Session #391: Nicole Weber on Subconscious Performability

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This is the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast, session number 391 Nicole Weber on subconscious Perform ability. Welcome to the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast with Jason Linett, your professional resource for hypnosis training and outstanding business success. Here’s your host, Jason Linnet. Welcome back to the program and no, really welcome back.

Hey, it’s Jason Linett and we did take a bit of a pause in doing episodes for a couple of weeks as there’s a brand new work, Smartt Hypnosis 3.0 version of the website coming out rather soon, and also changing some of the tone of this program and plus some other big projects. I’d always cracked the joke that, uh, many years ago, like five years into running this program, I heard someone else’s podcast and they said like in May, they said, well, that wraps up season four.

We’ll be back with season five in September. And I was like, wait, that’s an option we’ve kind of been doing every single week since we began. So we did a couple of solo episodes over the fa past few weeks, and so excited to have Nicole Weber on the program here today. Uh, I first met Nicole as she was living over in Germany.

Since then, as you’ll hear in this conversation, got the rest of the story that actually born in the United States and then migrated over to then Germany, and then currently in the works to migrate everything once again back over here to the us And it’s an incredible conversation that I already. Kind of predicted, which is where you’re gonna hear that.

Uh, she may be one of the first people that was already invited for a version two of the conversation, a, a second episode , even before we recorded the first one. As there’s, as you might imagine, with this big of a move coming up, a lot of moving pieces, a lot of projects in the works, and yes, a lot of stuff at play to then make that happen.

And I would say that’s probably one of the bigger takeaways of this week’s. that first of all, you’re gonna hear a specific passion of Nicole’s that, of working with horses, all things equestrian arts, and the journey of beginning a career, starting with what she was already familiar with, which I firmly don’t just believe, but I actually know is a message that a lot of you need to.

Who were often kind of stalled at the beginning trying to figure out which direction to go, and then even better, through experience and time, she began to then expand the work that she did to many other categories. To be someone who’s quite confident working with people from all different backgrounds, all different experiences, including of course, the standard fair that we would have inside of the hypnotic world.

Yet beginning with what she was already familiar with. And even as things are running strong to make that decision that we can pivot at any specific time. And there’s some really cool moments in this conversation to listen out for the way that, uh, she kind of blew me away with an extremely streamlined way of doing regression.

In a dissociated state, as she said, there’s no need to re-traumatize your client. How do we build some buffers inside of our work for a much more positive and even interactive change journey? And, uh, I will openly tell you a conversation on what may be underneath and where imposter syndrome may not be a weakness.

It may actually be a bit of a strength to begin to think very differently about the work that we. And yes, finally the revelation as to whether or not she hypnotizes the horse. If that doesn’t have you listening all the way through to the end, I do not know what will. Uh, you can head over to the show [email protected] to track down this week’s episode with Nicole Weber.

There’s a search function up on the top of the page. Weber is spelled with one B in the middle, w e b. Er in this episode again is Nicole Weber on Subconscious Perform Ability. We will link to her website over on that page, which is perform ability llc.com. And while you’re there, check out work smart hypnosis live.com.

This is the live, interactive, live and online training that I actually do as of now currently co co-taught with Richard Non Guard, uh, in a world where there’s a lot of frustrated hypnotists. This becomes a rather interesting approach to doing a certification program where classically, half of the attendees are brand new, and this is their first, let’s say, foray suray, what’s the right word?

Journey. Let’s go with that into professional hypnosis. Meanwhile, the other half of attendees are people who perhaps on paper are significantly. And yet you know that feeling when you’re not quite getting the results you feel you should, when you feel like your hands are glued to different scripts or rigid outlines, or perhaps as many of us have done, we have been trained in a rather dogmatic approach to hypnosis, and then we reach the age of reason and realize, oh, wait.

The same way that all of our clients are different, all of our sessions should be different. If I was to suggest to you the. That you could sit down with a client completely unprepared after the training, of course, you could sit down with a client completely unprepared and have them tell you exactly what they wanna work on and exactly the goals they wanna achieve, and feel the confidence that you can customize them on the fly.

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Check that out. Work smart hypnosis live.com. And hey, good to be back with a phenomenal guest to kick us back into gear. So here we go. Session number 390. Nicole Weber on subconscious perform ability.

Well, I think I was 12, maybe 13, and my uncle attended a class in at, and uh, he had, he had a big bookshelf at home and I loved reading books. I was such a bookworm and. I always, when I was visiting him, I was browsing through the shelf and there was, um, a very, well, now it’s a classic German hypnosis book, the High Art of Hypnosis

Yeah, from Cord Tek. And I was instantly and proud with this title. And so, uh, I asked him whether I could read it. I still have it. He he gifted it to me later on and so I, I read the whole thing. There was a test about how hypnotizable you are and it taught you self hypnosis and a couple. You know, hypnosis tricks and, um, I try them on my friends and it worked fine.

And that was the way I got hooked. Really? Yeah. I gotta ask though, because like, you know, here’s the test to see how hypnotizable, here’s things with friends. Does a, does a story come to mind of something you maybe experimented with during that time? Oh yeah. So I had a friend and, well, there’s, this is about horses really.

I mean, I, um, I used to ride back then as well, and a friend of mine was very afraid of one of, uh, her uncle’s, horses. I don’t know why this is about uncles. Anyway, and, um, , so. It was a pony. And uh, it used to pull a car and her uncle said that she could ride that horse, that pony, and she was way too afraid.

So I rode him and he was, you know, a bit naughty, but it was fine. And so I hypnotized her. To not be so afraid anymore. And then she rodee him. . Nice, nice. Which we tend to bounce around in these conversations here. Uh, and you’ve already hinted at, let’s go there right away, that, uh, you know, an experience with horses and riding and all things equestrians.

For those that might not be familiar with you, can you talk a bit? Your history with horse riding and everything, equestrian arts. Oh, of course. I love to, I love talking about horses. , I can do that all day. And about hypnosis, so I think I was, uh, almost two years old when we moved to El Paso, Texas. And my mom loved horses and, um, there was, um, nearby ranch, the POI ranch, and she took.

There and she took me with her all the time. And so I have many pictures of me as a kid sitting on a horse being led by another person on that horse. And so, yeah, that’s how my love of horses started. And then later on, um, I, I got lessons too. Um, I cared for horses in my neighborhood. It was, well there, we had some older.

Neighbors, both of them were retired and they had one horse left. And that horse, ULA was her name. She, she got out of her pasture one day and I found her just, just in front of our house. So I brought her back and then they asked me whether I would wanna care for her. And of course I wanted to, I mean, a girl’s dream, right?

And she was like my own horse, so I could do anything with. , uh, we would go on trail rides. I would care for her and, you know, groom her and stuff. And so, um, yeah, later when I went to university, uh, I didn’t have a horse I could call my own, but then after university I could. And then I got Snoopy, my Iberian horse, and later on I got a ovarian.

Unfortunately, he has passed last year and because all my life. Horses were such a big focus of mine when, when I started working as a hypnotist. Um, it, it kind of came natural to work with Thes as well because there are so many pedestrians who get afraid of riding after a while. Maybe because they had a back bad accident or something happened, the horse bolted or spooked and, um, yeah, they just became afraid.

And so, yeah, I started working with equestrians, not only leisure riders, but professional riders as well. And I usually help them with their fear, but also, um, I help them get better. in, in riding. So improve their seed and their aids. Just improve their communication with the horse and just feel more comfortable, more at ease, more com, confident in their riding.

Really. Well, there’s something very interesting inside of that, which is, you know, so often the new hypnotist. Is looking at the stuff that you know, everyone else talks about, whether it’s the more obvious categories of quitting smoking, losing weight, overcoming a fear, and there’s something really, really amazing to be modeled in your story, which is that you started with an audience that you were already familiar with.

You looked at a group that you already had rapport and knowledge inside of, and I was curious to ask, you know, in the early days of doing hypnosis, was that the main focus? Were you doing more of the other, let’s say, standard, fair along the way too? Yeah, I was, um, I was always focusing on both. So I, I had an office in Hanover where people would come and see me.

and at first, and in Germany, I wasn’t at that time licensed as a therapist. Now I am, and I’ve been for many years. But when I started I was only allowed to do, you know, smoking cessations, weight loss, um, stuff like that. But it soon was that people came to me, mostly women who were abused and traumatized.

So I focused. a lot on, um, trauma and anxiety once I was a therapist or had that license. So that was then the one main, um, pillar of my business. And the other one was and it tends to shift once in a while. So right now I’d say it’s probably 50 50. , yeah. In this point of time, sometimes it’s, it’s more, sometimes it’s less just, um, it also depends on what season we are in, whether there are many equestrians trying to boost their performance for the next comp.

Petition season. Really? , . Uh, so, well you hinted at something here that I’m curious to hear, which is that, you know, inside of any community, there’s always some level of knowledge, some level of even expertise or even common issue that the outside people may not necessarily know of. Uh, for those that perhaps are not familiar with some of the issues that he handed at this before, but some of the issues that.

Someone in that world would reach out to a hypnotist to address? Like what are some of those common situations that pop up? Fear. Absolutely. Riding fear. I’d say this is the number one issue, so that they, for instance, people call me and say, you know, I love to go entree rights, and now I’m just so afraid I.

at home and I think, oh, today would be such an awesome day. And then I look out my window and I see it’s windy. And whenever it’s windy my horse sp so easily and then I just end up lunging him. And I love to go on trail rides and it’s there anything you can do to help me , get back in the shuttle and hit the trails.

Yeah, so this is, this is really. Does it tend to be that kind of pattern where, you know, the, I I would simplify it and say there’s two types of fears. One type is that I’m afraid this is going to happen. It never really has, but it might. Yeah, absolutely. And then the other type of fear is, I’m afraid this is gonna happen because it has before and I don’t want it to happen.

Absolutely. How, how much of it is that anticipatory versus that? No, something happened and there’s a good reason why I would say with people who come see me and seven, uh, 70% I’d. Um, they had something happen and 30% haven’t. Yeah. Does that change the process for you in any way? No, not really. Yeah, that’s interesting.

How so? It, because I feel there’s always a cause for fear. . And typically when you work with an equestrian, that cause has nothing to do with horses and doesn’t have anything to do with riding. Um, I mean, most of the people who come see me, they say, I know exactly what caused this. I have this. Whatever, uh, riot.

And this happened and I fell down and I broke my arm, and after that, I just couldn’t get on anymore. So that’s what caused it. But when we, um, when we do hypnosis, we usually find something else in that childhood. Some, you know, some issue where they had a sense of not being in control anymore. Of not feeling, feeling safe or over.

with something or being left alone. And, uh, usually I, I always fear, uh, or I always think with fear, um, it’s like you have this huge pot that gets killed with, uh, emotions and incidents and at one point this part is just filled and it spills over and that’s when the fear really starts and kicks in. But the pod got filled.

Started to feel way, way earlier. Yeah. And so because of that, it doesn’t really change my process much. The process is different depending on whether I work with a professional writer, someone who earns her, his, their livelihood with writing or with someone who’s passion as courses in writing. But you know, , they work in a different area.

Yeah. So then that’s interesting too that, you know, it’s not quite the thing, it’s still back to the perception, the expectation. Uh, what, what kind of approaches have you found to be effective in addressing that with, with writing fi I say there’s, it depends also on what kind of horse they, uh, they ride or what kind of horse they own.

Uh, so there are horses. Don’t give a damn about the emotions of their owner . And that really is, I have a cat like that. Yeah, . But it’s the best situation for this, you know, if the, if the horse really doesn’t care whether the rider is, uh, afraid. And just walks on mm-hmm. , uh, without being bothered, it’s, it’s so much easier than, say you have a horse that is very sensitive to , to the human’s emotions and gets afraid as well, and gets spooky and does weird stuff, which gives the ho um, the human so much more reason to be afraid.

So I would say, um, we’d have a different process then as. Right. Um, because what I, what I do and what I feel makes me a bit special in this kind of work is I’m also a writing instructor and I’m an equine osteopath. So I, if I work with a leisure rider, um, I have a look at the horse. Um, evaluate them, check whether they have any physical issues, whether their, uh, equipment fits right.

Um, most of the time there are issues because when you have a human sitting on top of you, , who is afraid and tenses up all the time, uh, you. , you might tense up too, and you get maybe muscle ache or, uh, if people sit in the saddle in a weird way, the saddle changes. And so that could hurt the horse. And so I look into that and then I work with, um, human and the horse first on the ground, and then while they’re riding, and I hypnotize them while they’re riding.

And, um, I mean, for them they don’t, they don’t know. That they are being hypnotized. Because I mean, most people have that perception of hypnosis that you sit in an office and you close your eyes and you relax . Yeah, but I mean, you and I, we know it can work in different ways. , well, I go back to the example of here is a physical therapist who went through a training that I was doing one time.

And he was the one going. Okay. So it may not formally be hypnosis, but there’s something extremely hypnotic that’s going on because they’re doing a repetitive series of actions, right. I’m helping them to relax and I’m talking them through the experience, so as he put it, mm-hmm. as a physical therapist, if it was happening.

Organically Anyway, he might as well learn how to do it on purpose, which kind of brings me to a question which I feel the need to give a disclaimer to before I ask it. Okay. And it’s the disclaimer kind of more in the context of a story. Which is to this day, we just celebrated our 14th wedding anniversary.

And my wife when asked, congratulations, thank you. And people will go, did he hypnotize you to fall in love with you? And for a while the response was the, oh, that’s so original. That’s so amazing. You thought of that question. No one’s ever thought to ask me that. You’re so funny. Yeah. Which was always in a very loving way that they got the point that it was playful.

Sarcasm. Yeah. . So, um, I think you’ll understand why I told that story when I now. So, wait, are you hypnotizing the horse ? Yeah. I kind of am . Oh, nice. Thank you. . How, how would you define that? I feel when we have, uh, an animal in our lives and we care a lot for that animal and we build a connection to that animal, and you can use that connection to make changes within the animal, within the behavior.

The emotions, we are able to make it feel more secure. And, um, I sometimes use this and I also, I have a very calming presence when I’m with horses. So most horses get really relaxed when I’m there. It’s just like, this sounds a bit woo woo . It’s like building a sphere of relaxation. And confidence and everyone within that fear, uh, sphere can feel that

No, I love that. And you know, I, what comes to mind is a time where I had to express to parents when they would bring their child into what was my office when I was in Virginia. And it only took one time for this to happen, for me to go, we need a thing for that. So this doesn’t occur again because. It was the child being brought in with mom, dad, and the siblings.

Mm-hmm. . And the phrase was, well, your eight year old son doesn’t know what an intervention is, but he knows what it feels like. Oh yeah. So, you know, unless there’s a specific childcare concern, there’s a reason why, and I understand these things happen. It’s gonna be a much more positive experience if it’s one parent with the kid.

Yeah. And you know, I know that we’re about to, I’m sure, talk about. Everything you do is not just with horses, uh, that this is now spilled over to female entrepreneurs, athletes, and other, you know, different categories. And it’s how, you know, we, and, and if it’s a sales perspective, the audience can smell that feeling of hunger.

The person on the other side of that sales call can sense a feeling of desperation, if that’s what’s, yeah. Underneath it there, there’s. Nuance around public speaking and performance that I began to understand because in the former theater career, the worst job you could do was, you know, the one-off day job of they’d pay you when you were done with it, but to run auditions.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. , because it is, Every perception of like these reality competition talent shows of the judges or criticized. No, it is so painful to be in the audience and watch the person bomb. You’re like, and their job would be easier if everyone came in and everyone was amazing. So I, I get what you’re saying about, it’s not just the suggestion format that you and I would know of the words and the specific language patterns.

It’s the energy that we create that’s often much more absolutely influential than anything. Absolutely. Absolut. I agree percent. So then tell me about how, you know in the early days here you were doing some of the standard fair of hypnosis, which Yes, in Germany there’s specific laws. You then got that licensing moving out of just stop smoking to then other things.

At what point did you start to work with, let’s say I, I think the right word here is performance. Not just because your website is perform ability llc.com links in the show [email protected]. Yet this category though, of performance, can you talk a bit about, let’s say the expansion of not just the equestrian people, but now, well, how, how would you define performance, first of all, like what falls into that?

Well, of course when we talk about competition, uh, performing to the best of your abilities and maybe even outperform yourself, I feel as an athlete, when you are not part of a team, you tend to try better than your competitors, but, I feel you wanna also outperform yourself. So you wanna get better times.

You wanna become better in your techniques, you wanna become more confident, you want to overcome self-doubt. Uh, you wanna be able to deal with. Setbacks because you might have them. Um, whether it’s like mental issues, um, of just being afraid, you can become afraid of being successful, , uh, or you can have an injury that prevents you from training if you are an athlete, for instance, or I mean, being an entrepreneur with the past two years of this.

there was just so much going on where you needed to have mental strength Yes. To, to go forward in doing what you’re doing and becoming better and you know, not being overburdened with everything. . And so I would say performance for me is, um, is a big part of things. Is there a specific category that’s been, let’s say, responding more to what you do than others?

Yes, absolutely. I would say fear is a big thing. Whether it’s, uh, you know, being afraid of. Getting back into, I, I work, I work with an Oprah singer, and because of the pandemic, well, many, many things got canceled. She, she didn’t perform, she sang for herself and she was working with a friend of hers and they were recording CDs and stuff like that.

But, you know, um, she wasn’t able to perform in front of an audience and then she. A gig and well, a big city in Europe. , I don’t wanna say too much. I mean, she probably will never hear this, but, um, I, I’m very confident. Uh, I’m very well, I usually don’t name my clients. Um, I, I really appreciate that, and that was a big thing of when I was in the Washington DC area.

It only took the, my opposite of that was the time that I asked, when did these sleeping problems begin? Do you remember a timeframe where it started? And he then told me, and apparently the worst way to build rapport was what I then responded with. I’m like, oh, I read that article. That was you. So yeah, I

I appreciate the ambiguity. That’s there. Yes. So she got a rather important, uh, role. Let’s, let’s leave it at that. Yeah. . Yeah, absolutely. She got a very important role and, uh, she was just afraid she couldn’t, she couldn’t do it because she said the, the last year there was nothing. I mean, this, uh, it was last year.

I, I was working with her and, um, she. I, I, I have never had stage tried. And now whenever I think about that I have to perform in front of this big audience on this big stage, um, I, I feel I can’t do it. And so, I mean, I work with her and she was very happy with her performance. So I think both of us did good.

I feel she did more good than I did because I feel it’s my, it’s my clients. Success really. I just help them get there. But yeah, so I feel fear is a real big thing. Whether it’s, um, stage fried performance, fear, whether it’s, um, I’m, I’m afraid to be successful, what will happen then? What will my friends say?

My family, sometimes it’s something that’s subconscious, I just don’t get where I wanna go. Um, with athletes, fear of an injury. I might have one already, and now they’re afraid to do this specific technique. I’d be curious to ask because you know, as I mentioned before, that many of the people in this audience, I’ve put into the category of people who already do hypnosis.

who want to do hypnosis better, and I, I love a quote that you had said a moment ago that was helping people to the best of their abilities or better that mm-hmm. , it’s really that sort of internal competition with themselves and Right. What I’d say is the audience that tends to listen to this program are often people who, you know, are substantially trained, and yet it’s the confidence to get out there.

begin. So I’d be curious just to kind of get a bit of a, I’m imagining, of course, everything’s always customized to the person who’s in front of you. Um, of course though, then of course, again, course the more we do it, the more we find our very reliable patterns. Like what are some of the techniques that’ll find its way into the process working with your clients.

Um, I, I love parts of therapy. I love regression. Um, so, um, , I, I do a lot of this, um, find causes, find knots to loosen those nus . And it’s also a lot of, well, my, my client talks a lot while, while he or she is in hope notices. Yeah. Uh, we talk about the issue. . And once I come to the point where I, I always say, and today you came with a problem and both of us know what kind of problem that is.

And I, I think you are some, your subconscious knows it even better than both of us. And while I’m talking about this and just saying there is a problem, I know that you have feelings connected to this problem. And while I’m saying, It can be that you can feel that emotion somewhere in your body, and then we’ll go from there and see where it leads us.

So it depends really on whether they had a traumatic incident in the past. I, I would put it in a way, I, I don’t wanna re-traumatize people and I feel when you put a lot of buffers on it, you can do. Techniques in a very safe way. I like to help acquire. Can you expand on that, uh, buffer concept? I, I really like that because for every sort of the infighting that’s often inside of our world, if this technique is good, this technique is bad.

If you don’t use this one, you’re not to get results. Um, yeah, which, You’ve heard my catchphrase on this. Never, ever use absolutes. And of course we realize that’s an absolute no. And with the right framing, I mean the playful one is that someone once said yes. Well, it’s inappropriate though to use hypnotic phenomenon to bring a stranger into your office and lock their eyes shut and tell them they can’t open it.

I’m like, well, yeah, it’s weird if you phrase it that way, so don’t freeze it that way, . Yeah. Let me give you an opportunity to discover the power of your own. And have some fun with this in a moment, and then they’re different framing. How, how do you, how do you do that buffer then? Yeah. First of all, I don’t talk about, I don’t, I don’t specifically name the problem once.

Mm-hmm. , once they’re in the trans, I just say the problem, yes. I say the emotion or the feeling that’s connected to the problem and they, wherever that might lead us sometimes when, when I. , there’s dread in the air of what might come up. For, for instance, I don’t, you don’t have to re, if you use regression for instance, you don’t have to regress to a certain, uh, to a certain incident.

You can just regress to a general timeframe. Um, and what I like doing is, uh, when I, when I sense that they’re dreading something, that this could come up and I don’t want it to come up or they don’t want it to come up, I could for. Say something like, a picture of you will pop into your mind, uh, a picture of a time when this started.

Nice. And it’s just a picture. Yeah. And then we go from there. And, uh, we never talk about stuff that happened. Only, only you know, there’s a part of you that has this problem and let’s see whoever that part is and how we can help that. Everybody go back and listen to that last 60 seconds because there’s

I’m a, I’m a huge fan. The whole work smart philosophy is, you know, about how do we often break away from tradition That just became tradition for the sake of tradition. And I’ve heard some massively convoluted ways to do regression in a dissociated way. Mm-hmm. and, um, no, imagine a picture done. Mm-hmm.

nice. . Oh, thank you. We can either say that’s being stolen or that’s being modeled immediately. Uh, there. Part of the story You mentioned though, about the opera singer, which is that, uh, and I think this is , we, we took a small pause from doing episodes of this program is there’s a, uh, website relaunch that’s any day now.

Can you hear me shrugging? Because there’s a lot of moving pieces to pull it off. And also it did kind of briefly become the, let’s still talk about. Results after the pandemic, uh mm-hmm. . I’m like, no, that’s not what the show is. Let’s just hit a pause for a month and then come back strong. Uh, yet there’s a major pivot in the works in your life.

And, uh, yeah, you may have the bragging rights. Uh, here we are on, uh, I’ve got the number here. Um, it only took us until episode number 391. Uh, for me to invite someone to already be on the show a second time before we even recorded the first one. Congrats , which is this migration from Germany. No, it’s cuz I said, you know, hey, let’s make this more about what is there right now as opposed to what’s coming.

So it’s not the audience going, oh, I want that cuz. Coming soon and we’ll have you on, but can you talk us through this big migration asks the guy who threw everything away to then move a thousand miles away himself and wants to hear it for my benefit too. . Oh,

So, I mean, you know, I grew up in the US and um, when we moved back to Germany, Uh, it was horrible for me, because there I was, I had lived in a desert and I was used to, you know, uh, a warm and dry climate and I was thrown into rainy green Germany and I just, I don’t know, I kind of felt like an outsider.

Mm-hmm. in school and, I mean, I had friends of course, but I never felt German. . I always felt like an American kid being thrown into another country. and expected to be a good German and that was, it was difficult for me. And from that time on, it was always, yeah, in, in my future, I would say to move back to the us.

But unfortunately I’m a German citizen. Mm-hmm. . So I, I say unfortunately because, uh, well I can’t just come to the US and, uh, there’s a lot of move here and, uh, work. I’m just not allowed to do that. Uh, if I were my sister, it would be easy because she’s an American citizen. I’m not. So now, right now, uh, we are selling our.

And then I’m gonna invest a bit more into my company and then probably next year, I think that’s, that’s very probable. Sometime mid next year, I hope we will be on a. Plane and have one way ticket. Mm-hmm. . Nice. Which you are. We’re recording and you’re in Colorado at the moment as we’re recording this, but that’s more of a temporary trip, right?

Yeah, yeah, it is. That’s why the audio’s so good is that it doesn’t have the travel through the tubes of the internet, so, uh, so far, right? That’s right. Don’t know how this all works. What, so, but what’s really something to be admired in that is it’s, correct me on this, it’s a bit more of. Personal lifestyle goal, and I, I, I meet so many people, I got pushback when I did my move because it’s often that in this directly relates over to the work that we do.

People hold onto the story as to what was before. Yeah. Uh, well what about this? Well, what about that? And I’ve picked up in the time that I’ve known you this real look, I’ll figure it. Kind of attitude. Yeah. Right. . Yeah, . Does that, uh, is that going to change sort of the balance of, let’s say how you spend your time?

Because I know you also do trainings, you also see clients, you also have a life outside of your business in this migration. Are you looking at also sort of, you know, pivoting that balance too? Well, I feel, I mean, you know, if you wanna move to another country and build a life there probably that balance.

And the first. Month will shift more. Working more because you just need to, right? Yeah. Yeah. So, so I feel in the beginning we will probably work our asses off . Yeah. Sorry for everybody who save saw for every, yeah. For everybody who saw my series of, Hey, I’m doing this in the corner of this Airbnb that we rented, um, where I, my greatest asset cuz we bounced around as we moved my greatest.

Was not just my skillset and knowledge it, and, you know, business identity. It was the hundred foot ethernet cable because every rental had horrible internet. And I would run . I developed this is a skillset to call the, uh, message the owner of the Airbnb and just go call your cable company, increase the internet to the highest speed they can do without replacing the equipment.

I will pay you the difference. And oh, The three of them all did it and just went, don’t worry about it. One of them came out and completely switched it from cable internet to fiber optic and uh Oh gosh, . And that was tell the story of the guy who bought an office and then shut everything down to then be the due hypnosis anywhere guy.

But also that was, Hey, this is expensive to pull off. Oh, yeah. , I can’t imagine . Yeah. Which I am on your site right now, which again, I’m gonna link to Perform Ability LLC over in the show [email protected]. I’d be curious about to hear your personal take on this thing that people classify as Imposter syndrome.

Imposter syndrome, because Oh, it’s become popular now to think you’re full of it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It’s trending. Absolutely. And you will find that, uh, term on my website as well. Of course. Well, first of all, I’d. And now I have to kind of dive into something different. Neuro divergency. Yes. I feel most neuro divergent people because they feel like other, um, kind of suffer from imposter syndrome.

Because they feel of their life wherever they are, whatever they’re doing, not maybe whatever they’re doing, they may have certain spots and areas within their life where they feel comfortable, but in, I would say probably in the biggest areas of their life. They just feel like an alien and feel being different.

And how can you be confident in yourself and your abilities, uh, when you feel not being part of society, for instance, when you feel other people want you to be something. Or someone else. And because many athletes are gifted, in a way, it can be also with their cognitive abilities or people with D h D or on the spectrum.

They can outperform themselves and other people, but, but often they feel like not being part of society for. Of just being different in school and university at the workplace. And so I feel within neuro divergent folks, imposter syndrome is a big thing and I feel if you look at entrepreneurs for instance, what people are those?

you will find many people with D h D. Mm-hmm who pick up self-employed. Instead of working for other people, gifted people. And so I think it’s, um, a play is a vital role in being an entrepreneur or being self-employed that you might deal with self-doubt. That is a fascinating way of defining it. And without getting into.

Detail, everybody stay tuned for episode number 397 coming out on December 29th. I’ll keep it brief on that. No, but that way of, I heard a version of this conversation. inside of, you know that, that way of looking at it, which is no, that I’m in this category because it’s correct, that I don’t quite fit in.

It’s correct. That I Right. Do things differently than other people. Yeah. It’s the sort of side note that there’s a friend of mine in the real estate world that he runs basically four different levels of. Coaching program. Yeah. And to hear him define the different levels, not through the filters of financial success, but through the filters of more so the, you know, the sort of hero’s journey.

Yeah. Along the way that there’s something incredibly lonely that can occur at a level of success. And I heard the subtext of that was embracing the fact that we don’t quite fit in. Absolutely. And thinking differently. And you know, I, I see this in you as much as others have said this of me at times to go, I couldn’t do that.

Mm-hmm. , oh, Jason’s doing this, doing this. Oh, and he’s launching another podcast. I couldn’t do that. It’s like, well, here’s the pieces that have to be in order to then pull that off. Granted, we just pretended one of the other shows never existed and just went, Nope, we’re just moving on . But there’s that sort of mindset around that.

Oh, that’s gonna keep me up tonight. And I love that. Thank you for sharing that. So that, that’s a way of defining it though. How would you define the way out of it or. Through it. Mm-hmm. , I’m not sure the right action verb for that question. Mm-hmm. , it’s a journey. I’d definitely say it’s a journey and for certain people it might just take a small moment in time to get there.

And for other people it’s a much longer journey and every journey is different, but maybe for some people, Knowing whether they fit into the neuro divergent categories. For instance, if you just know, oh, uh, okay, maybe, maybe I’m, uh, I’m doing things different because I have adhd, or just because my mind needs to work on thousand different things all the time and I just can focus on this one thing that everyone wants me to focus on and I just can’t, and this is not because I’m too stupid.

Right, and it’s not the, it’s cause my brain works this way. It’s that same thing back to the beginning of this conversation as to what is it that I always crack the joke in a horrible way that either the word enthusiast is the most inspiring word or the most alarming word. Um, yet it is for anything, um, yeah.

To look at the world and go, Nope, I’m doing my own thing. I’m launching my business. The brain has to work differently. Yeah. To develop the passion and the skillset to become as world class. And yes, hypnotize the horse, Nicole. Um, yeah. The brain has to work differently and it’s, it’s always. , you know, skill sets and it’s only, I’ll give a preview of this end of the year episode.

It’s the time that we had a bunch of external family things all shake down around the same time and like nothing. Mm-hmm. directly us and like a lot of things and everything’s good now yet I had the moment to go, you know what, here’s a friend of mine who was going through a major spinal reconstructive surgery and insisted he and his wife go through marriage counseling.

And she’s like, oh, is everything okay? He goes, yeah, that’s why we’re gonna do it. Everything is okay. But during this surgery and recovery, I’m not going to be myself. Yeah. So let’s have a place that we can deal with things before they get, you know, a spiral into something worse. And so all these, that’s so smart.

It was amazing. And all of us were so based on that, I’m like, Hey, here’s all the stuff that went down. Let me go talk to a therapist for a couple of appointments, which leads to this moment where in passing, I’m talking with her and I say, Well, the way that I look at it sometimes it’s only diagnosable if it’s not serving you.

Mm-hmm. . And she pauses and goes, what was that? I go, it’s only diagnosable if it’s not serving you. And she like puts down her notebook and she’s like, Jason, I needed to hear that today. Thank you. I’m like, my insurance is paying for every bit of this. If you want to switch seats today, we can if you want.

She’s like, Let’s just talk

I wanna thank you so much for what I’m assuming is a vacation, taking time outta your day to, to record with us here for what very obviously is gonna be a, a part one of this, uh, bigger conversation. Aside from shifting time zones and traveling and planning and visas, oh my, what’s the best way for people to find out more about you?

What’s the best way for them to get in contact with you? on my website, there’s a contact form, and of course, well, uh, everyone can find me on Facebook, on LinkedIn. I’m not very active on LinkedIn, but on Facebook I am. So that’s a good way to get in contact with me, I’d say. Excellent. And we’ll put notes, uh, links to everything in the show notes [email protected].

Nicole, thanks so much for joining. Before we wrap this up, any, thank you so much for having me. Oh, absolutely. I appreciate this. Any final thoughts for the listeners? Just believe in yourself. Whether other people believe in you or not, it doesn’t matter. Just believe in yourself. You can do this.

I’m Jason Ladette, and thank you once again for joining us on this program. The best thing you can do to help us to continue to grow and reach even more people, to spread this awareness around exactly how we as hypnotists cannot just survive, but also thrive no matter the. No matter who’s in political power, no matter whatever stuff people are saying, that presents this idea that this has to be hard.

That’s sort of the, uh, we’ll call it 3.0 version of Work Smart Hypnosis. It’s about resiliency within yourself. It’s about representing hypnosis professionally. And I can quote it no better than saying, these are the words of Steve Martin, how to become so good. They can’t ignore you. Best way for you to help us continue to reach new people is to share this on your social media streams, to leave your reviews online anywhere.

You can leave reviews for podcasts and hey, let’s keep this conversation going. Reach out to Nicole. You can see all of her contact details in the show. At work smart hypnosis.com and I’d love to hang out with you. Check out work smart hypnosis live.com. This is the training that combines evidence-based hypnosis along with phenomenon based change.

Your client’s issue is kinesthetic. No matter how they describe it, they can feel that something needs to change within them. Therefore, doesn’t it make sense to create a hypnotic experience where they can feel the change taking place and just completely crush the old nonsense of, I felt relaxed. I guess something happened that alongside, this is why I bring Dr.

Richard Nagar on board for the event. Two, it’s the thing that should not have to be trending as the new sexy thing in our. Evidenced based hypnosis. If you want to get referrals, if you want to be taken seriously, I am convict. The problem with the hypnotic industry has nothing to do with the public perception.

There are too many of you holding onto the old story that people are cautious around it. People are afraid of it. And again, thank you Steve Martin. Someone connect me with him. We’ll get him on the show. He might be available, become so good, they can’t ignore you. That is the mechanism that needs to be there.

How did I get back to that? Talking about Richard non gard and evidence-based hypnosis. No, but if you’re gonna be taken serious, The best thing that we can do is for us to be out there with our own personal platforms, our own megaphones. Speaking about how amazing this work is, how do you get there? You do a hypnotic process that creates change.

Funny how that works. And you speak about it in a professional way where people take notice because indeed you become so good they can’t ignore you. We’d love to help you out with that. Check out the details, watch the entire video tour at work smart hypnosis live.com. Thanks for listening to the Work Smart Hypnosis [email protected].