Tibetan Buddhism in particularly. And I just said to myself, Man, I gotta get to India.

So I flew over there, spent about two months after the first three days I was actually. Comfortable there. The first three days I was thinking, have I made a terrible mistake? , Is this the worst idea I ever had? Because it was really culture shock, you know, times a thousand. Is there a specific moment that that illustrates that?

Is there a story around that? Just walking out of the airport in New Delhi the first time, and you know, just completely disregarding everything I had learned in the guidebooks about don’t do that, don’t walk outta the airport until you’ve secured a taxi, because you will get. Robbed . Wow. So I walked out and I got totally scammed on a taxi ride and almost got taken to the wrong hotel.

And it was just crazy just going down the highway at, you know, after midnight and oxen carts going by and big trucks and people camped along the side of the road and smoke everywhere and noise and smells and I was just on overload. Yeah. And uh, and I was just like, Oh my God, this is just terrible. Can I just get back on the plane?

So then when, when did that turn around then to go, Okay, this was the right choice. This is what I’m doing now? Yeah. It was when I had finally gotten up to a little town called Dala, also, uh, called McCloud gge. And that’s where his holiness sad Lama lives. And I was able to go and see. I just, my trip coincided perfectly with some teachings he was gonna be giving.

And so as soon as I arrived up there, this is about day two or three, the teachings began and I. Went down there and I was just like, Oh my gosh, this is just amazing. So being able to see, you know, the Dai Lama like in person, very close up without a whole lot of, you know, security and, and all these sort of other factors.

And just seeing him in his, you know, you know, cultural home, his environment was deeply moving. And I said to myself at that point, I was like, this is it for me. You know, this is, this is really it and I really wanna pursue this to, uh, you know, for the rest of my life. So, so that’s kind of what, what set me on that.

Yeah, that’s, that’s incredible. Then. So then walk us through that sort of decision to leave that life then. Yeah, I was, you know, I had, I had pretty much gone all in, you know, put all my chips in there and decided that I was going to, you know, take ordination and take all the vows of a monastic, you know, and I was studying the Tibetan language and you know, really into it.

I had actually gone to Tibet’s a couple of times. I had spent a lot of time in Nepal as well, which is very culturally Tibet. And it was all wonderful and it was great. And you know, to be honest, I ran out of money , and that’s just kind of a reality for, you know, Western monastics these days is that there’s not a system of, of financial support like there is over in Asia, you know, the, the Buddhist monastic tradition and actually the just sort of the, you know, the, the spiritual.

Aesthetic. Tradition is well supported over there. It’s well accepted. There’s, there’s whole systems in place that allow people to do that. You know, you, you’re provided everything, all your basic necessities, your food, your, your housing and your clothes, and that’s really all you need. And then you just, you study, practice the, the meditation and practice the, the teachings and, and then you, what you return is what you’re, you.

The contract is, is that you give back to society what you’ve learned and what you’ve discovered for no charge, you know, just just for the basic support. Yeah. And so, So when I came back to the United States, unfortunately that system isn’t here yet. And what I realized was, is I was just, I was gonna have to go back to work anyway.

I was gonna have to take on a full-time job. And it just seemed to me that it would be better to just not try to balance those two things. It would’ve been too, it would’ve diluted. The vows that I had taken, essentially. So it would’ve made them be sort of moot almost. You know, I would’ve had to be breaking all of these vows in order to just provide for myself.

So I decided, you know what? I can still practice this. You know, I can still do meditation, I can still study, I can still practice. No problem. I can just go back to being a normal guy, . Yeah, I love that. Which, let, let’s go into sort of the personal side of it though, which is that. You know, going into it after some life events and then going through the experience of that.

If you had to kind of encapsulate whether it’s, whether it’s based in faith, whether it’s based in philosophy, some of the, you know, even just the tenants of what you had studied, what would you say were those biggest takeaways? From coming from that. Yeah. The biggest takeaways were just recognizing, recognizing the universality of, of human suffering.

Mm-hmm. . And that’s really sort of at the core of most Eastern Phil philosophical traditions on Western stuff too. No, don’t get me wrong, but, but it’s definitely highlighted, and especially in Buddhism, you know, it talks a lot about the condition of life and how when we are, you know, kind of in the muck and mier of it, it’s all characterized by this general sense of unsatisfactoriness, you know?

Mm. Because everything’s, I permanent. Even the good stuff that we get, even the, all the success and all the, you know, the great relationships and, and you know, everything that’s really positive in our lives. All that’s I permanent, we’re gonna have to let go of that at some point. So there’s this general sense of like, yeah, you know, things are great.

It’s not all. Total misery, but at the same time, there’s a lot of suffering because we have to let all that go. And so that really resonated for me. And another thing that resonated for me was that I rec recognized that not only do I suffer, but everybody else suffers too. And there was this element that that really grabbed me of, you know, you can make all that meaningful.

By looking at how you can, as a human being right now in this life, be a benefit to others. You know, how can you be of service to others? And by doing that, you transcend suffering yourself. , you know, sort of this weird sort of, you know, going against the stream kind of a view, you know, well, I’m, I’m hurting, I’m having hard time.

Well, if I go and help somebody else and just kind of forget about me and help somebody else, that’s actually gonna make me feel better. So that’s sort of the, uh, sort of some of the e. Core bits that sort of, that altruistic attitude. It’s called Bohi Cheeta or the Mind of Awakening, and you could sort of practice that on a daily basis.

And I was just like blown away. It, it brought me to tears sometimes. Yeah. I love that. And you, you brought up something a few moments ago that I, is really right there, the, the definition as to why I love teaching, which is that moment where someone goes, Oh, I’m already kind of doing this. Now I get to do it on purpose.

Right. So the, those correlations as to what you were previously studying and then getting into hypnosis and seeing a lot of. Correlations from one to the other. Right. If you can kind of, you know, sort of bullet point what some of those findings were, what some of those associations. Yeah, sure. I, you know, for sure there’s this, there’s this element of service, You know, what we do in this profession is that we truly do serve others.

And, and there’s also that element of by serving others, by uplifting others, we also uplift ourselves. Mm-hmm. . And so this is a wonderful like, corollary concept, you know? And I think that we really do help people in this profession, and I’ve only been. For a while, a little while, but I’ve already seen just the effects that, you know, that this modality has in people’s lives and how transformative it can be.

So there’s that deep satisfaction that comes out of that. And I tell you what, after I finish a session with somebody, uh, especially a session where we’ve had good rapport and there’s been, you know, I can just see that there’s been change, there’s been, you know, insight. I feel amazing afterwards. You know, I just.

So good. And it doesn’t matter about, you know, financial gain or anything like that. That’s not really the main main point. At that point. It’s like, man, I just feel so uplifted myself. So there’s, there’s that aspect to it that that’s that, that helping other people, you know, working together to create these positive changes.

But then in terms of like technique, I mean, there’s all kinds of. You know, things where there’s a lot of similarities. We use a lot of visualization and hypnosis, and in the eastern spiritual traditions, the spiritual technologies, sometimes they’re called. It’s all about visualizing, and it’s all about visualizing in such a way that you’re also reframing.

Sort of your perception of reality. So you’re looking at ordinary objects, ordinary phenomena, and you’re just saying, You know what? Actually, no, I’m going to use my imagination and imagine all of this as being all awakened, all enlightened, mind, enlightened energy, enlightened beings all around me. And in so doing, you sort of, you up, you know, you uplift yourself and, and, and move closer to a more of a enlightened view of, of how things actually are.

And there’s also just sort of this aspect of just letting go of erroneous beliefs, things that are just not so true unexamined beliefs that, that we hold onto about how things are and we stick our thumb on everything we say. This is how it. And, and, and it shall never change. And, and, and what we do in both in hypnosis and in in these spiritual practices is we say, No, let’s look at this a little bit closer and let’s see how things really are.

Ah, you know what? Actually things aren’t as solid and real as I think they are. You know, these things that I’ve always believed about myself. Maybe they’re not true. Maybe there’s other possibilities out there. So there’s these sort of like, you know, Connections that I just find found to be so fascinating.

And, and it was per, like I say, it was a kind of this perfect, you know, way to move into this new chapter and slip on this, you know, this, this new set of clothing, this new hat, you know, which, the fascinating thing is just, just to give a timeframe when, when we talk about Buddhism, when we talk about the philosophy, the tenants of that, like how far back time wise does that.

We’re talking, you know, at least 2,600 years. Yeah. And, and also, you know, when we, when we look at that, we have to understand too, that the Buddha came out of, you know, the historical Buddha came out of a spiritual society that was at least 5,000 years old. And, and those, those, those, so he was. He was steeped in that already and he just had a slightly different view on, on all of that stuff that had already gone before him.

So it’s incredibly ancient and that’s the the amazing thing when we look at hypnosis. It’s like, it’s actually an ancient, ancient, ancient set of principles. So whi, which what’s amazing about that is this modern trend of. This modern trend of evidence based hypnosis, Right? And when you look at what they’re actually studying, it’s information like this, which goes back, you know, 2,500 plus years.

Right? And even further beyond that. So I, I was curious to ask this. When, when you’re working with someone, are you directly at times giving reference and credit and talking about the origins of these things? Are they coming from just, you know, in terms of the personal change, putting it in their context, how, how much of this are you actually bringing in to the experience?

Only that much, which is appropriate. Yeah. And only that much, which, which the client is open to. Nice. And, and I, and I work with people from the beginning, and I kind of, you know, I kind of test the waters there and I, you know, I’ll ask questions, you know, on a scale of one to 10, how, how spiritual do you consider yourself to be now?

So I have a, have a kind of a joke that I don’t have it on my website. I’m gonna try to put it in there someday. But I offer three tiers of service. I offer, uh, no. Woo woo. Semi woo woo and full on woo woo . So, um, yeah, so it just sort of, it depends on the person, you know, Although to be, to be fair, oh, let’s go here, there are some levels that are even beyond woo woo.

Right, Right, exactly. I’d say, you know, you look at some of these philosophies that are inside of it, you know, and, and one of the themes that I’ve always. Really, really, you know, had a lot of benefit from it. Helped me to break through some things of my own, was the one that, yes, it’s got a Clickworthy, uh, title, the book that was called The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck , which, right what it’s worth, hit a record by getting number one on New York Times best seller without like mainstream media because you can’t go on the n NBC Today Show or NPR with a book with that name.

So he did that all by podcast. Even the author of it, Mark Manson talked about, this is repurposed Buddhi philosophy. The main sort of gist of that book was that when people become successful, they think their problems are gonna go away. And the paraphrase is that no, your problems become more interesting.

Oh, okay. Yeah, I like that. I like that. And they also become manageable. Yeah. They also become extremely manageable and, you know, it’s, it’s sort of like it becomes, instead of the, Oh no, it becomes, oh boy, . You know, I get to, I get, Wow. Instead of like, this is such a drag. It’s like, no, I get to learn something from this.

Or, you know, I get to work through, through this and Yeah. And just learn something new. Well, I think it’s where these themes, in terms of. You know, the, the idea that not necessarily are we getting rid of that feeling or changing that belief system when we, you know, even when we look at the models of, if it were something like hypnotic age regression, right?

You know, the formula needs to be, you know, amplified inside of that model is that experience plus emotion equals perception. And it’s the perception that’s being worked on. It’s not the event the, the spotlight needs to be metaphorically shined somewhere else. So I was curious to ask, is there a specific story of working with a client that kind of illustrates the, the background that you have really informing the.

Specific suggestions, techniques, and the approach with them. Yeah. You know, sometimes it’s just kind of serendipitous, you know, and sometimes it just, things kind of flow. There was one client I was working with that we were doing some regression work and we actually, this person did not have any sort of preconceptions about, uh, you know, past life experiences or anything like that.

And kind of went there, you know, and went there and started to have this experience of something that wasn’t a memory from this life. And just in a. Different setting, a different context. And you know, we just kind of went with that and afterwards they were like, you know, well that was kind of interesting.

I’m not really into, you know, reincarnation. And I was like, Well, you know, you don’t have to be . Mm-hmm. , you know, it doesn’t necessarily, you know, we don’t have to take all this, literally all these experiences, you know, the, the main. Point here is, is that, you know, is there some sort of emotional transformation?

Is there some sort of a release that happens and maybe this was, you know, a genuine past life experience, or maybe it was your imagination and it was the, you know, a skillful way of your subconscious mind working through this problem and giving you a new, you know, context to place this in so that you could have, you know, some deeper insight.

And they’re like, Oh yeah, great. That works. . You know, so, yeah. So that, that’s, that’s, uh, that’s some pretty cool stuff. Yeah. Then, so coming out of that experience, how, was there a specific connection where hypnosis came into the story? Or was it just something that you had known of before and then explored?

How would you kind of map through that experience? Right, right. Uh, a little bit of both. I, I had actually had my own. You know, experience. I had experienced hypnosis before, you know, obviously the stay and hypnosis in high school, I’d seen that, but, uh, but more personally in a, in a therapy context, I, I had a therapist for a while who I was working with, and she did hypnosis and it was great.

It was absolutely wonderful. So I got a little taste of it then. So I had known a little bit about it, but, but not, not a whole lot. You know, it was sort of like, just something that was in the periphery. Yeah. But then, like I say, when. Started to look into it as and look into different programs that I could, you know, join up with and, and, um, uh, get my training.

I started to look into it. I was like, Holy crap, this is amazing. . This is just really cool stuff. And I just, again, I was just blown away by, by all the stuff that it, uh, sort of validated for, for what I’d been, you know, studying and practicing and learning, you know, for the past 15 years or. Nice. So then looking at the nature of things now, it’s where, you know, the more we do this, any decent training, we’ll cover, here’s different induction methods, here’s different change methods.

But over time, even as we’re relatively new at it, we start to internalize things and make it our own. It’s where, you know, even in my trainings, I say the goal of this event, Is not to turn you into a clone of Jason Lynette. There’s already one of me. Right? It’s as Ed for you to understand as I say it, at times, the insane level of attention, the detail that I put to what I do.

Yeah. This way you better understand the how and the why. It’s not just a classical, here’s the tradition, do it that way. Yeah. But even early on, we start to make the process. Our own. So someone is now going to work with you. Can you kind of walk us through what that user experience then becomes? Yeah, sure.

And, and I’m gonna talk about the, the ways that, that I, I, I invite people to, uh, to engage in this experience. And, and we can, we can either go in this direction or I can also, like I said, we can. Tone down some of the aspects of it and, and maybe just do some more of what, you know, quote unquote traditional hypnosis work.

If it’s just with, maybe not just, but if it’s with something like maybe stop smoking. We don’t necessarily have to bring in the, the transpersonal sort of spiritual elements unless you want to. So to, you know, my ideal process is to first of all introduce people to this state of, of hypnosis and just learn how to.

Go there and, and to just kind of let go and begin to, to shut down that sort of, that, that thinking brain, that neocortex functioning and, and get in touch with the, the more emotional limbic system stuff going on there. So we do that, but then immediately I try to take people into the direction of discovering and making connections with their own inner wisdom.

They’re, they’re that part of themselves that has been with them. The beginning since their birth and has seen every single experience, has witnessed every single, uh, you know, victory and tragedy and, you know, loss and gain and, and happiness and joy. And I put them in touch with that. And then from there we start doing some of the therapeutic work.

So by grounding them in this experience of that there is a part of themselves that’s, Truly amazing and, and full of wisdom and full of love and, and healing potential. I put ’em in touch with that and then we begin to do some therapeutic work. Let me, lemme pause you there, cause I love what you just said in terms of building that foundation as to who they are, as we would say in other models, the assets, the resources that are already there inside of them.

Right. To bring in some history to this Dr. John Hartland with the ego strengthening process. I think one of the very, I forget exactly which number, one of the very first episodes of this entire podcast series talked about the ego strengthening process, where as he put it, let’s build up the individual before quote, He was a doctor before going after direct symptom removal, right?

But building up of the individual, which you’re doing in a very holistic way, that’s. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And again, there’s a connection right there too with the spiritual technologies of Asia because what those are aimed at doing is basically dissolving the ego, dissolving this, this sense that, you know, I’m permanent, I exist exactly how I am, and I always have been and always will.

Breaking that down and recognizing that you’re actually much faster than that, connected to. Just everything around you. But, but before you do that, you actually, ironically, have to have a strong ego, , . You have to have this sense of confidence and this sense of like, I can do this, and this sense of self respect so that you take care of yourself along the journey, because it’s, sometimes, it’s a, it’s a, you know, challenging journey.

So the same principle sort of applies to this process that I walk people through. I want them to have an experience, and we do it from the very beginning. You know, where my induction has, you know, has people getting in touch with the fact that, man, just the fact that you’re breathing, isn’t that such an amazing miracle?

Think about that for a little bit. Think about that oxygen going into your body. Every cell of your body knows exactly what to do with those oxygen molecules without you ever having to think about it. Isn’t that a miracle? Isn’t that amazing? That’s you. That’s who you really are. And then we go from there.

You. So, yeah, so it’s, it’s, I love that. I love that, uh, that ego strengthening is very important. Very important. Which the way you just described that, we can think of it as a technique. We can think of it as a theme, and we can kind of satisfy both sides of that by, again, better customizing to the person.

So then when you’re actually then getting to the process of, let’s call it, affecting the change mm-hmm. , what, what are some of those go-to methods? What are some of those go-to approaches? The ones that I tend to go to a lot are, are pure motivation parts work. Mm-hmm. . So, you know, just cuz a lot of times, you know, there’s, there’s these objections to change that come up and, or there’s the, you know, sort of the, the, the quote unquote the problem state itself as maybe so.

Has become such a solid, real thing that what I like to do is after grounding them and those resources that that place of, um, you know, recognizing their own inner wisdom and strength and, and, uh, healing power to, to actually have them have a discussion, have a little bit of a dialogue with this part of themselves.

It’s causing the problem that governs that, that so-called problem area. And through that process of, of inquiry and conversation and dialogue with that part, you know, inevit. People will get to the realization that’s like, Oh, this part of myself really just wants me to be happy. . Mm-hmm. , this part of myself just really wants me to be whole and okay.

And in harmony and, and loved and safe and all these wonderful positive things. And so then we work through, then at that point, integrating that by, through some, through metaphorical and sort of imaginary, um, images and things like, Basically an agreement that, hey, you know, all the ways you were doing this before really weren’t getting what you really want, which is that that wholeness, that harmony, that, that piece, whatever it might be, whatever the positive motivation is, So would you consider doing something different?

And inevitably the answer is eventually at some point the answer is yes, I will. And then we, we go from there to then create that change. And oftentimes you don’t have to do that consciously, that that change just sort of happens. Which again, by building that better foundation and connecting back to the identity who they are, and I love that you said, connecting with that motivation first.

Right, Right. Yeah. So would you paraphrase that as being more of a, you know, more of an outcome based as opposed to problem centered? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. It’s all about, you know, creating solutions. So finding the solutions that, that we already kind of know what they are, but for whatever reason, there’s, there’s something blocking it and it’s usually just, you know, bad information.

Yeah. So kind of walking through that, let’s talk about whether it’s resources, whether it’s self hypnosis. How do you tend to think about arming the client for their own long term resilience? Yeah, I really stress self hypnosis and by creating that connection with those, those inner resources, whether we call it an inner guide or the higher self or you know, whatever, whatever language that, that the client decides is best for them is gonna resonate for them.

You know, I stress that, you know, use this, use this inner. Use it on a daily basis even, and especially, you know, for the, for the immediate future after, after our sessions and just get used to relying on that. So whenever things come up where it’s like, Oh, I’m feeling a little wobbly again, or, Hmm, I don’t know quite what to do here.

Oh, wait a minute, I have this technique. I can instantly take myself into the trance state. I can meet up with my inner guide and. Maybe got an image in mind of that person or object or thing or whatever it is, and that that representation of that part of themselves and they can ask advice and, and find solutions to the, to new problems that may be coming up.

And the more people do that, the better they get at it and the more I think, joyful life becomes at that point. . Yeah. Awesome. So then looking at these skills, looking at these abilities, we find ourselves in a different world than where we were before, about a year ago. Mm-hmm. , what’s, What’s working for you nowadays in terms of bringing those clients in?

Well, what’s working now is networking. Yeah. And that was a bit of, you know, a little bit of a, a pivot I had to do, you know, coming into, you know, this, this new reality that we’re all in. But I finally did join a, a BNI group. Um, I have business networking international, and that has been absolutely fantastic.

So really just kind of working with my own sort of, I guess, inner blocks or whatever, uh, you might wanna say about, uh, about doing networking and getting myself out there. Those are breaking down now. Really just, they’re falling apart as I join this group and, and talk to people and become a part of my community more so you’re really reaching out, you know, talking to others in the community, networking, sharing, referrals, all that kind of stuff is really helpful.

And getting out there with, with writing, you know, I write a, I do a lot of writing online and I, you know, submit a lot of articles at different places and, and get just getting my name out there, it’s all about that, getting that visibility. Yeah, but let’s talk about that because there was a, there was a piece recently that was an interview, something that was published, Was it, uh, medium.com?

Yeah, it was, uh, through, uh, Authority Magazine, which is a subdivision of Huffington Post. Yeah. So that was wonderful. They reached out to me through the, the people who I, who I write for a lot called Choosing, They’re called Choosing Therapy, which is an online mental health resource. And so I do a lot of articles for them and they reached out to me through them and wanted.

Do a in depth interview with me about kind of where I came from and how I got into hypnosis and a lot of the things that we talked about here today. So, yeah, so just, you know, taking any, any opportunity to, to, to write something, to, to post something on somebody else’s, you know, blog or, or, or, Website or whatever comes along, you know, all that sort of stuff.

Anytime that I have an opportunity to sort of get out there and just say, Hey, I’m here and I have something to offer you. Yeah. Um, I, I do that. So Nice. And that’s another thing too. Yeah. I, I take a lot of cues from you as far as like, putting out value for others, you know, not necessarily, uh, selling myself.

To others, but just saying like, Hey, I have this knowledge, I have this, this perspective. I, let me just give you some things that are actually gonna make your life better right now here and now, and, and maybe, you know, those people are gonna. Use that stuff and it’s gonna make a difference in their lives, and they never get in touch with me.

Or maybe five years from now they’re gonna call me up and say like, Hey, you know what? I wanna, uh, I wanna hire you for, uh, for your services. So in, in either case, I’m happy, which I wanna highlight that, which thank you for, for that reference there, that, you know, this is what I’ve been saying for years now, that in the 21st century, you are a media company first.

Right. That happens to provide products and services . Right. And as soon as you step, which, yes, it’s a reframe, it’s a bit of a refocusing of how we talk about what we do, but as soon as someone gets that, and sometimes it takes them a little time to hear it over and over and actually see it, that as much personally, as much as I’m branded as the business guy, I don’t spend too much time selling.

Right. It’s always educating and informing and what that does is, is there. Experience you can think of where here was someone who found one of those articles and then became one of your clients? Absolutely. Absolutely. Just about all my clients. Early, I would say about half of my clients. Ok, good. So that works.

Moving on. Yeah, right. Yeah, no, it’s something that I was very active in BNI in the early years from like 2009 to like maybe 2013, and then. Briefly rejoined a different group with a different set of business goals in mind and, And it’s not that one was better than the other. I’ll phrase it this way, Right.

I found that the client who would find me by my own organic efforts, they’d find the videos online, then land at the Virginia Hypnosis website and then come in, versus the client who was referred to me, I’ll, I’ll just say it simply, it was a different client. Okay, we could still produce the same result, but it kind of informed me what was necessary, what was not necessary.

I’d be curious to ask you that here you are, it’s the referral client versus here’s the one who, you’re the media person, they’ve read your article, and now they’re reaching out. What would you say is that difference between those two? Well, the difference is, is that they’re, you know, the person who’s been exposed to what I have to offer, whether through social media or, or articles or YouTube videos, just knows a little bit better what they’re, what they’re looking for.

Yeah. And, and they’ve dec they’ve made this decision, Okay, I wanna make this change, but how do I wanna make it, Oh, here’s this guy Chris, and sometimes they’ve known me for years, You know, and, and you. Close personal friends, but I have, you know, over the years, collected a lot of, you know, connections over the, over the web and social media and stuff.

And so I’ll have people gimme a call outta the blue who I haven’t talked to in six, seven years who say like, Hey, I’ve got this issue. Can you help me with it? So, so they’ve seen the things I’ve been. Offering for, for years now. Not just since I’ve, you know, took on this new role as a, as a hypnotist and hypnotherapist, but you know, throughout my whole mon experience and, and all that sort of stuff, and they’ve have, there’s this, there’s this rapport already built and there’s this trust already built and this expectation that I’m the person that’s gonna be able to, to give them some sort of a point them in the right direction.

So, so that’s the big difference. You know, when I get, uh, referrals, That person isn’t necessarily as, um, and you say it all the time. As educated. Yeah. Um, as, as those other folks, which again, just to clarify doesn’t necessarily mean one is better than the other, but it doesn’t inform us that, okay, I need to do a little bit more thorough of a pre-talk.

In some ways I have to quote, sell the process Right. A little bit better. Now there’s a, there’s a video I published a while ago of when working with a sleep improvement client, and she was one of those cases where the doctor calls up and says, Okay. Here’s the issue. She can’t afford me. She definitely can’t afford you.

I’m working with her pro bono, and I thought of you, and before you say it, Jason, I’ve already told her, You’re gonna put a camera on our go. Yep. . Um, but, and it was fun to share that with the students because I’m like, Oh, you get to see me have to go, Oh, wait, I, I don’t have all my onboarding. Right. I’ve got to do more stuff now.

as Scott Sandlin says, the expectation to ritual ratio. Right, Right. Yeah. Right. Though the dangerous question in Chris, is there one that you prefer? Let’s see here. I Okay, okay. Of course, I like the, the, the pre, the, the prepackaged rapport built clients, you know? Yes, absolutely. Because there’s, it just feels like, yeah, we can just get right to work, you know?

Right. Yeah. But I, but I also really love working with somebody who’s brand new to the process. Yeah. And actually one of the first people that I, that I worked with, right at the very beginning, I was doing a, a free health clinic, a local health clinic, and offering my services there once a. And, uh, a guy sat down and he said, So can you hypnotize me?

And I was like, Well, I don’t know . And I said, Yeah, my wife said I should come over here and check it out. And so he was out and he was totally not really. Um, from the get go, I could tell there was some resistance, a little challenging there, and I was like, Well, you know what? I, I did a little pre-talk with him and I told him it was really all up to him.

And, um, and that, you know, why don’t we just give it a try and open your mind and, you know, possibly this might work for you. And, uh, he went right down. Nice. And, and so, The same part of the mind that could make someone so cautious and so apprehensive is the same part of the mind that could make them a raving fan.

Absolutely. Absolutely. And he, he came outta that experience just being, you know, I could tell there was something there that said, Well, that was interesting. And you know what, That’s all I, that’s all I, uh, I hope I can hope for, you know, is that it, it just changes people’s minds just a little bit and for the better.

So, so, yeah, I love those kind of clients too, so bring ’em on. So that way, you know, it challenges me too to, to just get better at my craft, get better at my profession, so, mm-hmm. . Well, it also helps to inform what information is necessary, the way that over time I’ve changed my pre-talk to go, let’s talk about what is gonna happen.

Yeah. Rather than what isn’t going to happen, because it depends on where the client is coming from. It’s where the unfortunate part is like, well, what’s the definition of hypnosis? I think it was Ron Eslinger. I heard one time say, Well, it depends on who’s in front of you. . Ok. We’re, we’re really still saying the same information, but it’s a question of, well, how much more information do they need?

Right, Right. Yeah. Which this would be great. I know I’ve got the Medium article. If you could share a few more of those, that will link to in the show notes over work smart hypnosis.com so people can check those out. How can people get in direct contact with. Yeah, the best way is, uh, through my website, which is www.truenaturehypnotherapy.com, and that’s got all my information on there about my private practice, about group sessions that I, um, offer for, you know, quitting smoking and just kind of general, you know, positive energy, confidence boosting.

And then I, uh, also do, uh, workshops and, and all that sort of stuff. So all that information is there, My blog post. Is there more information about, you know, where I come from and, and what I’ve been doing. Great. Great. Then any final thoughts? We’re linked to all that in the show notes, of course, at work smart hypnosis.com.

Absolutely, though. Any final thoughts for the listeners out there? Yeah, absolutely. I think the, the, the sort of, the main reason that I’m, I’m in, in all of this here is because, you know, I’ve, I’ve done my own work on my myself, and what I’ve found is, is that it’s so important. Us to realize just how special we are and how absolutely beautiful we are, kind of just as we are.

And, and so many people walk through life with all of this internal garbage and all of this negative self talk and these, you know, these, this constant loop of, of put downs. And I’m not good enough and I’m not worthy. And I’m not lovable. And it’s just very, it’s heartbreaking, you know? And I know because I’ve, I’ve gone through a period of my life like that.

However, I know. It’s not how it needs to be, and that’s not how you have to be. There are, there is hope, and you can, you can change that and you can recognize that your true nature is totally amazing, beautiful, worthy of, of love, and deserving of happiness. So that’s, that’s really my message and, and I’m sticking to that Jason Lenette here, here once again and as, Thank you so much for interacting with this program for also interacting with these amazing guests as well.

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