Session #316: Stage Hypnosis Success during a Pandemic

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This is the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast, session number 316 stage hypnosis success during a pandemic. Welcome to the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast with Jason Lynette, your professional resource for hypnosis training and outstanding business success. Here’s your host, Jason Lynette. I have to tell you that as soon as the conversation you’re about to listen to was scheduled, I got massively excited because first of all, these three guys have been on this program couple of times already before though to have the opportunity to have not only myself, but also now, Jim Wand.

Dan Kendel and Michael Desalt together having a conversation about how it is that stage hypnotist can respond in terms of how they’re still putting on programs or the classic conversation of how really, let’s set the stage hypnosis title off to the side, because really everything you’re about to hear, the four of us talking about is always from the filter of presentational hypnosis, which I’ll tell all of you right now.

These are the skills that you need. If you’re going to be doing group sessions, these are the techniques that you need if you want to create greater impact with your clients. And I’ll tell you part of the story as to how this episode came to be that I knew for the upcoming conference. Hypno thoughts live in Las Vegas.

Where we find ourselves kind of on a other side of everything pandemic, where numbers are at the time of recording, at least have to give that disclaimer. Numbers are going down, vaccines are up, and we’re reaching some hint that a level of normalcy is gonna be soon approaching. It’s probably gonna take some time though.

So here comes hypno thoughts live. And yes, there’s some of us I’m doing. Class once again in terms of product creation. Product design, which they’re social distancing because you’re not even interacting with the client in person. It’s all happening by way of a product. There’s other people teaching things that are easily adapted, and I’ll tell you, the first thought was I saw that Dan and Michael were offering a stage hypnosis training before the conference, and thought number one was.

Really and, and thought number two was, then I saw the announcement that they’re gonna be adding n Jim Wand, who’s like stage hypnosis, uh, royalty, uh, to the lineup as well. I went, This is a conversation I’ve gotta have and let’s invite all of you to listen. He, here’s some of the themes. That you’re gonna hear inside of this episode this week, this conversation you’re about to interact with.

The fact that Jim has been keeping up to some degree with shows and how to make those modifications of actually doing the show. Line, you’re gonna hear a dialogue from Michael who the work that Michael has done for years, not just working with schools, but not even working with the schools directly. But even at times, working with the leadership organizations of which the schools are members of.

That’s one of the main markets that he’s been a part of. And we’ve, I think, talked about that before here on this podcast. But the way that he had pivoted one of those markets, Where he still kept providing value to them. The difference was now it was more so an educational series going out to the students rather than the interactive come up and let’s do some funny sh stuff on the show and then turn that into a teaching point.

And then Dan Canell the anxiety relief guy. Most of his work now is in terms of groups and, and this is a conversation. He and I’ve been having for years in terms of our friendship that how so many of the skills of the stage hypnotist, that’s how we do better presentations, That’s how we do better demonstrations.

That’s how we can create impact in a short amount of time. And as Michael talks about in this conversation, How that’s so often people’s first introduction to hypnosis, and it’s then from there, I mean the episode with Leon Sankofa a couple of weeks ago talking about seeing now Jim and Michael and Dan, for the most part do relatively family friendly programs.

But if, remember the episode with Leon a couple of weeks back, he saw a rather, um, let’s say appropriate show for a late night comedy club. A a lot of people, this is their first intro. Into hypnosis and to understand the skills. So whether your goal is going on the stage or not, I wanted to have them on to talk about what they do and kind of set the stage for how we can look at this as an option in terms of advancing our skills moving forward.

So what I’ll do is this, I’m gonna link over in the show [email protected]. I’ll put that directly over to, I’ll give you the link right now. HT live dot. Forward slash workshops. That’s where you can see the event that the three of them are doing together in Vegas before Hypno Thoughts Live.

That’s coming up in July of 2021. And of course I’d encourage you to stick around afterwards because after the conference, I’m doing back by Popular Demand, my two day live interactive training. Hypnotic products, how to create, how to design, how to launch, and how to continuously profit from your own passive income streams.

This is a topic that we hit on towards the end of this conversation, that the opportunity to go not just one to one, but one to many, which I’d encourage you if you’ve looked at this event that I’ve done a few times before, hypnotic products, hypnotic products.com. If you look at. We’re doing it a bit differently this time around because it’s not just the two days together in Vegas.

We’re setting up some mechanisms, so the training continue. After the event because it’s kind of like how we would have a conversation with our weight loss clients that, you know, we can meet on Thursday, but you’re not gonna drop 30 pounds on Thursday. No. We’re gonna set the foundation, we’re gonna plant the seeds.

So this amazing thing can happen over time. So this is where we’ve adapted the hypnotic products training to be a, a live event where it’s gonna be followed up with some interactive webinars and plus it also includes some private consulting. Directly with me. Sometimes it’s just those little tweaks that’s happening after Hypno Thoughts.

Live and Vegas, check that out. Hypnotic products.com. You are in for a treat. You are in for stories of a lot of inappropriate laughter, Demonic possession. There’s a special guest apparently towards the end of this episode. But again, whether or not stage hypnosis is your passion, you gotta listen to this one because it’s going to enhance your presentations.

It’s gonna help you to think differently about hypnotic phenomen. Plus we’re gonna have a great time. So here we go. Episode number 316. Stage hypnosis success during a pandemic. So I’m here with Jim won Michael Desalt and Dan Candel. Now, we typically do this podcast in a slightly different format where of course we wait till the end.

To ask the guest, how can people find you? What’s coming up? Soon? These three guys are joining together to do, uh, stage hypnosis training before hypno thoughts live this year in Las Vegas. I have to start this off myself though, and just simply ask, why the hell would someone learn stage hypnosis in the middle of a pandemic?

Welcome guys. . And there it is. And there it is. Dang it. We shouldn’t probably not teach this class then. Huh? . Well, there are some good things that came out of the pandemic. I’m sure there are . Jim, tell us, Wait back to you, Jim, at the Weather Desk. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Well, you know, I, I found there are a lot of colleges still interested in doing it, so I ended up doing about 25 to 30 virtual blended shows with colleges.

Yeah. But they’re not as good as when the audience is there to interact from. But it gave the colleges, uh, an option and they tried to bring some normalcy to the campus and the students needed it. So it worked out really well. The only thing we found out was that you gotta let the college handle the platform.

So that they can actually, uh, do the authenticating because we had an issue not too long ago, well, actually it was the first week of college in August where I was doing a seminar for 20, uh, 16,000 college students in Milwaukee for the mats. M a t c campuses and it was called Toker with you, uh, College One minute at a time, and as soon as we got on some porn came up and so we were able to control it and, and shut it off, but, and right there is why you learned stage hypnosis in the middle of That’s right.

That’s right. That’s right. No, but it gave him some normalcy. Also, with the stage hypnosis, I became a little bit better at doing the, uh, virtual sessions with individuals too. Yeah. Gained a lot of experience there. So I, I guess it, it doesn’t really matter what kind of a presenter you are, the stage hypnosis techniques.

Different types of, of testing and other things that could come up during a conversation or during a demonstration. And that’s a big one. Demonstrations are they sell. And with stage hypnosis you can do a little bit more demonstrating cuz you already have the skill set. So that, that’s kinda why I think they should, uh, come to it.

And anybody watch, see, if we had had this where we could watch it visually, then we could have just hypnotized every. And it wouldn’t have been an issue, but Well, I wanna come back around a little bit later to the whole virtual thing because my, my whole take on what’s happening within our industry is that we’ve proven a long term viability of the online work.

Over time, the in person stuff is going to be coming back gradually to some degree. But here are magicians that I know that are now doing virtual shows and they’re going, I can bring the audience to me. I wanted to kick off this way because the three of you have been on either together or separately at many different times on this pro.

You do something for seven years and we end up starting to repeat guests. Yes. Dan, welcome back for the 90th fourth 94th time . So excited. So excited to be, but I love what you said about, you know, looking at where. Our skills may not necessarily be that of the goal of opening up shop and getting on the stage and doing the presentation.

Dan, I know this is something you and I have talked about quite a bit about, you know, making that transition to working with clients, how the skills of the stage heist tend to be very important there. Jason, I have started doing so many groups. In fact, I had a group last night. I had a group on Monday. I have Monday night groups and I have Wednesday nights.

I do my self-help series, so their group sessions on Wednesday nights. And being a stage hypnotist helps tremendously with group management and it helps you not just with group management, but it gives you the confidence to be able to work with the group and what exercises to do, specifically, how to not just educate them.

With them as clients, but also how to entertain them as well while you’re going through the process. And that’s what you’ve gotta learn as a stage hypnotist, is how to think on your feet and entertain, And this is why you need to learn this even throughout a pandemic, because you can now, just like you said, Jason, with the magician friends, you can now bring your audience to you.

Mm-hmm. . And that’s one of the ways that I morphed my practice. I love an audience. We’re all here because we love an audience. So now we get an opportunity to bring the audience to us instead of us going to the audience. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. Well, which, looking at how, you know, we can change that skill set that working with the group in terms of the stage hypnosis to, I love what you said though about keeping their focus, that it’s not just, I now hypnotize them, but bringing some entertainment factor.

Into even a presentation, even doing into a change process because again, there’s an audience there in front of you. Absolutely, and this is also stage hypnosis is what actually got me a TED Talk. It got me the opportunity to do the TEDx talk, which has gotten over across YouTube 12 million views, just saying.

But the one little stupid thing that I did in the TED Talk is, The finger magnets. And Jason, I know you had, uh, you also have a TEDx talk. You also went on a huge speaking platform, and you have these amazing pictures of you doing the finger magnets to display this moment of hypnotic phenomenon or persuasion and influence, and the number one thing.

That people who view that TED Talk tell me when they actually come into my practice or join my group sessions, as they say. The thing that got me is I know I was hypnotized because I did the finger. I did the finger, which we know isn’t hypnosis, which I got highly criticized for on that TED talk, but whatever.

It’s the ability to give yourself a platform. And to know what to do with that platform. Yeah, and I love that idea of platform. And Michael, it’s good to have you here too, cuz especially you’re someone who kind of bounces back and forth between the two of doing the show and then running your, your hypnosis practice has been online for a number of years now.

It has actually, I decided when I first moved to Vegas, when I was planning on moving to Vegas about almost three years ago, that I did not want to have an office. I was gonna go entirely virtual. And so I, I started this journey about three years ago and really had to kind of piece together the platform to make it all automated.

And now Jason, you do a great job of, of teaching people how to do that. And so for me, this was not, this was nothing new. This was just, you know, business as usual. For me, I haven’t done any virtual shows myself online. I’ve done more socially distanced shows. Mm. Where I’m live in the audience still. And those are for schools that are in low.

Impact areas and things of that nature. And it’s done safely, as safely as could be done. So I don’t wanna start any controversy with that. Yeah, we made sure it was safe. Um, well I think that’s, that’s the disclaimer here, obviously that I was teaching a class online last night and here’s someone in the event that different countries are handling things differently than others, and population density’s a factor.

And there’s parts of New Zealand that are much further along. Then again, there’s rural parts of New Zealand where there’s no one there. And he had signed up for the online training for the reason of going, I’m seeing you’re teaching how to do hypno, secessions online. That’s my only option because it’s me and a bunch of goat.

Yep. Yeah, so the, uh, Stop down. Stop. Yeah. But anyway. Michael . Yeah. Ok. Dan, what are you doing? So, yeah, so, so doing the online thing, I think is, is, is just a great, great tool. But, and I know Jim’s gonna talk about online stuff. When we, when we do the class, actually in August. But going back to what Dan was saying, just echoing that stage, hypnosis is a great tool to add to your tool belt.

It opens the doors in so many different aspects, not just in shows, but in presentations I’ve done. As a matter of fact, I shot an entire video series of presentations for my CTSO groups in Arizona. All the student led organizations like F b, Hossa and Deca and, and fcc, l a, They hired me and contracted me to do a a 10 video series this last summer.

Instead of doing their live camps, which I always did, I always went there. I did a few presentations, I did some team building. I did their shows for them, so we had to adapt. So I shot a 10 video series for them over the summer, which they are then able to just disperse out to everybody. So it’s a combination of both skills being online and also being able to adapt as quickly as, as we can, as stage heist, and we really have to think on our feet.

And that’s a, that’s a definite skill set that you’ll learn by coming to the class. Yeah, I think that that flexibility is one of the major things there. And I love what you said about, you know, the filter of show versus. That from the skills of doing something presentational, from the skills of giving someone the experience, you know, that’s, that’s what changed how even I work with my clients.

I say that I’m a hypnotic phenomenon based hypnotist, because your client’s issue is not just in their thoughts, it’s their feelings. It’s the kinesthetics that they’re connecting with and the skills of doing something hypnotic just to. Simply there. Uh, I wanna go back to the virtual show. So Jim, walk us through what, let’s say the user experience of that is.

Again, the main thing is to make sure that you have that com, uh, you have the college so that the platform and run it and be responsible. That way if anything goes offline, it’s up to them. But anyway, uh, some of the, like we had a school. When get university, we were ready to do it two days before the virtual show and the activity director called me and said, Well, we can do it, but we can only use 10 people.

Period. I thought that were gonna allow people in the audience for social distancing. Well, there wasn’t. So basically what they did there was they set up the technical elements, which including a screen where the subjects could visualize me, I could see. And we always use it. Now, one thing I have found with the virtual shows is a lot higher percentage of the people participating get hypnotized.

I’m not sure why yet. Maybe they’re just the ones that really wanted to when they volunteered to come in, but every one of ’em so far, I think probably 95, 90 6%. Other people manage or on stage got hypnotized. But anyway, what they did is they, they have that set up and then they live stream it. Of course.

Now what we do is we talk about 10 minutes before we go on the livestream. I explain things like you normally would do at a pre-talk and then we shut the audio down. While we do the hypnosis induction so that nobody watching it gets hypnotized. And once they’re hypnotized, now again, even with them being only 10 of ’em there, we still have them socially distanced on the chairs, et cetera.

And we always have one person there that we teach how to take people out of hypnosis in case wifi goes down. We have some other issue. And we also tell the people who are being hypnotized that if they lose my voice, if you lose connection, you’re automatically go to commod hypnosis. So we have a couple safeguards here just in case hasn’t happened yet, but knock on wood.

So once we get hypnotized, then they live stream it. And they do that a number of different ways. Something like the one in Milwaukee, they livestreamed it on their. Campus Facebook page. And that’s where we ran into trouble because the link got out there and anybody in their neighbor could watch it. And that’s where all these people started to come in from the outside.

And that’s where we had those issues. So by giving them that, by them setting up the platform, whether it be uh, YouTube, whether it be Microsoft, whether it be any platform they wanna go with, they’re the ones that set that up. They’re the ones that have the ment. And then we have somebody there to handle things and things.

Stray after that. Basically, the show is just about the same as what we do now. As a matter of fact, we get a lot of really good action, which is what you wanna see. And we do that with, uh, we use sound effects so that we can get the people on stage really into it. And what I found is, let’s say we have a, usually when we set up the chairs, we’ll set like five of ’em across the front, six feet apart, and then we come back at an angle, put one here.

Being like a Coors, you’re watching a course, you can see everybody, but you still have the six feet. So we usually do about three or four lines. And then I find what I do is after the first skin or two, whoever’s really, really active, I have them move those people up to the front and we sat resize the chairs and move those people up to the front.

They’re much more involved with movement, so then the people behind them get into it. So basically once we get the show established and running, and then one thing we do that most other speakers don’t do, because what we found is a lot of the colleges I’ve talked to, activity directors, they’re experiencing something called screen fatigue, where the students are on the screens every so much during the day, they don’t really wanna come back for a night program.

Whether it’s entertaining or not, they don’t wanna come back for it. So what we do, we found, and we we’ve been following it, is once we finish the. We do a post production edit, and then we send them back a link that they can use for 60 days. And that way anybody can see it. Everybody can see it, and they really like that.

Most presenters won’t, won’t allow, college presenters won’t allow that to happen. And I think some of it is because the speakers that come out at the beginning of the year, They have a set message, they come back there every year and they don’t wanna give away their fire, so to speak. So every one, we haven’t had one yet.

That has not worked, but some have been more active than others. Uh, again, the nice thing for me is I was sitting here in my desk, let’s see, in October, did a show in San Antonio at late of the Lake College at eight o’clock, and I was in bed in my own bed at 11 o’clock . So you can also offer the college a.

Because you don’t have to have any travel expenses. You don’t have to put it on them. I mean, it’s only gonna take two hours of your time. I usually work with another guy so that we have a moderator and we make sure that we have things running smoothly, but it’s worked out well. I mean, the whole message of adaptation.

That, that’s really what we’ve all been doing now for about a year at this point. And the fault would go, What can’t I do? And instead, the question always should become, Well, what can I do the same as, you know, I, I began in stage hypnosis. Any of us have had the experience where this microphone’s not working, we have to adapt and do something else.

I can think back to one of my first programs I did in like 2006 and my fancy remote control sound system. I fired the first queue and the light turned off because it didn’t work that. Which this group brought me back the next year and they’re like, Wow, you added so much new music to the show. I’m like, I didn’t have any last time because the system didn’t work.

what you said though about, and I think there’s a lesson to come out of this, what you said, Jim, about they get the video and yes, it’s available for a window. There’s an audio that I used to share with my clients. And I’ve since adapted it and given in a different format now. And by nature of email marketing, every time someone opened it, it would tell me when they opened it, I had this one guy who suddenly, I’m looking, it’s like he is opening it like 15, 16 times a day.

What the hell is going on? Is he okay? And like, I had no other way of getting around this moment except to call the guy and say, you know, Hey, hey Bill, is everything. Like, I never do this, but like you’ve been listening to my audio program like two dozen times a day. Are you all right? Do you need some help?

He goes, Oh no. I forwarded it to my entire staff. They’ve really been ing it from it. Did this person call you? Yeah, they’re coming in next week. Did this person call you? Yeah. So it’s this willingness to share. You know, I love what you said though, about having a, a filter on it though. That way it’s not just out there for forever.

Dan and Mike, I’d love to chat about, you know, again, these skills adapted over to groups. That something that I heard at the beginning of everyone else moving online was kind of what Jim mentioned about screen fatigue, but almost from the presentation side, we’re having to bring all the. We’re having to go first and really set the foundation of that.

What, what from the stage environment have you brought into like doing sessions, whether they’re one to one, whether they’re groups. So this is really, where it’s really important is many of our previous students didn’t come just to learn stage hypnosis. They came to learn presentation hypnosis and how to use stage hypnosis strategies and techniques for, for doing presentations and for doing groups.

So number. The rapid pace at which we learn, at which we work on stage. Because in, and this is where, where Jim and Mike and I we’re all different. We all have different paces, different styles, different speeds. I work very, very quickly and it’s like a rock show meets a ferret on crack, you know? Which is a very specific reference that yes, hand dangers

So I work very quickly with people. I also use a lot of the hypnotic phenomenon in the group as well, such as like things like finger spread apart than hand to face. I want a lot of physical movement in their. So that way when people do watch it back, they can actually watch themselves in the group atmosphere.

They can watch themselves participating with this hypnotic phenomenon because we know that like light and heavy, for example, or the balloon and bowling ball, whatever you wanna call it, the arms rising and falling. Many times people, if they’re not watching it, they don’t realize how far apart their arms went, or they don’t see themselves doing it.

So this gives us a really good opportunity to do things like this. On the screen, then send it back to them afterwards. Sure. And every single group I do, I record it. I put it on a page, and guess what I do with it afterwards? Sell it. Mm-hmm. . So repurposing content so you can use these self-improvement groups or whatever groups that you’re doing, and you can repurpose it and resell it afterwards.

It’s a, those are some good points. Dan, I want, I wanna throw in there, but I, I’m kind of jealous about this whole ferret thing on crap . I am more like a hedgehog who’s rabid smoking methamphetamines in a three legged race. So that, that’s gonna be me. That’s gonna be me. Jim, you better come up with something stellar now.

Okay. What I wanna throw out though is, is Dan mentioned. And, and this is one attribute that stage hypnotists, I think do better than clinical hypnotists. Mm-hmm. in most cases, and that’s not necessarily just the testing, but testing in an authoritative type manner. When you, and like you said Jason, we are bringing the energy to the sessions, We’re bringing the energy to the stage.

We’re bringing, we’re the ones that are really. Facilitating this process, and if it comes to clinical, we’re facilitating the whole change process. And so what I’ve found and what I have been doing with my clinical clients online is being a little bit more authoritarian when I’m doing the testing and also the suggestions as well too.

And the clients are loving that. They want to be led, they want to be directed, they want to be guided, and, and, and really quite honestly pushed, They wanna be pushed to that change because again, in these uncertain times, people are just really, really have gotten, you know, Masey, Sey about a lot of things.

And so they’re afraid. And so having that authoritarian type of command or voice or suggested or suggestions, I think really helps too. And that’s one thing. We definitely teach in the class too, is the different styles of performing. I’m also very permissive on the stage. But I go back and forth. Mm-hmm.

of when I’m working with clinical clients too, depending on the client, you know, I’ll ebb and flow between the two. I could be very nice. I could be good cop, I could be bad cop if I have to too. And so I think that’s another skillset that you’re gonna get out of this training with us, is that you’ll learn the authoritarian approach, which doesn’t mean you need to.

Mean or nasty each of your clients. Yeah, I was about to jump in on that. Yeah. The quick anecdote was I, I have a whole segment of something I teach about how to be permissively authoritative. Mm-hmm. as well as authoritatively permissive, which is that the transition doesn’t have to be that massive and someone had learned in another training this, that this completely polarized way of doing it if either the suggestions are really soft and almost a whisper versus now you are doing this and now.

The difference between permissive and authoritative could be as simple as the choice of words. Mm-hmm. , you may be noticing this sensation is permissive versus that feeling is now traveling down your arm. Yeah. And just the word choice changed and she raises her hand and she goes, I have to thank you from the bottom of my heart because I don’t wanna shout at people.

I think you guys comfortable with the shouting, but No. But looking at how we can build that flexibility that it’s a matter. I’ve nicknamed it hypnotic tenacity, the ability to keep at the suggestion until we actually get the result. And again, we’re getting feedback mechanisms the whole way through. And I wanna jump in here too, Jason, because this is where online, you know, a lot of our clients, they ask, Well, should we be lying down?

Should we be sitting down? Where should we be? And this is where I actually, when I’m doing sessions, I don’t like my clients to be reclined because of the style of induction. I usually do, and I’ll do, In fact, Michael and I have done shows together before in the induction that we’ve used, as I call it, the three twenty one induction, and that’s pretty much the one of the inductions I do with people online when I do a hypnotic induction, and I’ll say as I count backwards from a three down to one, close your eyes, three to one.

Now, as I count backwards from three down to one. Relax your eyes to the point where they don’t wanna open 3, 2, 1. And now let that feeling of heaviness go into your head and let your head fall forward. 3, 2, 1. And it’s just these moments where you, you see them validating for themselves that it’s like three, two on, boom.

3, 2, 1, boom, 3, 2, 1, boom, in their head, drops forward. And this is where I was doing a session last week and when I said, Your head drops forward on 3, 2, 1, boom, this woman, she went, boom, on her laptop and I swear, I thought she broke her light. Like she short circuited that laptop and she literally, she went.

Oh, , whoop. Like, I’m sorry. Let, let’s do this again. So well it, it allows us to get that style and that phenomenon where we can actually see them going in hypnosis, and that’s the style of a stage hypnotist. You wanna see them making these changes as they’re making them. Yeah, that, you know, you just talked about her hitting her head.

That was, uh, the reasoning I kicked out of the main cafeteria at Boston College, a number of years ago. That’s why I do that show now, Jim. Now it makes sense. , right? Well, my friend used to be Vice President of Student Affairs up there Anyway, they want us to go around, do some teasers at the d cafeterias.

So I went in the main cafeteria and, uh, they were serving, uh, Italian that night. And I walked over the one table and there’s. Four girls and five guys there. And uh, how many of you out there already know the end of the story? They were serving Italian. I’m sorry, Jim. Go ahead. . Yeah, . So anyway, is anyone gonna beizer here to this girl?

Said well, I was, I was ize at camp last summer and I said, Can I do a little demonstration? I said, Go, Yeah. And I go sleep. She go, Boo. Right in the spaghetti. Yep. And I spread all over the cafeteria. The supervisor came over extremely upset, kicked me out. But I think half of that cafeteria came to the show that day.

So, Is that a meatball on your forehead or are you just happy to see me ? See, but that’s where there, there’s a catch phrase that’s come out of, Now I can’t do this catch phrase as much in an online training as it used to be in person, which is you’d have the awkward thing occur. And the better feedback in the class is to go, Great.

Now that you’ve made that really uncomfortable for everybody, you’re not gonna do that for someone else ever again. It’s like, Oh yeah. Like they, they were doing some technique and it just got into an awkward situation. I, I forget if I’ve told you guys this story that when I was first getting into hypnosis, One of my friends calls up and he goes, and he was getting into it at about the same time, and he goes, I don’t know if I should do stage hypnosis.

I’m like, Well, yeah, you can do whatever you want. Why do you say that? He goes, Well, I mean, I’m really effective with my clients, but I think I might be too powerful of a stage hypnotist because my volunteers. Go so deeply into hypnosis. They’re falling outta their chairs and like getting hurt. Does it mean I’m too powerful of a hypnotist that I should stop doing shows?

I’m like, Well, no. It just means you’re a crappy hypnotist who doesn’t understand basic suggestion structure. Your body will safely remain in the chair. That helps you to go deeper. The back of the chair will keep you safe. Set up a simple cause and effect relationship, and that’s gonna. Basically everything, and I’m sure whether it’s the meatball story or the laptop story, we, we have these moments where, let’s say something happened during a program and it then informed you to, you know, add in a little bit more suggestion, maybe even a little bit more instruction to make, whether it’s the stage work or even the clinical work.

More effective. You have any stories that come to mind of, again, learning a lesson and then going, Oh, so here’s how I make that work better next time? Yeah. Well, one thing I have real quickly, if you don’t mind, the helpful part of it. For me, many, many years, I’ve always had people tap. I’ve taped the chairs together to induce more movement, and I found that I can do just as much without taping the chairs together.

As a matter of fact, I did it at adults not too long ago. They were much more comfortable not sitting real close together. Mm-hmm. . And as a result, I got them to be more active too. So I’ve been doing this for 30 years and I’ve always preached, taped the chairs together. You’re gonna get that movement, move people around, you’re gonna get more.

But I found that, hey, you don’t need to do that. You can, but you don’t. Absolutely have to. So that was a big factor I learned. Yeah. There’s a moment where one of our formers do, because usually when, and we’re so happy to have Jim joining us on staff for this particular training because he does have such he, Jim, you have an amazing knowledge where you’re gonna bring so much to the table with doing the virtual shows, and you’ve been doing this for such a long time.

And also you have other hypnotists that that. Work with you and work for you and do shows with you and the shows that, the trainings that Michael and I have done, we’ve actually brought students on stage with us. It’s gonna be run a little bit different this year. However, one of the things that happened, Last year on stage, there were two things.

There was, I was doing one show one night, and then Michael was doing another show in Vegas. And the show that I had done with my students or with our students, the show that I had done, I dropped the microphone in the very beginning of the induction and I’m like, Oh no. But fortunately, one of our students was like backstage handled it, put the microphone back together, put the batteries in.

It handed off to me. When Michael was doing his show, one of our students embodied. And I’ll, I’ll let Michael tell that story, but here’s where I do wanna quote something that Michael says that I, every single training, I quote him, because this is such an eloquent way of saying this. Our clients come in.

And they think that sometimes their personal change is going to be like that pivotal moment. Like they see on stage sleep on my count of three. You’ll open up your eyes, you’ll wake up, and you’ll magically be better. 1, 2, 3, boom. And they think that’s what hypnosis is gonna be like clinically. And it’s not.

And one of the ways that, that Michael and I got into this heated debate at one o’clock in the morning at my house, one. When we were doing a training, and Michael said it so perfectly, he said, You know, on stage we’re making temporary meaningless changes in the office. We’re making long lasting meaningful changes.

Nice. And this is one way that we can explain this to our clients, and that’s why it’s really important you have this vast knowledge of how you do both the performance side and the clinical side. And Michael, I think you should tell the story of how one of our students embodied Satan. In the hypnosis.

Shes . Yeah. We’ll get back to that one in a second day . But yeah, we, we will get back to that one. It’s an interesting story though, and the person who did that, and I’m gonna, I’m gonna call him out on this because he totally would appreciate and he did a really spectacular job of embodying Satan. Just may not have been what we were.

Kind of looking for, but, uh, I’ll tell you that story in a second. But first I wanna piggyback on what you said, though, Dan is, you know, meaningless changes on the stand doesn’t mean they’re totally meaningless. They’re fun, they’re for entertainment value. That’s the purpose of it. It’s for entertainment value.

And then when they’re in the office, it’s for permanent lasting lifetime change. But a lot of my clients, as a matter of fact, most all of my clients that come to me, come to me because I am a stage hyp. They say this to me, I chose you because I’ve seen you in a show, or I’ve seen another show and I’ve seen what you stage.

Hypnotist are able. Make your people do up on stage, make your volunteers do. Now we know we have to correct their language. Mm-hmm. up to straighten them out. We don’t make anybody do anything we suggested to them. No. There’s something to be said about the foot and the door because there’s a video I saw of Dan’s and I was cursing his name.

Because I had done the bit for years, but I’d never filmed it. And your video was good. Which was it Was this the type of county fair where you’re having to turn your sound system up to counteract the noise of the grease pig contest. Jim is nodding his head so big to that. I love that where you know, everyone was smoking in the audience.

So here’s the guy on stage that I could smell it off of him. It’s like, Oh, let’s have some fun with this. With each and every puff of that cigarette, it’s gonna taste more and more odd. I’m not going for disgusting cause I didn’t want him, you know, throwing up on the stage. It wasn’t that show, but it was, instead the aspect of just, it’s gonna taste weirder and weirder.

Like something rather, you know, foreign or something that it should not taste like. And he’s like, they’re going pork chops, . But it’s what you said, Mike. It it can be, yes. It’s the temporary meaningless, yet there’s for a lot of people where it’s the foot in the. That they can experience something differently, right, than what they were experiencing in the past, which kind of opens up that window.

This is why I use so much hypnotic phenomenon in my change work, even over online Zoom, cuz it’s a little bit of a window to go, Oh, I can experience something differently. Than before. Well, you know, he brought an interesting point, Jason, you said you, you brought the fairs and, and the noises and things like that.

This is one thing, if there’s a takeaway from this too, as a stage hypnotist, we know doing fairs, we know doing high schools. I’ve had fire alarms go off in the middle of the show. I’ve had students get a bloody nose in the middle of the show, just one, fortunately, and it was just a dry nose issue. You know, you have all kinds of different things happen and as a clinical hypnotist working online, a lot of times your clients are gonna.

Well, uh, well, what happens if my, my dog’s barking? My dog’s barking up. Well, do you know what your dog sounds like? Yep. Well, then that’s not gonna bother you. As a matter of fact, every time you hear your dog bark, after those barks drift away, you drift deeper into hypnosis. You just throw that in as part of the induction.

I had a client yesterday and his cat jumped into his lap, and that’s a comfort thing for him. So it was a deepener. I call it the cat deepen her now. Yeah. Um, so yeah. And, and, and then he turned into a cat on, on Zoom. It was really weird. I don’t know. She, she’s in my office. It’s the second session and she shows up with her poodle cuz of course now she’s already quit smoking.

So she’s thrilled. And this was my session to kind of ratify things further and can’t do the floppy arm drop with a puppy in the lap cuz every time the dog’s going, or I have a note. I need to stay in hosting mode here though. I have a note about sat. Yes. A note about me. Okay. So one of our dear friends, he’s friends to all of us.

I’m pretty certain I will review his name at the very end, but he took our stage class he’d been wanting to for a couple years now, and, you know, threatened, threatened to darken our doorstep and sure enough, good choice of worst there. Yeah. Threatened to darken our doorstep. And he did. He showed up. And you know what though?

He, um, he’s an amazing hypnotist, meaning n NLP practitioner, an amazing trainer too. And he took the class. We gave our students this opportunity at stand set to go on stage with us. Well, I booked a couple school shows for us to perform in, and we did ’em as fundraisers for the school. So they got to keep the profits and, and our students got the stage time.

So we tasked them with the, with the task of creating their own routine. We gave them a few parameters apparently. Not enough parameters. We gave him some parameters, you know, we said, obviously it has to be appropriate, you know, do this, it should be about this long. We, we kind of ran through it with him and, and we heard him.

And the practice time that we had, and basically the routine was a common one. You’re, you’re on this roller coaster.

told him the story. Can’t. But Dan is in tears already. This is why we’re audio. Why we’re audio only, so you’re on a roller coaster, you know, and the ride stars, and he’s making the sound effects and he’s using the microphone really well. And I’m, I’m pleased with that. And almost too well, And so he’s, he’s making the sound effects.

And he says, Now you’re coming over the top of the hill and before you drop down. Before you drop down. And I, I, and again, this may not be an exact reenactment, but it’s pretty close to it because I tried to forget it. And therapy has helped. He says, Right when you’re ready to go down, you’re going through this dark tunnel, and then Satan up appears, Sat is here, and he’s yelling and he’s, And I’m like, and the kids are like, So Michael, there’s a part though where he goes, and now youre flying through the flames of death and your face is burning off

I’m sitting in. I’m sitting in the audience. Audience, I’m in the audience’s going and I’m thinking it possibly can’t get any worse than this, but then it does because flame of hell are melting your face off and it was done so great. It was, it was, you know, the kids never ride a roller coaster ever again and their entire life, but it was great.

And the audience is just like laughing. And Dan and I are. Crapping ourselves now because we’re like, Oh my God, we’ll never be asked back at this school. But actually they loved it and they want us back. And I just wanna say Kevin Cole did an amazing job at that routine. . Kevin Cole is an amazing hypnotist and he will one day make a great stage heist if he chooses to do that.

And you know, just watching, watching him blossom like that in that type of an atmosphere and, and really kind of take it. And I now know that he can take that same. Routine and use it for somebody who’s afraid to ride rollers or who wants to be afraid to ride rollercoaster. Yeah. All right. That down, Michael, As I, as I worked in management and production for theater for a number of years, as we would say there, that’s a choice.

love that. In your next book, Yeah, . Well, I tell you what, we’re coming up on time here in a bit and we’ll link over in the show [email protected], which this is happening at Hypno. Thoughts Live, the biggest conference in the entire hypnosis world in Las Vegas, coming up in July. You, you guys are in July cuz this year the conference kind of.

Straddles between July and August. Before we wrap things up, I just kind of ask you, let’s start off with Dan. Any kind of final thoughts in terms of what knowing stage hypnosis, or even just let’s just say presentational hypnosis, what has that helped you to really do in your career over the years? Jason, this has led to so many opportunities and I, I’m just so thankful for the opportunities it’s given me, and part of it is making those opportunities happen.

I turn every single show into a marketing fricking machine and a lead generation machine. And dude, you see things in the beginning of the show. Like I ask people in the beginning of the. Raise your hand if you’ve ever felt, uh, raise your hand if over the past two weeks you felt stress, anxious, nervous or apprehensive, fearful or doubtful about something.

And everybody raises their hand. And then I say, If you haven’t raised your hand, you’ve been dead for a week. Right? The, the typical fun line. So we’re seeding that throughout the show. Then at the end of the show, I do a thing called Two Minutes of Transformation with the people on stage. And then I say, Ladies and gentlemen, or, We can’t say that anymore.

I say People in the audience. People in the audience. You just saw these people transform in front of your eyes on stage. How would you like it if I gave you the same experience? Take out your phones. Go to blah blah blah.com and put in your name and email address, Jason. I literally get about, I would say 75% of the people at every show opt in.

Now, if you’re doing a show for a thousand people, that 750 leads, you can now send them a $10 audio, a $20 audio, a $2,500 hypnosis package, and you bring them through the funnel. So I turn. Single show into a lead generation marketing machine, and this is the power of what it can do for your clinical practice, for your clients, for audios that you have, as Jason says, Make it rain.

Nicely done. Nicely done. Michael, how about you? I’ve got, I’ve gotta ditto what Dan said too. And, and I do the same thing as well too, because I learned that from Dan and, and from you, Jason, and, and Jim, I’ve learned so much from you as well too. It, it’s, it’s how do you turn the show into so much more than just the show.

It’s not just about marketing to capture more business, but it’s about sharing value with. The, with the audience. So that’s, that’s one thing. But you know, the real thing, the real takeaway, that being a stage hypnotist has boosted my confidence so much as a clinical hypnotist. That’s a real big thing. I started off as a stage hypnotist.

Actually, I started off before that as a magician. So I had the stage confidence, but then at my first stage show, I had an opportunity to help a couple of college students to become non-smokers. And I didn’t really know how to do that or what to do, so I referred ’em to another hypnotist and then I realized, oh my gosh, I’m leaving money on the table and I’m missing, More importantly, I’m missing an opportunity to help people to eradicate this, this nasty, filthy, disgusting habit from their life.

And I looked at those two college students and they were, they were two young ladies, and I thought these could be my daughter. This could, I would expect a hypnotist of good moral and ethical values to not just learn stage hypnotist, but learn clinical so they can help people too. But the, the level of confidence that you receive as a stage hypnotist, you can transfer that into your clinical practice too and help your clients to a much greater level, exponentially better than what you can, you know, without that confidence.

Nice. Nice. And Jim, bring us. You know, I think a big part about it is the marketing at every show, like you mentioned, Dan, and it’s a lot easier today than it was 20 years ago when I was carrying a trailer full of, uh, CDs and DVDs and burners and books and, you know, it’s so much work where today it’s, it’s a much, much easier for that part of it.

But I think most stage hypnotists, they get. Trapped into not knowing how to get shows. And that’s one thing I’ve concentrated on over the years. And I’ve worked in, in, in 12 of the main markets. You know, I’ve worked in every state, 14 foreign countries, multiple cruise ships, casinos, and I’ve found that most people try to approach like ec, oh, let’s say colleges, heists like to do colleges.

What do they do? They go through the activity department. Well, there’s 10 other ways they’re called submarkets that I use. They, I go through the back. So I have 242 back doors that I’m gonna talk about during this particular conference. So people learn how to do more of the marketing, but also I’ve learned that if you take chances on state, what are you left about there, Dad?

Or the back door? I was gonna say. Sure. Yeah, just, just a reminder that we help. Sorry, go ahead. Yes, we, I’m sure Dan has more back doors than you, Jim . Maybe. Maybe. But, but on stage, a lot of hypnotists are afraid to make mistakes, and I found that you learn from making mistakes, and once you learn from making mistakes, you become comfortable in trying anything.

I do improv hypnosis, where toward the end of the show, I ask the audience, What would you like to see? What would you like to see? What would you like to see? What would you like to see? And then I do one skit with all those, Okay, you’re all tiny elephants. You’re dancing down to the yellow brick road, you’re taking a shoe off so you can hear better, you know, so you pull it all together.

So you teach people to think on your feet, and I think that’s one thing with presenters too. To be able to think on your feet or if you’re in a clinical setting, be able to think on your feet, cuz you’re gonna get, uh, things thrown at you that you had not anticipated. And if the person in a clinical setting or the audience sees you not being comfortable, not being able to handle it, they’re not gonna have the confidence, the changes probably aren’t gonna come about.

So like, uh, Michael mentioned the confidence. Is huge, and you can learn that through the stage, whether you’re a magician, a hypnotist, uh, climate hypnotist, stage hypnotist, motivational speaker, you’re going, those kinds of things. So don’t be afraid to take mistakes. And the last thing, when you’re on stage or when you’re doing individual sessions, have fun.

You know, people don’t have enough fun and they can tell it if, if ADA is watching you and you’re gonna having fun during every session. Before I hypnotize someone. I always hypnotize myself. I even do it during my, before my shows, even though I’ve done over 12,000 shows. I still do that and I get into that mode.

So work. Find a mentor. Do as many shows as you can. Have fun. And you’ll make it. Jason Lynette here once again, as always, thank you so much for interacting with this program, Keeping the conversation going inside of our public work Smart Hypnosis community, the public free group on Facebook. Again, I’m gonna link over to HT Live.

Dot net slash workshops. That’s where you can see the details for the event that, uh, these three guys are doing before the conference, plus many others too. And I’d encourage you to stick around after the conference for hypnotic products. That’s my two day business training exclusively for the sole focus of helping you to create your own passive income empire, though.

Let me throw one more little mention here. Head over to jason webinar.com. This is a new on-demand workshop you can watch right? Six steps to a six-figure hypnosis income. You don’t have to wait for it. It’s something you can get right away. Jason webinar.com. So whether it’s online, whether it’s in Vegas, stay safe out there and we’ll see you all soon.

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