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This is the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast, session number 396. Jennifer Lawrence on Grounded Hypnosis. Welcome to the Work Smart Hypnosis Podcast with Jason Linett, your professional resource for hypnosis training and outstanding business success. Here’s your host, Jason Linett. This is going to be an episode that I know is gonna have some massive takeaways and epiphanies from many of you out there in this audience.
And I’ve known Jennifer for a number of years now, uh, through some of the different communities that we both hang out inside of. She. Recently went through our work Smart Hypnosis live online training event and someone who I’ve seen doing some incredible things, whether it’s her own specific approach to a more improvisational style of hypnosis, uh, real dash of creativity, which may somehow align with our shared theatrical background, but as well, someone who really just kind of.
In terms of how we start to make ourselves known in the 21st century as business owners, as hypnotists, and one of the bigger takeaways of this conversation as actual humans. , you know, as actually people that others can then align with and find something in common with, and then be inspired, of course, to then make use of our services.
So you’re about to hear a conversation that takes the journey of. An origin of working as a doula, then getting into the experience of resolving a personal issue with hypnosis, learning hypnosis, and one of my favorite tendencies is always that experience of, oh, I was already doing this. But now I know how to do it on purpose, and a really interesting conversation around, again, improv and the ways that we can start to utilize whatever is going on inside of our sessions.
There’s a fascinating conversation around what it means to become an expert. At your own problem as well as, again, an exploration as to exactly how we become known. And what we kind of need to have is the undercurrent, is the story inside of ourselves as we start to grow our businesses. And yes, Put ourselves out there.
Plus, for any of you out there who maybe perhaps at some point has struggled or is struggling with, what the heck do you actually name your company? There was a conversation that I’ve been waiting for years to have, uh, which we captured in this episode all about where the name of her company came.
mostly because her name is also the shared name. She said after the recording that she just licensed it out to the other Jennifer Lawrence of like all the Hungry Games, movies and so forth. Uh, yet the journey as to where the name of her company came from and what that means to her, which for those of you that follow what I’ve been up to in the last, you know, five or six weeks, On the other side of my world, the non hypnosis training, I do the, the business consulting side, which does have hypnotic tendencies and brings over some of a hypnotic audience.
Yet it was built for a more expansive crowd. We went through, I wouldn’t say an identity crisis, but more a little bit of a shifting of the front facing terms because why we listen to the. And we saw that’s what people responded to the most and there’s some really interesting insights as to how one, um, don’t use the name she uses cuz it’s hers.
And also two though, how we can look at something that serves a meaning far beyond. Far beyond even what we originally intended it to be. So this is a conversation with some amazing moments inside of it, really excited for you to interact. We’ll put links in the show notes [email protected].
This is episode number 396. Jennifer Lawrence is spelled. Exactly as you would assume. Uh, that’s where we’ll put links to her website, grounded Hypnosis, as well as the social media channels that you hear us both talk about, to see what she’s up to and how she amplifies the message of what she does, which while you’re there, head over to Work Smart Hypnosis Live.
Dot com And I share this because there is a moment in the conversation where I go, talk to me about this amazing thing that you said. And indirectly she kind of said, I got that from you. Uh, we do our hypnosis training and certification program in a way that draws an interesting crowd. Half of the people, as you might expect, are brand new to hypnosis, and it’s like the first official training that they’re due.
That’s what it’s built for. Also folks like Jennifer, people who were already substantially trained and even working and seeing clients already yet saw whether it was me or the fact that I often bring on Richard Nagar as a co-train for the event. A specific style, a specific approach, and it’s not necessarily having to be, there’s a quick, funny anecdote here.
I had someone one time who signed up for the event, but goes, don’t tell anyone I’m signing up. Okay. It’s up to you. Why? Oh, because the person I trained with, I don’t want them seeing that I’m taking your class. I go, well, it’s entirely your decision to do that. However, they’re actually someone too who attended my event, even as they were already working and even training others.
This is the bigger pivot that needs to occur inside of our industry. The fact that. We don’t necessarily have to police people for continuing educational hours. Uh, some organizations do that we don’t with the I C B C H, not because it’s a free for all, no. But instead the people who are passionate about this work are gonna keep learning no matter what.
It’s just going to happen. Um, and if you’re really having to police people on the counting of ours, It might relate to a bigger issue elsewhere that needs to be resolved, strongly held opinion. I will defend there. Uh, so yeah, when we do the work Smart Hypnosis live and online, it’s a live and online certification training, even for those that are not perhaps seeking certification.
My approach to hypnotic phenomenon based change and conversational, I. Richard’s background with, uh, evidence-based hypnosis helping to really take you out of that frustrated hypnotist category, or, hey, expand your toolbox inside of your hypnotic toolkit. Once again, my nickname in college. So check out the details of that event.
Watch the entire video tour at the top of the page at Work Smart Hypnosis. Dot com. And with that, let’s dive in. Here we go. Session number 396, Jennifer Lawrence on Grounded Hypnosis.
The very first introduction to hypnosis to me, wasn’t registered to me as hypnosis. So I have three kids of my own. And after my second child, that birth was crazy. It was only 20. It ended up, the midwife didn’t get there in time. Yeah, right. And I was like, what birth can be this easy? Like I just woke up and then tried to have a shower and there was a baby kind of thing.
And I thought, if birth can be like this, I need to support other women to take away the fear of birth and to empower them to know that they can do this. So I became a doula, which is an emotional, physical, informational support person during labor. So we don’t do anything. Medical, but were there for the, the woman and her partner, whoever is at the birth.
And in that situation, I would get them to focus. I would give them suggestions. I would guide their attention to certain places in their body to have certain outcomes that they wanted. And so that was really my first experience of. Of this magical thing that we do. And later, fast forward, that was 2004, I became a doula.
So fast forward 12 years, I was exposed to someone who, um, helped me with texture issues, . I always had texture issues growing up, and they did this thing called hypnosis to help me be able to wear jeans. To fabrics or just any pants. Yeah. And so I was like, Hey, wait a minute. This thing that you just did on me is awfully familiar.
And so then I was like, I was at a point in my life where I was looking to switch when I was doing, I had just separated from my, at the time, husband and, um, got fired slash quit from his company . So I, I needed something else to do for my gig, if you will. And, uh, this just came at the perfect time and it was something that I already had.
a connection with. So, um, I did my first training with Carl Smith in 2016, and I think it was like six days later I was on the street practicing street hypnosis and, and just running with it. Yeah, it was awesome. So then, , you may have hinted at this already, yet the work of mm-hmm. , you know, as the doula, and then eventually here came hypnosis, then came learning it.
Are there specific moments that kind of, you know, stuck out to you as in the, oh, I already know how to do this. I’ve already been doing this, but now I have the system to do it on purpose? Yeah. I think when shit technical term gets real in a session, when people get really emotional in a session. . Um, that is the time when the doula ha kind of slides back in place because that is a place that I’m really comfortable guiding people through when the emotions come up and, and, you know, maybe tears start flowing or they start feeling this feeling of like, I don’t wanna do this.
Or, um, that’s, that’s when it’s like, yes, okay, I got this. Like, that is the most powerful skill that I gained. Yeah. Especially where, I mean, This is part of my story as to why I explain why I moved everything I do online, which is that well, mm-hmm. , it used to be you’d have to like drive to the office, deal with parking, and then basically role play the issue.
And if we can do the session right remotely, it means we can actually deal with, if it’s like, let’s use weight loss, we can deal with some of the associations. Mm-hmm. and triggers that are there. In the environment where you want to create the change. But yeah, I’d imagine the experience of assisting through birth.
Um, , there’s no role playing . Yep. No not so much. There’s a little in the beginning, you know, like, you could do this, but they don’t remember anything from it. , you know, it’s, it’s. Yeah. Kind of pointless in some regards, but, um, yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s amazing. And the other hat that I’ve worn for quite some time is, um, improv, right?
So I, I love to do improv. I love to, you know, get out on a stage and make stuff up on the fly. And that also is an amazing skill for hypnotists. Like if something changes or you get a reaction that you didn’t think you were gonna get, or, you know, they filled out their intake form. A and then they show up to the session with wanting help with B.
Being able to like switch gears and just go with it is really, really fun. Where did the improv background come from? Liking to be on a, in the spotlight and not wanting to prep
I’m really honest. Um, the, I’ve always loved to, to play things larger than life. So in high school I was involved in theater. I’m a theater kid like you, Jason, and um, and it was really fun. Yeah, there was a lot of stress. I still have dreams, like reoccurring dreams about like forgetting my scripts and stuff and I don’t know.
It’s playful, it’s fun. It’s like you can do be whatever you want when you’re on stage. Um, not playing by someone else’s script or rules. Right. So that’s, I don’t know, it’s just super fun. And, and that’s, I love what I do, Jason, cuz I get to do everything that’s important to me and everything that lightens me up all in one career.
Yeah. I mean, we. You know, attempt to quote the classic Charles Tets line of deal with what emerges. But really it comes back to the core, you know? Yes. And kind of philosophy, which, yeah, it’s one of the favorite questions in a training sometimes. Like, what if this happens? Well, you deal with it , what if this happens?
Well, then you’ve been given something and it’s your task to then, you know, make use of it. So other than the birthing experience, I’m curious if a story comes to mind where, you know, something kind. Occurred or came about during a session, which was the, oh, I couldn’t have prepared for this one. Mm-hmm. , I think it was last week as we were doing a session and.
It’s this really cool technique that I learned, um, online. It was just a YouTube video that I kind of stumbled across from another hypnotist, and I kind of took the principle of that and morphed it into something a little bit more me. And so this, this situation, you get the person to kind of associate into the event, you know, see what’s going on, what they’re feeling, get the, you know, all that kind of fun stuff.
And then, and then you do some breathing stuff with them and. . She got to the point where the emotion of the event was gone and she was looking at the event. It was further away. She couldn’t hear anything, but she could just see her dad’s position in that memory. And his dad had his like leg, um, slung over the arm of the chair and he is just leaning back against the back arm, over the back, you know, super casual, like, ah, nothing’s bothering me.
I’m all good. And, and she’s like, I hate the way he’s sitting there. I hate it. It makes me so mad. This is, this is my response. This is how I respond in my life. I try to act like everything’s cool and casual, and I just used that moment to, to create a release of that and a letting go of that, and it turned into this like, Visually, almost like an exorcism.
Um, I, I love seeing the unconscious mind released, like visually is so cool and so powerful. And she just started like shaking and releasing and like, I don’t wanna do this. And, and that doula hat came on. I’m like, you’ve got this, you can do it. And, uh, she just went in there and, and you, I could see in that moment how her whole being shifted and it.
It was this new thing, this new spin that I put on this technique that I like to use often. But it was like, I’m like, in my head, I’m like, let’s just try this. Let’s just see what happens. And it was. It was so cool, Jason. It was so awesome. And, and that going with the flow, um, dealing with that different thing that came up, turned into be the most powerful gift, one of the most powerful sessions I think I’ve ever witnessed.
Wow. And what’s really cool in that is that, you know, many of us say this is that the practitioner eventually, eventually transcends the technique. And the technique is there. Yes. To have a foundation, yes. To have something to get the process begun. , but it’s always what they bring to the experience that then makes it what they needed.
Mm-hmm. . Totally really learning, like, um, I’ve been thinking about this and, you know, sometimes , so in my house I’m doing all my one-on-one sessions online as well. And in my house the shower is right above my office and so the water drips. Down the wall and I have this wonderful microphone that picks up, you know, all the nuances, including that shower sound, dripping down the wall.
Right. And I, you know, I have adult children who work at different times of the day and they need to get outta the house and have a shower. And, um, so sometimes I hear the water dripping down the wall, and I’m like, okay. Instead of like trying to, you know, like make sounds over top of it and just allowing that to flow through you, like water.
Down cleanse, you know, like just utilizing that like. There’s so many people. I think, you know, and I’ve heard this in trainings, well what if this happens, like you said, and, and what if that sound happens? And we, I used to, when I was in the office, get kind of nervous about that. But it’s actually utilizing those sounds and those environmental cues is just like utilizing the cues that are our clients give us in this session.
Right? It’s yes. And in everything. Well, that also brings. Something you and I perhaps can nerd out on a little too much, so let’s careful our on this one. No, but it’s the, the fact that for the actor, the game of, yeah, something happens unexpectedly and the more amateur actor will try to play the game of, if I ignore that, so will everyone else and I’ll Yeah.
Keep it as brief as I can. , there’s no, I’m censoring myself here now. Uh, there’s, okay, I just have to go here. It was the whitest production of Anton Checkoffs, three sisters. Anyone had ever seen, there’s like 40 people in that play. All of them are like pale and nearly translucent. And the , the actor drops a book and walks off the set and like, we could not call the.
For the next scene change cuz the book was standing in the way of like the scenery and how things would, there was like the stage would drop down and then scenery would come up and I’m hearing over headset. , Eric, you have to go out there and get the book. And he goes, oh, I’m not, we can’t, we’re gonna have to hold the show you have.
So suddenly the guy who was at one point, um, football player, dreadlocks and does not look like the cast, walks out, gets the book. It was the biggest applause I had ever heard. , that’s not the thing. The whole audience is there. Is that book supposed to be there? Is that book and they’re being distracted. So you’re exactly right.
Something happens. We have to comment on it or just teach the damn actor, uh, pick it up, look at it, shrug, put it on the table, and then we don’t have to send, right. It’s part of why I burned out . So that what would be fair, uh, nowadays, you know, from the experience of. , the skillset is the doula to then your own change in hypnosis to then becoming the hypnotist.
Is there a specific passion these days on the, the kinds of clients that you work with? Yeah, there is totally. So I find with me, like whatever I’m going through at the time kind of influenced it. Like whatever I’m going through personally at the time influences what excites me as far as my practic. and, um, I grew up super duper expert at being anxious, um, where I would have a panic attack about not having a panic attack.
Um, and so I did that really, really well. And, um, so working with women specifically, um, in my one-to-one sessions is kind of a passion of mine, empowering them. Men are great. I, you know, I don’t have anything against them, but I think there’s lots of great men hypnotists out there. Um, so for me, I am, I’m really focusing on women with anxiety and when women with trauma, so whether it’s a history of abuse, whether it’s a really crappy relationship that they’re trying to get their self, you know, back their feet back underneath them, that’s kind of where I’m at as far as one-to-one clients.
But I’m really, I’m starting this new thing in my area and, and for myself, and it’s really exciting. It’s really cool. I get bored really fast and I’ve never stuck with something for a long amount of time. So the fact that I’m still, you know, doing this hypnosis thing six years later, six plus years later is awesome.
And the fact that I get to morph it and, and bring in different aspects, that excite me is really cool. So right now I’m, I’m introducing sound bass when I’m calling Htic Sound Bass. So yeah, it’s a, it’s a group setting. It’s in person, which I kind of miss doing stuff in person. Um, I still really dig online one-to-one, like you said, like I don’t, I don’t wanna do the driving somewhere and just using more of my day than I need to.
Um, but for the sound, the hypnotic sound bass, it’s really cool because it’s, it brings in another element of music. Which I’ve always kind of dabbled in and loved, and it brings in that togetherness, that closeness and hypnosis that I can sprinkle in and, and the instruments I get to play, kind of, you know, depending on what I feel called to play.
And it’s so powerful. I just did a session last night and it’s so great to connect in person again, and it’s so great to have. Other thing to keep myself interested and excited about and, and explore. Cuz hypnosis is really, there’s so many different modalities. There’s so many different techniques.
There’s so many different ways of sprinkling and weaving it together with other things that it’s just so versatile and so powerful in so many different ways. So yeah, that was a really, well, if you, if you heard any clicking, I tend to be over here taking some notes. Sometimes it’s like, oh, nice. There’s one thing of like, oh, there’s the whole episode right there.
Let’s just go into that I, I’d kind of preframe this by something I heard Ron Eslinger say years ago. Someone asked like, what’s the most effective hypnotic induction? And he goes, the one you’re the most confident doing. That’s it. Right? Don’t let anyone try to tell you that one’s good and one’s not. It’s the one you’re the most confident doing and there’s something to be said about, you know, what you said there about, you know, the stuff that you’re currently excited about or the things that kind of align with where you.
in your own journey. And I share a bit of a personal update here, which is that I, yes, I see clients, I do the training. I have a different consulting business on top of the hypnosis company, or off to the side of the hypnosis company. Yet as I see clients , it’s given me a little bit more permission to be, let’s say, appropriately selective on the things that I wanna work on.
And yeah, when we can align with the journey of the client, Then we can help them get there even better. And sometimes that has turned into, you know what, if I had that issue, I’d be calling Kris and Marie Bowman. Um, cuz I know that’s what she does. How about I connect you with her? Or, Hey, you know what, for that issue I’d be calling Dan CandE and like, here’s what I mostly focus on.
You’re calling for that issue and there’s something mm-hmm. really admirable about. as in, you know, figuring out that, oh, let’s just call it zone of genius here, Jennifer. Let’s just go for that. Right, . Yeah, exactly. As you operate in your own best zone of genius there, what, I’ll ask this in a way to clarify.
It’s not about what does this do that the hypnosis does not. Instead it’s the, yeah. What is it that the sound is adding to it that you see as benefiting the. . I think that the sound adds a couple different things. And first of all, when we think of music, you know, it’s, it’s an emotional motivator. It moves us.
You know, we can cry from a song. We can get excited. You know, if you hear your favorite song, come on. You know, for me, , the song that I want played at my funeral is Sing, sing. , it’s like a, you know, big band. Yeah. Kind of big, big thing. A big song. And, um, it gets me excited. It gets me pumped. So adding the music really allows the emotions to come up and when the emotions come up, you know, when we feel it, we can release it.
It allows, it allows another layer of release. It allows another layer that the client can access their emotions through. And maybe those are emotions that, um, , they’re hesitant to bring up in a session. You know, like if, if we’re trying to get them to, to rate their sads and they’re like, oh, I, I can’t, I can’t feel that emotion.
Music is another way to like, just bring it. Mm-hmm. , you know, just bring that emotion up on their behalf, you know. Um, and it also allows a physical release. You know, when, when I’m playing, you know, the crystal singing bowls or I have this amazing jambe. , which is just so powerful. And, um, the vibration of those instruments allow a physical release as well.
So I, I find it just, it ties together the experience with more, um, of the whole self. Yeah. I’m trying to remember where the research was and as I now say, research, clearly I’m about to transition and talk about the singer Adele. Um, That of course in his last year that there were articles coming out about, you know, the psychology around music and like, even one of the articles talked about the theme song from Rocky, um, that it’s not mm-hmm.
Just because we, I, and it’s how some of these songs. Have a life beyond the movie that, you know mm-hmm. , that even the Chariots of Fire, the running in slow motion thing, no one nowadays has really seen that movie yet, the structure of the music Right. Creates an emotion. And someone did this whole study on Adele’s music as to, even as I’m saying it, there’s the goosebumps.
Yeah. Uh, , yes. It’s all, what’s the fancy term here? When you align different synesthesia? Yes. When you’re aligning different sensory states from one to the other, um, is it mm-hmm. specific music that you’re finding, or is it more kind of, again, back to the improv nature, dealing with what comes up in that, in that environment?
Yeah, it’s definitely, for me at this point, it’s dealing with what comes up in that environment, so I kind of advertise that no two hypnotics sound bass are the same because. , uh, it, it is totally dependent on who’s there. Like last night I have, um, this steel tongue drum. I think I played four notes and I was like, no, not for tonight,
Like, it’s just not, not hitting it. And um, so it, yeah, it is absolutely about trusting yourself. And I think this is a big thing that I hear a lot and read a lot on the forms is like, well, what, what if this or, or that, you know, the. We need to trust ourselves as hypnotist, trust that we’ll respond in a way that’s needed in the session.
So whether that’s using sound bass or using, you know, just the traditional way of doing it. Um, so I just trust myself that. I’m gonna reach for the right instrument at that time and, and I’m gonna feel the room. And it was funny cuz someone last night after the, the session said, you know, like you were talking at one point and I was like, okay, enough talking.
And then you literally stopped talking . And I was like, sweet. And then she’s like, and then there was another part where you’re drumming and I’m like, okay, I’m tired of the drum and you stopped drumming. So she’s like, you’re right. You really did that intuitively. So I think that. Where the thing comes, because otherwise it’s like a script, right?
And you’re, you’re just kind of doing this preconceived thing that you think they need, but maybe isn’t exactly what’s needed. So for me, it’s, it’s all about improvising. Now, there’s something you said a few moments ago that I have to share the anecdote around this first, which is, this is my favorite part of hypnosis convention.
Someone does a demo and they. Who wants to, you know, do a demo of this. Okay, what’s the issue? And then the response from the yes hypnotist. But someone sitting into the client role goes, oh, I have really bad anxiety around driving. And then the person running the workshop goes, oh good. Which is not really what we’re supposed to say.
Thank you. You get my humor, but it’s the, oh good. We have something to work on. Client calls up. Yeah. Yeah. I’m terrified to go outdoors. Awesome. Um, I feel great of that though. You did say I used to be an expert at being anxious. I did that really well. Can can you expand on that? Uh, like how well I was that what, what the intent is when you say that because I, I do the same thing as in talk about the issue as an expertise, as a skillset.
I’m curious to hear your thoughts. Well, I, I did this training with this chap, uh, . What’s about a time, uh, may have been you, Jason, actually. Um, and I just find that, yeah, when you put it in that, like, that spin on it, like I did something really awesome. It just gives them. A, it’s humorous, right? Like people think it’s hilarious.
Um, so it takes some of the, the intensity away from the situation and B you know, it gives ’em the encouragement that if they did that well, they can do something else well. Yeah. And um, I I, when you said that in the sessions, um, in the training years ago, I was like that. Yes. I love that because it gives them, It empowers them.
It empowers them to know that like, Hey, a, things can shift and B, you can do something really well. Good for you. Or it’s that the same skillset just to, now that I’m realizing, oh wait, that was me. Oh, cool. . Yeah. Although it’s, you know, derivative of a derivative of another thing. Um, but it’s that if you look at something as a skillset, not that the entire thing is, you know, necessarily good perception is everything, but you know, it’s, yeah.
Here’s the person. If a member of the teaching example, they did not ever quote, forget to have the fear of flying. Like there wasn’t the, no, this trip’s important. I’m just gonna deal. No, it was like, mm-hmm. to the full phobic qua quality. They couldn’t even get near the airport yet. They were so, like, so here’s a part of your life that, it’s a skillset set just being used in the wrong place.
You know, you always remember to feel this way. Uh, what’s another part of life that if we just, you know, rather than cut and paste, but if we just kind of drag that skill over somewhere else, what’s somewhere else that you’d like to always remember to feel a specific way? It put the whole conversation on the outcome.
I’m curious though, if that kind of informs how you would run, let’s say an intake, a conversation with the client. To kind of, let’s say, unpack how they get into that situation in the first place. Yeah, for sure. I find, you know, a lot of, a lot of the trainings, I like to do a call with them initially before we agree to work together because like you said before, having a skillset or having um, what you like to work on is really important.
So I’ll do an intake form and, and if it’s not something that really lights me up, , you know, here’s the name of five other amazing hypnotists in the area, that if you’d wanna work with them, they’d be a great fit for you. So in that intake form or conversation, yeah, I like to, I like to find out what they’re doing well.
Mm-hmm. , you know, even if it’s not in the right area, it’s like that round peg still has value, just not when you’re trying to fit it into the square hole. Right. So, You know, I really like to do a lot of explaining and, and kind of setting the stage, if you will, in that call, on that intake form so that I can utilize that.
And I have this like, transmute is kind of my, one of my words that, oh, you’re just whipped out here. Napoleon Hill me right now. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Sweet. Um, but you know, like, you know that rotten banana. Is, is smelly and stinky and attracting fruit flies, which are annoying when it’s on your kitchen’s counter.
But that rotten banana in your garden decomposing and nourishing your plants is perfect. Right? So it’s like you just need to slide it into the right situation. It’s, it’s just, you have the tools, right? For me, everything I do is about like, you can do this. Sometimes we just need to rearrange things, right?
Sometimes we just need to. Put that, like those curtains that are on a wall that doesn’t have a window, just readjust it to the place where the, the window is. Right. It’s just readjusting, rearranging things because you have everything you need already. Nice, nice. I’d love to chat on something that. I’ve admired that you do exceptionally well, which is the way that you’ve made use of social media to really establish not just the what you do, but also the who you are and how there’s a real natural welcoming into your world and what you represent in such a way that it, you know, will occasionally make an offer but isn’t, you know, doing.
Too many people do of bashing people over the head with the buy my thing. Sign up now. Can you, can you chat about, you know, that sort of journey of becoming that content creator? Oh, thank you Jason. I just thank you for that acknowledgement. First of all, I really appreciate that. Um, I got on social media pretty quickly once I started my, um, granted hypnosis business.
And initially I feel like I tried to draw from this. Vague place of like, well, what should I tell people? And, and I, I didn’t always love it, and I didn’t get the, the group or the audience that I had wanted, that I wanted to work with. And so I had to do a little re-shifting and, and I wanted to be real, like for me.
Uh, it’s all about being real. Like be it who the f you are , right? Don’t try to, don’t try to put on Jason’s purple striped shirt and you know, like, just, just be who you are because that’s going to really attract who you wanna work with, right? That’s gonna attract the right people. And so for me, you know, I did a surrogacy pregnancy a couple months.
actually, it took like two years. The whole process was way longer than I thought, and it brought a lot of stuff up for me, and it, and it was a, a weird journey. And it’s a journey that, you know, as soon as I, I mention it to people, people are like, oh my, tell me everything , because I don’t know anyone who’s done it or, you know, and so I thought, what a, what a neat way to, to share that and to, to bring people into my world a little bit, um, so that they know that I’m not just this robot or this person who.
Is pompous with all of the answers. You know, like it’s also a way to say like, yeah, I was anxious, you know, having this someone else’s baby inside of me. First of all, people even ancestral trauma and stuff like that. That’s, that to me experience is real, but that’s probably for another podcast. Um, you know, but the caring someone else’s future inside of you.
big responsibility, , and, and it can carry some weight with it. And so there was nights where I was super anxious doing that thing that I used to do really well. But the difference was this time I had tools that I, that I didn’t have before. And so it was exciting. Just kind of say, Hey guys, it’s okay to to feel this way.
Even I feel this way, but there’s these amazing things that you can do to help you feel better. So I find some, not that I wanna be like, I’m so great and I have all the answers, but that I’m real and I made it through and let’s make it through together. So like, again, it goes back to empowering and community for me, those are so important and chances are if I’m dealing with it, someone else is dealing with it.
So again, just recently I posted so. And you know, it was relevant to me and someone commented underneath like, oh, thank you. I needed to hear this today. And, and I get that a lot. And I think it’s just this, first of all, if you’re not posting on social media, how do people know what you’re doing? Yeah. Or what you’re about.
So there’s that. And then second of all, like if you’re just. Presenting these, you know, textbook, kind of flip the page. Okay. Today’s topic is this. They’re not gonna know who they’re working with. They’re not gonna be drawn to you. And I find having a really genuine connection with the people you work with, for me anyway, is really important cuz it just allows the work to settle in a little bit deeper.
It, it allows that trust, it allows them, Kind of buy into you and the process. And if you’re being genuine and you’re sharing real things, it allows them to feel a little bit com more comfortable and, and be drawn to you and what you offer without saying , Hey, bye 10, please. You know? Well, that’s why, I mean, there’s a thing that I do that may be a bit of a time suck.
But I think it’s important that I run different Facebook groups. I run my own communities, and here’s the person who thinks they’re doing it right and joins the group. And immediately, this is why on one of the communities, we have to approve your posts , because you already know where I’m going, , which is the first post, and there’s like no value and it’s just click here to sign up for this thing.
And like I actually take time out of my. to message them and go, I’m asking you a question, not dis scold you yet it’s genuine. Has this worked for you? Because here’s what works better. Yeah. Instead, you know, establish value. Become a part of the community. And I wrote down some notes as you were saying, everything that you said of, uh, what is it?
Uh, be an actual human, uh, . Yeah. That’s a nice coat. Thanks. We’ll get that unboarded on a pillow. Uh, it’s awesome. Thank you. It’s, it’s also. . There’s something amazing inside of what you just said, that it doesn’t always have to be linear. It’s not that no, Jennifer is completely changing her business to work with people who also are serving as a surrogate.
Though you could, I know someone now. Mm-hmm. , uh, it’s more so that yeah, people are gonna find something poetic out of that and bring it back to themselves, and this is why. We actually, even as small business owners, have a greater opportunity to be successful despite where some people would go, oh, but who am I to do this?
No, this famous person on TV has a book about this. Yeah. But they may not align with that person’s specific story. And it’s what you represent to them and why they then come into the world. And I’m assuming the Sound bath, the the sound project, what’s, what’s it called? Hypnotic sound bad that I’m imagining that’s bringing in a new audience, yet it’s also bringing in people who have already done other things with you.
Yeah, you nailed it. It’s so true because last night I would say, I think a third of the pe no, maybe a quarter of the people were my clients. Right. Um, before, and they brought other people, and then other people were just people who found me on social media and was like, I’ve been waning for this. In this area and as soon as I saw this, I jumped on it because it is really, really new in my area.
And I’m kind of like, I’m in a suburbia um, area. And so stuff like that is a little bit weird. for a lot of people still. I’m flashing back to doing state hypnosis and what they used to call tall grass towns. And the time I was at a gas station and the guy goes, oh, cool to see something’s in. Not, not someone doing an assembly at the high school.
No. Something’s in town. Right? Yeah. Ottawa’s a bigger town though. A school, you’re a something . Yeah, it’s true. . It’s, it is and and there’s a couple pockets and there are some people who are doing it really well, but they’re doing it really well from their background. Right. And I also feel like part of my evolution, if you will, is.
This hypnotic sound bath experience is also a way to connect to themselves spiritually without being like naked in a field with a flower crown on her heads, you know, kind of drumming. Which, if that’s your thing to, that’s 23 Project , right? Yeah. To, yeah, exactly. Too cold now. Just snow today. Why moved to Florida?
Sorry, you were sharing. I get it. No, I get that . Um, but it. . It allows, yeah, it allows this beautiful blending slash introduction. Right. And there was a little while where I kind of took a step back from social media, cuz I did get that. Like, oh, who cares? You know? And me personally, I was in a place where I’m like, if I post anything, it’s just gonna be me throwing.
Uh, my frustration into the, oops, sorry. Into the social media ether. And so I thought, you know, now it’s not the time, but, um, I, if I’m doing this new thing and I’m just showing up in a building and telling, you know, the people I’ve already worked with, I would’ve lost three quarters of the people in attendance last night.
Right. So it’s like by, by sharing who I am, what I’m about, and, and at some points what I offer, it allows people to reach into new places that maybe they’re curious about, or maybe they have this like pulling or this like need within them, but they’re not sure. How or where to, to to get it met. Um, interesting side point.
I grew up as a Jehovah’s Witness, and so I was one of those people that you would hide from . You know, I would knock on the door and, and people say like, oh, I don’t, you know, I don’t wanna be converted. Or like, why do you even do that? And, and our intent, I’m no longer one. Um, but our intent for going door to door was to find the people who were sitting their house going mm-hmm.
like, what is the point? . And so now we don’t have to go door to door advertising what we do or talking about what we do. We can post things on social media and, and we all know that, you know, we’re on social media scrolling all the time. And, and if you put something out there just sharing where you are and what you’re experiencing, chances are someone’s gonna be on the other side.
I have the goosebumps now, Jason. Someone’s gonna be on the other side. Oh, I really needed that. You know, whether it’s just like you’ve got this, or whether it’s an offering of an event, or offering of a product, or a workbook or a course. if you, if you don’t share, and it can be viewed as, you know, instead of being like, oh, someone else is doing it.
It can just be this, this loving gesture that you’re, you’re reaching your arms out to see who needs to grab hold, and especially when we can become comfortable with, sometimes it just needs to land for one person. It just needs to be that one thing that someone. That day. Um, this has been a conversation I’ve been wanting to capture on here.
Um, I, one more thing I wanna chat with you about, uh, which is Yeah, of course. I believe mm-hmm. , technically you were Jennifer Lawrence before the other, Jennifer Lawrence got famous. Thank you. Yeah. . I am. There you go. The og, which does bring up the fact of what we name our businesses. And you are grounded Hypnosis, which Grounded hypnosis.com.
Yes. Which, uh, is very purple by the way. Nicely done. Um, yes. And just thank you. Curious what the journey was of defining that name. I know a lot of people like to use their name in their business, um, which is great. But for me, trees have always kind of been my. , this sounds so cliche and cheesy , but they’re always my grounding, right?
Like I, you know, I think of, you know, people who go on a cruise for their vacation and, and I can’t do it because I, I won’t have trees nearby. Um, they’re, they’re what brings me back to me, back to like my ground, my source. My ground zero, if you will. I don’t Was that the right context? I hope it is. But you had had a different context prior.
We’ll, keep going. Yeah. . Yeah, it’s true. This podcast was recorded in 1999. Um, . But this, it, it brings me, When I think of something grounding it, it allows you to put roots in, it allows you to grow strong. It allows you to be connected to, to source, if you will, mother Earth, if you will. Um, the place that we are right now, it, it allows you to really kind of dig in and, and be stronger and empower yourself.
So, you know, I, I toyed around with a lot of things with kind of that theme and then Grounded Hypnosis came up and I was just, . That’s amazing. Like that’s, that is really me. And, and the coolest thing, Jason, is when someone. , you know, calls me up and says, I found you online, and the name Grounded Hypnosis, just, that’s what I want.
I wanna be grounded. It just, it blows my mind and excites me to no end when it, when it resonates with my clients as well. Nice. It is perfectly, perfectly plugged your website in a very organic way, but I, I gave you the, in on that one. Uh, . Yeah. Thank you. This was, this was great. It was awesome having you on here.
We’ll put links over in the show notes. Work smart hypnosis.com on the, uh, different social media channels linking directly over to the website. N now everyone has anchored into their brains. Um, phenomenal having you on here. Before we wrap this up, any final thoughts for the listeners out there? First of all, thank you for having me on Jason.
Like what an honor. When you, when you sent me the message and I was just like, oh, this is so exciting. And the newbies that are listening to you that I, I know, just drink by the couples of Jason’s wealth of knowledge, . Um, You’ve got this, like you can do it. Just don’t try to be Jason. Don’t try to be, you know, any of the other amazing people in the profession.
Just be you. Just connect to who you are. Be curious about what it is you have to offer, and really honor what resonates with you, what excites you, like I don’t. You know, I don’t wanna work with weight release clients. That’s not my thing. And it’s okay for it not to be your thing. And, and a lot of people I know find, feel the pressure to find their niche or niche as some people say.
Um, but it’ll, it’ll come to you, it’ll unfold and, and, you know, do a few sessions with, with whatever it is. And then allow yourself to have those experiences alongside your client. Um, because this is. Being curious and exploring and, and even if you wanna try something new, if you don’t have a hundred thousand people at your first event, it allows you the space to grow and just show up and, and modify it and change things as things go along.
So just jump in and do it, and. And do it as a human, as you , you know, be honest in your journey and, and it’ll feel really good and you’ll have so much fun.
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